the brow beat man...

penkitten

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i would like to take this opportunity to tell you a story that recently occurred at the apartments i manage.

there is a couple that live together. he is smart enough to survive in the world, but a terrible judge when it comes to mating. she is... a weirdo.
he had previously been with a psycho, who has custody of his daughter, and he has custody of their twin boys. there is no child support exchanged and she rarely visits her boys and he has the daughter more than half of the time. him and the weirdo have one toddler together.

a few months prior, weirdo left him because she got hooked on prescription pain meds and went home to her mother with the baby. he did just fine while she was gone. but she came back, and he took her right back.

right after that, he was gone to work, i was off sick and another maintenance man was off sick, she begged the other maintenance man to help her carry something down the steps because of her bad health. a neighbor witnessed him carry the tv downstairs and leave.
she waits until the middle of the night to call my house to inform me that said maintenance man pulled her shirt and looked at her tits.
the neighbor witness says he did not.
she had a meeting with my boss, and the maintenance man and her were to have no more contact, which means that man can't fix anything in their apartment anymore.
the guy stands up for her, but doesn't believe her so he asks that the maintenance guy does not loose his job.

about four months pass. he takes a new job for better benefits and then she needs some emergency surgery and he takes off work. it is all too much for him and he has a nervous breakdown. he goes to a dr for help, they tell him he has to drive to this place for group therapy everyday for the next 30 days. he looses his job in the process.

i get a message on my myspace from her stating she left him two weeks ago because he was no longer working. blah blah blah . she is home bored and lonely because she dropped the baby off with him for the weekend.

the next day, gio and i had plans so we get a girl next door to them to watch our daughter.
when we get there to pick up our daughter at 10 pm, weirdo girl is outside cursing the guy acting very psychotic. she says he will never see the baby again.
he is brow beaten into a corner. i have to make this chick leave.
she left speeding 60 miles an hour in a 10mph zone with no license or insurance with the toddler. high on those meds.

she comes back, and he has left for the night.
she uses her key (because she is still on the lease) goes inside.
she kicks in 2 doors that he will have to pay for.
she smashes a cable box and telephone because those bills were in her name.
she throws his stuff everywhere and takes all her stuff out.
she threw the fish tank across the place.
she used windex to spray on the walls where his kids artwork and pictures are hanging.
she leaves a note stating he will never see the baby again.
she posts it on myspace along with threats.

the police say there is nothing he can do, because she is on the lease.
he asks me to take her off, but unless she willingly signs off the lease, he will need a court order from a judge.
he goes to get an emergency protection order and temporary custody order. they deny him. said he couldn't have one unless he was afraid for his life.
said the judge felt like he did not have enough proof that she couldn't take care of their child.

he came to me and cried.
he doesn't want her home, he just wants his daughter safe.
his kids are hurt and confused by her actions, and he does not have it in him to do this again.

then she came back the next night and he could not get her to leave. the police could not force her to leave and she brought the baby as bait.
the neighbors concur that she yelled all night "I DONT WANT TO LEAVE I WANNA STAY WITH YOU!"
she was still there when i got to work the next day.
he came back in the office and cried again. he said give me the paper she needs to sign so she can leave because she is too embarrassed to come in herself. he says he can't go on this way.

an hour later, she comes in and says he wants her to stay.
i give her the manager/tenant speech about damages and disturbances.
then i gave her the you ought to be ashamed of yourself speech.

he comes in the next day, head held down in shame.
i asked him what was going on, and he said i guess i got tired of the fight and just agreed she could stay because i couldn't fight anymore.
i told him the manager/tenant speech about damages and disturbances.
then i asked him what will he do next time she looses it and starts leaving and damaging crap because she got away with it?
he said if it didn't work out he was going to move out himself, then he admits that he already told her it wasn't going to work, but she wouldn't stop crying and begging.

this guy, did not even have a chance to disconnect fully from the matrix, before he got plugged back in.

i feel sorry for this brow beaten man, who actually tries hard to provide for his family, doesn't act a fool, to have gotten stuck with some one that treats him worse than a dirty sock.



moral to the story: get to know yourself first. get to know someone you date before you fall for them and start a family with them.
and once they threaten to never let you see your child again, TAKE IT TO COURT!
 

