The Cube?!

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hey guys i've heard alot of refrences to the cube....I am assuming its the method style came up with...but my question is how does it work....anyone out here that has information on the dynamics of the cube please let me know....thnx
 

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"I am gonna give you a simple picture, with just three things in it: the sky, the horizon, and the desert, and I'll ask you to fill in a few things in this landscape. Use your imagination in fixing any and all the details. Use a pencil and paper if you think that'll help."

"In the desert, imagine a cube. What does it look like? What is it made of? Where is it located? What state is it in?"

"Now imagine a ladder. What is it made of? How big is it? How many rungs? Where is it located in relation to the the cube?"

"Imagine some flowers. How many are they? What kind? Where are they located in relation to the cube and the ladder?"

"And now imagine a horse. What kind of horse is it? What color? What size? What is it doing? Where in the scenery is it located, in relation to the earlier three things?"

"And finally, there's a storm in this landscape. Where is it in relation to the other things inthe scenery? Which way is it proceeding? What kind of storm is it?"

INTERPRETATION:
The Cube: represents the woman's conception of herself.
The Ladder: ...friends (and family in some cases).
The Flowers: ...Children
The Horse: ...Her lover
The Storm: ...Troubles in life.

You can use the above as you wish, but here are more details:

INTERPRETING THE CUBE

1. THE CUBE:

Represents the woman's conception of herself. A huge cube covering
most of the scenery (Field of View or FOV) means she's got an inflated
ego, a sense of high self-importance. Other features of the cube could
mean:

Tiny cube => feels small, insignificant, ignored, modest
Cube resting on the ground => generally has a firm foothold on reality
Cube far away in the distance => Feels left behind by life
Cube flying in the air or levitated => daydreamer, imaginative but
unrealistic
Cube partly above the horizon line => ambitious
Cube below the horizon => not very ambitious
Cube resting on its edge => metastable life, perhaps?
Cube made of solid material => good sense of self-worth, well-grounded
personality
Cube made of gold => Thinks of herself as extremely precious
Cube made of glass or transparent cube => Considers herself pure
Cube full of slimy stuff => Hates herself completely
Cube hollow inside => feels hollow, unfulfilled in the extreme
[interesting example: one woman know very well imagined the Rubic's
cube, being twisted and turned by a child. I was not surprised because
she has a sever persecution complex and total paranoia, considers
everyone else stupid and childish (has a holier-than-thou mentality),
feels attacked by the world, and is an emotional basketcase]

2. THE LADDER:

Represents her close social support structure (friends; family in some
cases).
Long ladder with many rungs => big social circle, has many friends,
outgoing personality, sociable
Ladder made of some odd material => feels her friends are weird, very
different from normal people
Ladder with few rungs => has few close friends
Ladder in a less than good condition => believes people around her are
****ed up
Ladder far away from the cube => Does not let people get too close to
herself; keeps aloof, has a hard shell around herself
Ladder leaning against cube => Feels she does a lot of things for her
friends, supports them more than they support her, feels she has some
codependent people around her
Ladder on top of cube => Feels her friends/family are overbearing,
feels oppressed by them
Ladder much bigger than cube => feels small in her social circleLadder supporting cube (like, ladder under the cube) => feels her
close associates support her in her accomplishments
Strong ladder => is surrounded by strong people, feels secure in them
Burned up ladder => Feels surrounded by totally ****ed up people who
are ruining themselves

3. THE FLOWERS:

Represent the place of children in her life.

Number of flowers => children she has or wants to have, or has/wants
to have around (See * below)
Flowers close to cube => Feels very close to the children she has or
will have
Flowers far away => Does not want children
Flowers blooming well => Feels positive about her children's lives
Flowers messed up => is surrounded by screwed up children
* Lots of flowers everywhere => Probably works with children, or would
like to; (One chick I know had this; she is a grade school teacher)
Flowers shaking in the wind => feels children in her life have
hardships
Flowers all around/over the cube => Feels overwhelmed by kids
Flowers separated from cube by the ladder => feels her friends/family
(do/will/might) interfere in her relationship with her children
Beautiful flowers (roses, poppy etc) => Finds children very beautiful

4. THE HORSE:

Represents her thoughts about her lover (or the lover she thinks she
wants or will have).

