The Catch-22 of the Pure Virgin Unicorn

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Just some observations here related to women who remain virgins versus high levels of promiscuity and the dating market...

What prompted me to write this was thinking about the situation of a woman who works at a pub in my neighborhood. She has Marylin Monroe looks, is pretty nice and sweet, social, but religious and is saving herself for marriage.

I've never seen her with a boyfriend.

And, she'll be hitting the wall in the next few years.

I'm sure the scenario is something like this: Guy asks her out, they date for a period, she says she's a virgin and wants to wait, guy thinks he can wear her down, tries/fails, either she or he initiates the break-up. Rinse, repeat.

I doubt few guys on here who complain about sluts and hos and all that expect to meet and marry a virgin. Usually, guys who would like a wife or at least a long-term commitment with a woman prefer a woman who has doled out her sexuality in a more discriminating manner. Further, few of us want a woman who has ZERO experience in the sack. That said, there is a general disdain for committing to a woman who spent her best years on the carousel.

So here we have a woman that in fact is trying to maintain a concocted religious standard and finds herself dateless, manless, and heading toward cat herding. No one wants her because who wants to wait in this day and age?

Meet a 22 year old virgin and one might conclude she has standards and the right guy will/can crack the code. But the longer she waits, say until her late 20s or early 30s, virginity because a red flag, not something guys find attractive.

She's is probably clueless about the "marriage strike", even if there are still plenty of guys wanting to couple up.

Her looks get her plenty of male attention and I'm sure the alpha dogs make her tingle, just none of them are gonna wait around in celibacy and then drop to a knee, propose, just to get at her lady bits.

So, she did (what she thinks) the "right thing" and now has standards that price her right out of the market.

What's the balance? If you met a woman in her late 20s and early 30s that was a virgin or had only 1 partner from one LTR, would that be a red flag for you? To me, that sounds like someone too hung up on dysfunctional values about sex. One big headache, I think.

Conversely, guys here will pump and dump someone with dozens of sexual partners because they feel her ability to maintain loyalty has been compromised.

So, that chaste woman with values you hope to meet may not be exactly what you think or hope she is. She's probably the mirror image of the carousel rider with a host of attendant issues and problems. She'll make you wait, work for it, puts her own vagina on a pedestal, controls the interactions, and so on. The only guys who will put up with that are beta chumps. But she "deserves the best", the alpha guys with little patience for her coquetry.

She priced herself right out of her target market, all for the sake of an invented moral tale (religion). The slut has done exactly the same, also for the sake of an invented moral tale (feminism).
 

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i'm a big believer in sex per date ratio lol.


if a girl has went on 20 dates, and ****ed 10 of them, she's probably a wh0re.

if a girl has went on 4 dates, and ****ed 3 of them, she's a ***** with less opprotunhtiies to be whorish.

if a girl went on 15 dates and ****ed NONE OF THEM lol, that's just as bad.

i want a tough nut to crack, but not an uncrackable nut. if a girl went on 20 dates she should have had sex with about 2-3 of them. anything more than 4-5 is red flag territory

you can get a feel for this type of stuff the more dates you go on IRL they all give hints / clues in the way they approach dating
 

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Last summer I met a cute chick and she turned out to be a 34 year old virgin. Hell if I know what she's looking for. And yes, she played hardball like her shıt don't stink. No text replies, cutesy smiles in person, ignorant over the phone, very hot and cold, confusing to say the least (or so I thought back then).

The only thing I have to thank her for is getting me to this site, but I digress.

Your statement of "standards that price her right out of the market" sums these pretentious, self-loving crazies up perfectly. I advise to run for the hills as fast as your legs will move you upon meeting one!

On the opposite, no one wants a cὀck snapping whóre either, so I think the answer lies, as with everything else in life: balance. Somewhere close to the middle.
 

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My question is: Is she a real virgin, and what's her definition of virginity ?

I've known a few girls saying they were virgins but was out making out with a bunch of dudes, blowing domes and having anal sex, but still consider themselves virgins...

IMHO, girls that are saving themselves for marriage is a smoke screen. These women were raised in a very strict religious family, so premarital sex is out of the question. But eventually, they either give it up when they love a guy that can get other girls or they wait, but the longer they wait, they set themselves for a big shock of reality when they realize that your first time is not exactly magical.
 

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The red flag for me would be: if she is so hot, and virginal, why isn't she married already? Either she has a good degree of personality defect, or she has unrealistic expectations for a husband.

Also possible: she believes in "the one" hat Jesus will gift wrap and hand-deliver himself, and that obviously hasn't happened yet.
 

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Good point op. But I still am not gonna be with a non virgin. Im not into women that have been defiled by other men.
 

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"just none of them are gonna wait around in celibacy and then drop to a knee, propose, just to get at her lady bits. "

Unless they, too, have similar religious and sexual standards.
You might find this surprising, but there are some men that are interested waiting for religious/ethical or even health reasons. Not many, they are definitely in the minority (just like the girl that actually waits is also in the minority).

It's all a matter of compatibility. A man with over 50 past sexual partners is not going to necessarily be compatible with someone that wants to wait for marriage. Does that mean there is something wrong with the man, his game, or whatever? No.
Does that mean there is something wrong with the girl, her standards, her religion? No.
It simply means they are not compatible with each other on that level.
 