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I bet that she was all sweet and sexy when they first met and he thought that he was getting the real McCoy -

Geez, BPD women are bad news ..
 

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jophil28 said:
I bet that she was all sweet and sexy when they first met and he thought that he was getting the real McCoy -

Geez, BPD women are bad news ..
i agree with you.
 

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Good cautionary tale, Pen...

...too bad, it's for REAL, though.

I think ONE of the lessons that we need to learn from this is the danger that awaits us when we emotionally invest in someone who has a volatile personality. The nature of all emotional connections is that they are by definition "an open door to vulnerability". And as such, when we "hook ourselves up" with someone who is emotionally unstable----it is "us" who tend to be taken on Hell's Rollercoaster Ride at breakneck speed AND against our will.

It would seem that THIS type of situation is the doorway to otherwise mature people ultimately confusing "love" with what is really better defined as EMOTIONAL DEPENDENCY.

LOVE, or even just any other type of "healthy" relationship is not categorized by fear, apprehension, guilt, and the need to avoid "going it alone". If only this man could recognize this fact and find the strength to FREE himself from emotional slavery, his life would more than likely begin to get BETTER-----and probably more quickly than he right now has the faith to believe...


Peace...one day.
 

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I think he believes he's addicted to her. She gives him a ride on the emotional rollercoaster of which he won't break free. He feeds off of it like a vampire then once he's satiated (momentarily) he thinks a bit more clearly. It's a lot like hooking up with a woman and getting your boxers in a bunch then once you blow your load you're mentally clear to reflect and see that maybe she wasn't such a great idea in the first damned place.

It's a choice he's made. It's his responsibility to accept or reject this idiot.
 

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KarmaSutra said:
It's a lot like hooking up with a woman and getting your boxers in a bunch then once you blow your load you're mentally clear to reflect and see that maybe she wasn't such a great idea in the first damned place.
Yo General Karma,


This quote right here IN PARTICULAR is the state of mind I have been personally training myself to MAINTAIN in all of my interactions with women. THIS is the vantage point to which I've been trying to lead as many men as possible to for quite awhile now. But the thing is; they have to WANT to arrive there. To fight these relationship battles anyway OTHER than this is the equivalent of going to war WITHOUT the benefit of clear, trustworthy Intel.

A major component of winning the war to keep our MANHOOD intact while remaining in a relationship is MASTERING and/or CONTROLLING our OWN appetites----sexually, or whatever other category that applies. The clarity of vision that comes from acheiving periods of autonomy from the power of pusssy is CRYSTAL clear.

For the past year or so, I have become progressively better and better at this. I have found that no matter HOW GOOD the sex, the ability to either maintain, or to quickly REGAIN my critical objectivity AFTERWARDS has probably "saved my emotional life" more times than I can even keep count of.

But hell, unfortunately, I feel that few men here even KNOW what the fukk I'm even talking about.

Because only men who have already experienced THAT state of freedom and mental clarity could really value it enough to FIGHT like hell to keep it------EVEN while staring down the loaded cootchie of a mythical HB10! :rockon:


March on.
 

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I was in a relationship with a woman like this. The only thing though was that it proved to me that women can exhibit all the signs of BPD and not necessarily have it. She turned herself around after our experience and looks very happily married to the guy she met after me, she gave up most of her bad habits too.

She was very controlling though and couldn't stand to be left alone. I got plenty of the "be with me" "no, go away" and I think it was a combination of the both of us having our lives out of order at the time and living separately.
 

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it's the thought of him standing there with his head held down in shame in his decision to take her back, uttering those words of "i told her i just didn't have it in me"...
if he were my brother, i would kick his a ss.
 

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Riegs said:
I was in a relationship with a woman like this. The only thing though was that it proved to me that women can exhibit all the signs of BPD and not necessarily have it. She turned herself around after our experience and looks very happily married to the guy she met after me, she gave up most of her bad habits too.

She was very controlling though and couldn't stand to be left alone. I got plenty of the "be with me" "no, go away" and I think it was a combination of the both of us having our lives out of order at the time and living separately.
She either met a sociopath (they automatically know how to gain control over one of these and make a happy slave out of the woman) or the woman that you met was an HPD.