Strong, large horse => Wants a protective, strong man
Color of horse => Possibly the race of the lover she wants (the
teacher chick mentioned above has a "latin thing" - her horse was
brown)
Horse close to the cube => Wants the lover to be very close to her
emotionally and physically
Horse well separated from cube => Is reserved about opening up
completely to lovers
Horse licking/sniffing the cube => Imagines/wishes she's being doted
on
Small, submissive horse => Wants a lover she can dominate
Wild horse => wants a guy who is not tamed and will not be tamed
Tethered horse => Wants to keep him very restrained/restricted
Horse stomping on the cube => Has been or feels extremely abused by
lovers
Horse destroying the flowers => Feels the lover will not be good
towards her children (single moms probably have this thing more often)
Horse messing with the ladder => Conflict between her lover and her
friends
Horse far away or walking away => Feels abandoned
Horse separated from flowers by the cube => feels she will have to
take care of the children and manage her lover's relationship with
them
Weak horse => envisions being (stuck?) with a wimp
[example: one chick I know had a horse running around in a confined
arena. She is a controlling, limit-setting type chick who likes to
watch her man react to her experiments with his emotions/behavior.]

5. THE STORM:

Represents her ideas about troubles in life.

Storm in the distance => Troubles are not overwhelming her presently
Storm approaching => Fears crises in future
Storm receding => Has had troubles recently but feels they are over
Huge, dominant storm => Feels her life is in deep ****
Storm in the distance, passing away affecting none of the other four
things in the scenery => Feels her life is relatively trouble-free,
has few problems around in her life.
Small storm => Feels secure about problems she will face
 

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Thank you for that great summary of the cube Fash! Great! I've always found it hard to remember the analyzing part :p So i just make **** up..hehe

Now my cube will improve! Thx.
 

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nice analysis Fash..this is very helpful thanks...perhaps we can get this posted as an article?...neways nj
 

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Im just starting to use this routine after reading The Game. I've been practicing on friends mostly but tried it on a HB7 and I got a great reaction from her.

But, I find it hard to intepret that I havet read or seen before. For example I did the routine on one of my guy friends and he said he was riding the horse. I couldn't come up with an explanation for that.

What abut when the cube is cear and see through? You say it means that person considers themselves pure, but I originally thought it meant that that person thought they could be easily read?
 

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Originally posted by LiveStrong
hey guys i've heard alot of refrences to the cube....
So has every HB7 and higher.

Routines are okay for newbies, but don't become dependent on them.
 

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Personally, I'm against canned stuff like the cube, but I also realize that some newbies might need them to get the ball rolling.

They should be viewed as "training wheels" and discarded as soon as they've served their purpose.
 

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Just out of curiosity, have you guys read the game?

Whats so bad about routines? Seems to have worked well with the mPUAs. Style described in hsi book how he felt routines and canned openers were shallow or hollow, like stabalizers when learning how to ride a bike but he eventually came to the conclusion that they were the bike, or just part of the game.

Newbies lack so much confidence that routines like the cube would probably be hard for them to even attempt on a HB. Surely if they pulled a good routine off and sparked some sort of interest from the girl, then they are on the winning path, are they not?
 

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Contrary to what you guys may think, most girls have NEVER heard about the cube. It's a pretty big and extensive routine, and very few actually run this routine out full.

It's a good way to DHV and to connect with the girl. Girls love this **** for some reason. Never only rely on canned material, but just use them for fun and because they work! When something works, no matter how canned it is, it's stupid not to use it. Even if you can achive the same result without the routine, it's a neat shortcut :D
 

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Originally posted by \O/
Girls love this **** for some reason.
They want to understand. They want somebody else to tell them what they are like.

Amazingly girls try and tell the truth and sound as best as possible when doing these tests. They look at them as confidence boosters, as should you... take a look at a few of them on some quiz sites and imagine you are a scientists from a thousand years in the future, "why was this popular"...

The reason they are so good for routines is because the girls USE this stuff all the time. Using it on them conveys so many deep messages that it is beyond funny. You could sit there and meditate on this and you'd have to go yogi and get some good laughing exercises going down.

So in essence, it is not a 'canned' line. A canned line is one that is corny because it is so old. Like prepackaged BS. This is an opinion opener. There are canned opinion openers now because people are too lazy to make one on their own... Ever try the exercises DD gives to you on how to react to a woman when you first speak to her? Write down your three biggest fears, and how you would teach them not to be afraid and repeat them as your mantra?

This stuff works. 40 days is what it takes to submit something from memory to autonomous action. To turn something into a habit in your mind you MUST believe in it. Just hearing creates an impression in your mind, but that impression is easily swayed by outside forces. If you anchor the system in your mind than you can begin to create new lines on your own... they won't even be lines anymore, they will be jokes and stories and basically YOU.

They say just be yourself. They say create yourself. They say "be a MAN."

