The alternate viewpoint

[NMMWCR]

Warning:

This site sh1ts all over the concept of NLP/SS. Just want to give everyone a chance to review a well thought out rebuttal to SS so we can all make an informed decision. Accept or reject the advice here at your own risk.

http://www.seducingwomen101.com

There is one hell of a lot of text to read there. Expect it to take several days to hit all the high points.

Oh yeah. It's written by a woman. Who is a stripper.

{edited to remove those annoying stars...}

 

[BobbDobbs]

Thanks for the link.

I just started reading. She's pretty bitter. She's constantly insulting males, including her readers. She certainly blasts anyone who disagrees with her.

So it is kind of painful sifting through all the hate looking for any useful advice. I don't know how far I'll get through it.

 

[Dell SkyCat]

Just got back from the site. It's apparent she bashes the application of NLP to seduction = SS. Not neccessarily NLP in of itself and she clearly implies that it doesn't really teach human basic's. The site is well done though. I don't think she's 'bitter' it's a pretty clever YET obvious way to get the reader's attention, particularly male attention and accomplished OTHER things as well by the 'tone' she writes. I'm surprised this didn't stand out to any of you.

 

[NMMWCR]

Dell SkyCat,

Things are not what they seem over there. Ninety percent of what is written there is done in a tone that is intended to bait you into examining your core motivations. I've found a lot of really useful stuff there.

Did you get to the part about her studying psychology in school?

To part about her being a stripper?

To the part where she explains precisely what the source of sexual compulsions are?

It's deep stuff. But make your own decisions.

 

[Dell SkyCat]

Yes! That is what I meant by 'accomplished other things too' (concerning the stuff you wrote above) when referring to the 'tone' of what is written on her site. Reading back, I suppose I could made myself more clear about that.

 

[BobbDobbs]

Sorry, but I couldn't take any more of it. Maybe I started reading in the wrong place, but it seemed to be one long rant in which she was constantly insulting every male in this sector of the universe.

Her writing style is also very dilute -- meaning about 95% of it is irrelevant ranting, and maybe only 5% is any sort of insight.

The girl needs to learn how to be more to the point and to summarize her ideas.

It is a well known tactic in the publishing business to pad tomes with wordiness to make it look like you are getting something, but I'm really more interested in useful content than in marketing gimmicks -- especially time wasting ones like that.

Anybody care to summarize her central ideas?

Oh, and as far as "clever", sorry, but she's taken the role of dominatrix. I'm sure that works for some guys (not that they're going to be great DJ with that attitude) but I guess I just don't swing that way.

 

[NMMWCR]

The gist of it, distilled down as far as I can take it is this: becoming a "DJ" etc through using SS or any other tactic is doing things the hard way. We are all already natural seduction machines. It is just that we have let our egos get in the way of what is natural to every living being. So just learn to let go of your misperceptions rather than building a tool kit of tactics (which are likely serving only to increase your counterproductive set of misperceptions.)

That's why it goes on for so long. It takes a lot deprogramming to strip away the ego before you can see her alternate viewpoint.

But take it or leave it. The choice is yours.

 

[( . )( . )]

Originally posted by NMMWCR
The gist of it, distilled down as far as I can take it is this: becoming a "DJ" etc through using SS or any other tactic is doing things the hard way. We are all already natural seduction machines. It is just that we have let our egos get in the way of what is natural to every living being. So just learn to let go of your misperceptions rather than building a tool kit of tactics (which are likely serving only to increase your counterproductive set of misperceptions.)

That's why it goes on for so long. It takes a lot deprogramming to strip away the ego before you can see her alternate viewpoint.

But take it or leave it. The choice is yours.

Your a better man than i am Gunga Din for sifting through that sh!t to find the crux of it.
I mean as much as i like reading page after page after page to find the heart of it, what a women can write in 400 pages a man could sum up in logical form in 1.

maybe one of her disciples xblitz or someone (AS LONG AS ITS A MALE) could one day put any other relevant tips she gives in a coherant, logical, easily understandable way your average man can read it and understand and put it to practice without the frustration that obviously so many of the guys that try and read it and take her ideals away with them deal with.

a kind of "logic translation" if you will.