They are very similar to BPD's but are more high functioning in general.

A woman can be both as well.

Even though the marriage is stable for the moment it will crumble and fall eventually be it in 9 years or 19.

I used to mod a forum on Cluster B Personality Disorders and there was this guy there who married an HPD and the marriage lasted for 23 years until the nutty b!tch left him for a loser plumber because that moments fantasy told her the plumber was the man of her dreams rotflmfao.

His story probably gets my vote for the most heartbreaking on that site though.
 

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BPD sucks. It is very tough to deal with. While Nons have some issues to deal with on their own, BPDs suck their partners in. We cant judge people in relationships with BPD by normal standards on this board. Sure they are in neck deep but they got the old bait and switch pulled on them and are just realizing it.

Just listen to them if and when they post. Be happy you arent them and just try to support them. It is very tough to leave a person with BPD, whether you want to or not. Often ythey have no choice. People with BPD have attactment issues so unless they find someone else, the partner is trapped. Most of the time like in the OP they cant even do anything legally. If they try to anything the BPD will take it to the next level.

So support the posters dealing with BPD. While it may not be the macho thing to do, and while there are different websites to deal with BPD, dont turn these people away. They are reaching out for help. Their self-esteem has most likely been totally undermined by the BPD partner. Please dont make their life worse.
 

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I don't understand why you couldn't have evicted her for all the damages she did.

the police say there is nothing he can do, because she is on the lease.
he asks me to take her off, but unless she willingly signs off the lease, he will need a court order from a judge.
he goes to get an emergency protection order and temporary custody order. they deny him. said he couldn't have one unless he was afraid for his life.
said the judge felt like he did not have enough proof that she couldn't take care of their child.
This is ridiculous and total BS. If a guy did half these things he'd been arrested and they would've issued the protection order and custody order to a woman no questions asked. IS there any doubt that the whole system is anti-male biased?
 

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ketostix said:
I don't understand why you couldn't have evicted her for all the damages she did.



This is ridiculous and total BS. If a guy did half these things he'd been arrested and they would've issued the protection order and custody order to a woman no questions asked. IS there any doubt that the whole system is anti-male biased?
i can't make her sign off a lease unwillingly. in order to evict, we first fix the damages, send a bill, give them 30 days to pay, follow up with a delinquent balance letter, then send off to an attorney for him to write a letter giving the household 15 days to pay or they set a court date. which means they both would get evicted, not just her. we evict the entire household at that time.

yes, i agree he would be in jail if he did half those things.
he also said the exact same thing while crying in my office that day.
he said it is so unfair ...
i asked him why he didn't just say that yes he was afraid for his life because she is psycho and had a key and is threatening him .
the courthouse did not care to see his pictures of damages, nor did they care to see his letter saying he would never see his child again.
they kept a copy of her myspace threats, but said since she typed "you know who you are and you are gonna pay and this is not an empty threat"
that it did not specifically say his name in that sentence, there was nothing they could do.
the myspace page also states he will never see his kid again, they tell him he needs to pay an attorney for a custody battle.


can you believe he took her back?
 

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I agree with Ketostix.

btw, my new gf has bpd. I have known her for ten years; she is a friend's ex. Last night she got mad because I wanted to take a nap before going out (up all night with her last night, plus worked the next day). This triggered abandonment issues, and she then dolled herself up in slvtty attire, borrowed 20 bucks from an ex-bf (the guy is a joke), went out with her trashy friends to every trashy bar around, and made out with a gf of hers on every dance floor as guys cheered them on. In between bars, she kept calling me to tell me all of this to try and make me jealous, then when I didn't get upset, she would start crying and hang up. This morning she called me from her chick makeout buddy's bed, apologizing profusely. But still, I'm not even mad, mostly because I understand her personality disorder (a lot better than her, btw).

Why would I put up with crazy chick drama? Because it's a roller coaster, and the highs are better than the high points of a LTR with a normal, sane, and boring woman. I get bored too easily. But bpd girl is a smart hb9, the best I've ever had in bed, and most importantly, is actually fun to be around when she is not having a bpd moment. Its ups and downs, but understanding bpd makes the hard times manageable.
 
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