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SamTheHobit said:
Good point op. But I still am not gonna be with a non virgin. Im not into women that have been defiled by other men.
LOL. You're 19, you still might have a chance to find an un-"defiled" woman. Few years down the road, you might have reconsider.

It's all a matter of compatibility. A man with over 50 past sexual partners is not going to necessarily be compatible with someone that wants to wait for marriage.
I disagree.

Yes, they do need to be sexually compatible for the marriage to work. That is one of the many reasons why waiting until marriage for sex is big no-no for me. BUT, if it were to happen, because she was a virgin, she would need a man who was experienced and knew what he was doing, and would be prepared for whatever it is that gets her juices flowing. Two virgins bangin in highschool is one thing, but two 28 year olds. Good luck....

Plus for this to work she will need to find a guy that is "ready to settle down", meaning he's sowed his oats, fulfilled his sexual conquests, and is ready to finally get married. He'll have to wait a while of course, but he will be fine with that because he's now ready to.....as long as she's good at B.J.'s ;)
 

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This confusion only results because for the last 100 year women have been given rights.

this was an error of drastic proportions

Women are suited only to be the property of a man like a car or a dog...they must be owned as property

to give women rights is as laughable as letting a dachshund have a drivers license.

women are meant to be virgins until the day they marry at which time they must be devoted solely to him and no other..

none of this oh she should have 3 : 1 date bang ratio nonsense..thats liberal homo talk

oh and by the way if my direct words make you cringe..you are a beta faggot :)
 

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VladPatton said:
Last summer I met a cute chick and she turned out to be a 34 year old virgin. Hell if I know what she's looking for.
I'm not surprised by this at all. A lot of women these days are asexual. It's like the womanhood is becoming polarized. On the one hand, you've got super sluts who ride the c0ck carousel, have sex with dozens if not hundreds of men, have one night stands, engage in interracial/group/anal sex, chase bad boys, etc. On the other hand, you've got women who have little or no interest in men. And the middle ground between these two extremes is quickly disappearing.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Bokanovsky said:
I'm not surprised by this at all. A lot of women these days are asexual. It's like the womanhood is becoming polarized. On the one hand, you've got super sluts who ride the c0ck carousel, have sex with dozens if not hundreds of men, have one night stands, engage in interracial/group/anal sex, chase bad boys, etc. On the other hand, you've got women who have little or no interest in men. And the middle ground between these two extremes is quickly disappearing.

It's like I just wanna sit them down at a table with a legal pad and a pen and ask these girls:"no, seriously, just tell me in plain English, what the fück are you looking for!?" so I can make a list to finally have clear insight.
 

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VladPatton said:
It's like I just wanna sit them down at a table with a legal pad and a pen and ask these girls:"no, seriously, just tell me in plain English, what the fück are you looking for!?" so I can make a list to finally have clear insight.
The woman's battle cry:

Who are we!? WOMEN!!!!

What do we want!? WE DON'T KNOW!!!

When do we want it!? NOW!!
 

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i tired with a girl like this once. i tired to kiss her and she freaked out. she asl get going on about her virginity and how she liked to keep up. i was just like.. yeah cool whatever. the boat sank ( her doing not mine) and we just left it at that.

you won't someone who has had A FEW partners so they know what's going on you know.
 

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Burroughs said:


This confusion only results because for the last 100 year women have been given rights.

this was an error of drastic proportions

Women are suited only to be the property of a man like a car or a dog...they must be owned as property

to give women rights is as laughable as letting a dachshund have a drivers license.

women are meant to be virgins until the day they marry at which time they must be devoted solely to him and no other..

none of this oh she should have 3 : 1 date bang ratio nonsense..thats liberal homo talk

oh and by the way if my direct words make you cringe..you are a beta faggot :)
well besides liking to think the person i am banging(and potentially the mother of my children) has more value than a dog or car....the only way this logic works is if men too get married at around the same time. you cant have men roam free sexually into their 20s and 30s and expect good non wh0re women to exist.

i do agree giving women rights has turned into an error of drastic proportions. that said they certainly deserve SOME rights. i am not so sure throwing them to the stone age and slavery is the answer either.

the sex population gap isnt so huge that this is possible. either both sexes partner up early and fast or neither do. there isnt a whole lot of middle ground.

its not that what you said makes me cringe more than it is the math of it doesnt add up. people on this site cant expect good LTR girls to exist while wanting them all to put out. most guys here seem to want the girl to put out on the first date or two yet cry foul that these same girls arent LTR material or really worth anything but a cheap one night stand yet these same men call themselves "real men" and its acceptable that they sleep around.

the ever great question....why can a man bang 20 girls and be a player but a woman bangs 20 men and shes a wh0re? it just doesnt add up.

the double standard cuts both ways people.

i think the real problem with relationships today is we arent paired off by age 15 anymore so you get people in their 20s and 30s in non-LTR territory but they have sexual needs. this also makes LTR look silly. mixed in with good old modern feminism and the ever famous beta males and the destruction of the family is all but a sure thing.

as the one guy said wtf is that 34 year old person waiting for? and shes not alone. i cant imagine a society of single people roaming around in such large quantities bodes well for society.
 
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