Why ***** foot around something that you know nothing about and condemn it before you have a chance to examine it deeper? It's been said a thousand times and argued repeatedly, canned lines are crutches...

Why would you ever have to use a crutch is my response.
 

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Originally posted by Derek Flint
Personally, I'm against canned stuff like the cube, but I also realize that some newbies might need them to get the ball rolling.

They should be viewed as "training wheels" and discarded as soon as they've served their purpose.
Canned material is counter-productive for newbies, IMO, because most canned lines read so badly on paper that people will think to themselves "No one would possibly be stupid enough to buy this" and/or "I'd get laughed out of the frigging bar if I tried this on anyone other than a cow."

Then, instead of approaching, the newbie just goes and tries reading more material until he finds "the perfect line" to use.

There is no good line; there is no universal secret that will make a woman wet and wanting it immediately upon hearing it (this is America, if it existed, someone would've patented it by now). Learn to be conversational, observant, and witty. Know your fluff topics, know your pop culture, and know how to get someone talking about themselves to buy time until you can focus in on something else to flesh the conversation out.
 

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LOL, that's why all of those corny pickup line websites should have a disclaimer that these are meant to be funny. Use them wisely. These won't get you laid, only you will. etcetera ad nauseum until it gets drilled into the brains of newbies.

What they don't know yet is that routines are natures of way of saying, you should try this, it's good for you. Too bad people's senses of smell don't kick in on the internet.
 

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Routines

Routines work very, very well for me. There is no reason not to use them, and if you're busted using one it's probably because your wing just used it on the same girl :)

Once movies start incorporating more of this stuff, they will soon, I'd agree that using canned material might be dangerous. Unfortunately, your own material will also be deemed canned by assumption, so it really won't matter.

If there was ever a time to get out and practice with canned material... this is the time. This stuff works wonders with many of my wings and I. Girl's take PICTURES of us. They call their friends over and introduce them. They offer phone numbers befire I ask. I refuse to roll with anyone who doesn't have a certain natural coolness, though. Many of these guys could do pretty good (and did) just on naterual playfulness and prizeability through look/personality. The routines do help, though. Just because a lot of guys couldn't make them work or had some adverse reaction does not change this. You need to be very social and have a lot of energy, IMHO. If you're boring, opening moving sets of hot gals is not going to work at all or even come close. They have no interest in boring guys, and being hot and boring will only buy you a chat with many girls.

Boring guys cannot score often. Boring guys have 0% value. It doesn't matter what they do. They are the lowest form of humanity and (if anything) seen as some dummy to give her money and watch kids while she shags fun guys with boats, parties, a powerful, cool job, or a great humor.
 

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Here in lyes the fundmental problems of routines and pickup matrixes:

They place ALL the value on HER!

It's like a hacker trying to crack the lock to her chastity belt. You code through all kinds of firewalls and passwords only to get either lambasted later or a night of meaningless sex from a loose girl.

Place the value on yourself at all times. You are the prize.
 

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Originally posted by tmpgstx
Place the value on yourself at all times. You are the prize.
Well routines kinda do that, depending on your body language and the way you used them.

You can ask the simplest of questions, and turn it around so that it seems that she is trying to qualify her self to you by her answers.

For example:

me: I have 3 questions for you. think about them carefully! First one, what do you prefare.... a warm bath or a hot shower?
her: warm bath/hot shower

It really doesnt matter what she says because I always come back with:

me: (with a very cheeky smile) mmmm interesting.

and then I either stop talking or change the subject!

This drives them crazy! They want to know what it means! They want to know the other questions...

her: tell me! tell me! i'm really curious now! i want to know what it means!
me: well, you're gonna have to earn the other two...

and then i just take it from there. i make her work for them, and so on. she will feel that she has to answer correctly, hence qualifying her self.

by the way, the other two questions are:

2. which food do you think is sexier, strawberrys, whipped cream, or chocolate sauce
3. What do you prefare your neck being kissed or your ear being nibbled on?


hopefuly, by the time you ask question 3, she will be ready for you to prove to her that neck kissing is better than ears nibbling. ;)
 

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Soundz good! In that context, can see how it works to your advantage.
 

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Prize

Part of our routines is story telling that displays high value...increasing our prizability. All of this is done with frame control which in itself DHV by showing you have a strong frame.

One of the benefits of routines is they are worked out in advance to *avoid* saying things that display low value and decrease your prizability.

As far as opening, you could do things like start drawing something crazy or wear an outrageous t-shirt to get girls to approach you, and I personally feel that takes too long and is kind of corny. I prefer to just approach, and I believe approaching isn't a low value thing since it shows you have a set of balls. Most guys don't even have a set of balls until they get 5 drinks in them.