 

[BobbDobbs]

She might be against neurolinguistic programming, but I think she has replaced it with somnambulistic programming.

 

[NMMWCR]

Originally posted by ( . )( . )
Your a better man than i am Gunga Din for sifting through that sh!t to find the crux of it.
I mean as much as i like reading page after page after page to find the heart of it, what a women can write in 400 pages a man could sum up in logical form in 1.

maybe one of her disciples xblitz or someone (AS LONG AS ITS A MALE) could one day put any other relevant tips she gives in a coherant, logical, easily understandable way your average man can read it and understand and put it to practice without the frustration that obviously so many of the guys that try and read it and take her ideals away with them deal with.

a kind of "logic translation" if you will.

I may do that.

It will take me several months to make sense of it all, test it, prove it, refine, etc before I can write a manual in guy speak though.

 

[bp1974]

She's now written a shorter version called the Dumbasss Guide. It's still way long though, and involves a whole lot of 'homework'.

 

[xblitz44x]

What do you want to know sir? I'd be glad to put it into plain English for you. As long as you guys would be equally as glad to appreciate it and tuck your DJ EGO's back for a second and sincerely try to understand why you're shyt does or doesn't work at all. There is a lot there, and it IS written by a woman; but she knows what she's talking about. Warning: This may invalidate what you were brainwashed to believe.

 

[thecraftylefty]

Do it blitz.

"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."

thecraftylefty

 

[BobbDobbs]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
tuck your DJ EGO's back for a second

I'm interested in all valid ideas. You've already gone off track by resorting to derision when plain old facts should make or break your case.

My main complaint with the lady is the verbose blizzard she produces. It looks like she's writing a graduate thesis on some philosophical minutia.

So spare us the man-hating insults. Spare us the history of philosophy.

Just tell us what she's trying to say.

 

[MVPlaya]

What are NLP and SS?

I see stuff like this all the time and I do NOT understand it. How can it be so different from normal Don Juanism?

 

[Jay_VCU]

NLP sucks.

 

[( . )( . )]

Originally posted by xblitz44x
There is a lot there, and it IS written by a woman; but she knows what she's talking about. Warning: This may invalidate what you were brainwashed to believe.

I think you will find its the other way around for most of the guys here, the brainwashing has always come from the way most women think.

but nevertheless, if you ever get some extra time, or a just bored, i would be very appreciative, for an easy to understand, kind of "point form" maybe of everything shes saying.
i dont believe what shes trying to say can only be understood by reading page after page (well i hope not anyway)

 

[BobbDobbs]

Originally posted by ( . )( . )
i dont believe what shes trying to say can only be understood by reading page after page

There are some concepts that are naturally complex. But generally, extreme verbosity is usually a cover for lack of substance.

Also, flawed arguments are best delivered in massive verbiage. A concise telling keeps all the premises in current memory, allowing the mind to easily see the logic or illogic. A long telling can seperate the key premises into long and short term memories -- where concurrent access is not so easy. Logical soundness is then usually assumed rather than proven.

Con artists are always gifted talkers. The longer they can talk, the more successful they are.

 

[( . )( . )]

Originally posted by BobbDobbs

Also, flawed arguments are best delivered in massive verbiage. A concise telling keeps all the premises in current memory, allowing the mind to easily see the logic or illogic. A long telling can seperate the key premises into long and short term memories -- where concurrent access is not so easy. Logical soundness is then usually assumed rather than proven.

awww phuck you lost me.

 

[Dell SkyCat]

Originally posted by BobbDobbs


Also, flawed arguments are best delivered in massive verbiage. A concise telling keeps all the premises in current memory, allowing the mind to easily see the logic or illogic. A long telling can seperate the key premises into long and short term memories -- where concurrent access is not so easy. Logical soundness is then usually assumed rather than proven.

If only demon or metafag were still here to help us figure this ^^
out.