Last, I've never heard anyone advocate you do not improve your life. There is some misguided people who seem to think that using routines somehow prevents one from working out, building wealth, and persuit of a cool job. Just the opposite, most guys I know who are good at this stuff are also strong advocates of having a cool life outside of pickup. Many of my friends do public speaking, weight lifting, dancing, and martial arts. I think the real issue here is one or two people couldn't make the material work and now they are some sort of crusade against anyone who is having success with it.
 

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Re: Prize

Originally posted by everywomanshero


As far as opening, you could do things like start drawing something crazy or wear an outrageous t-shirt to get girls to approach you, and I personally feel that takes too long and is kind of corny. I prefer to just approach, and I believe approaching isn't a low value thing since it shows you have a set of balls. Most guys don't even have a set of balls until they get 5 drinks in them.

Last, I've never heard anyone advocate you do not improve your life. There is some misguided people who seem to think that using routines somehow prevents one from working out, building wealth, and persuit of a cool job. Just the opposite, most guys I know who are good at this stuff are also strong advocates of having a cool life outside of pickup. Many of my friends do public speaking, weight lifting, dancing, and martial arts. I think the real issue here is one or two people couldn't make the material work and now they are some sort of crusade against anyone who is having success with it.
I agree. I've been busting the cube on girls this whole past weekend. i must have done it on 15 girls and like 5 guys. Every single person was engaged and interested. In a club on friday night, I did it on a HB7 from my college course after giving myself a time constraint. After finishing he cube, I told her I had to get back to my friends. Once I walked away she was just standing there flabbergasted and I heard her scuttle away to her nearby friend and start talking about it enthusiastically.

This is the first routine I've ever used and all I've had is a positive response.
 

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Nice, very nice JC. You said it yourself though, you are a better man. The thing is you are only preaching for people to stop, where are the do this insted, you'll learn the same things while being a DJ instead of a scumtard SSer?

I believe using routines and telling premade stories for DHV's, reading cheat sheets and telling old jokes are a form of exercise. Mental exercise that is.

I take everything as it comes. I can laugh at nearly everything, I live in an odd society that is surrounded by family deaths, it's strange, so the little things in life are no problem:p

Being a scum artist is just another way of looking at the world. Girls like to laugh at guys who use these lines, so when I do em, they can see a spark light inside of me. They see my lips curl, they see my eyebrow raise, and my skin get taut. They get ready for some excitement. Than I let it loose, they get all weird faced at me, their eyes bulge, they look around as though everything has changed sometimes. It's like magic... and than I tell em what I did and they punch me like they knew all along what I was doing to them.

Really though, all I've learned from it is two things.

1) Act like your interested, but she is bugging you at the moment, and your only going to talk to her in private. IE Gunwitch method. They start to get interested, wanting to know your name, what you do, why you have so many nicknames.

2) girls LOOOOVE sexual innuendo, especially when you can use logic to make it seem so innocent. Anchored logic is an inside joke, well not so much of a joke, just something the two of you know to be sex talk.

I've come to believe that it isn't blatant scum material, just another way to be sexual with the girl, and to make her look less like a wh0re.

The rest of the 'canned' lines are simple as well. I could become a teacher for a month and play childish games with the girls, they would love me as a teacher because I play the same games they play, the same way, and teach them how to play it better... Than I get out in public, and I play the same games with mature women, and it becomes nostalgic for them, annachronous seduction materials! They go bac and they remember they thought it was only a girl thing, and their minds become entranced with how such a masculine guy can possibly KNOW what a girl does when she is bored...

The reason I believe they are actually bad for the young guys is though. It does turn into SS. There is no effort putinto it. They turn into tiny RJ's believing they are the ****, listening to his cackle and believing they are supremely ****y. It all boils down to people wanting it EASY, they want things for FREEE, they don't want to WORK.

Though, to the women, if a man practices hard enough, and does the time. His crimes are forgiven, he becomes proficient at what he does. If he can live for 20 years living on the street, and be able to impress people when he wants to, I mean seriously impress, than he is accepted as good material...

AFC on the other hand, most of them rarely ever try. They believe they are being nice, they hear people say suppress your emotions, and they try to, but they supress the wrong ones, and connect with people who suffer... They become pawns to the people who work hard, it's difficult to explain.

RJ and DD are good people though. They teach these young boys and girls that there is more out there... You cannot hypnotize or seduce a person, if the idea was not there in the first place;)
 
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