The Age of Marriage is Over

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..But most people haven't got the memo

During the second half of the 20th century all of the ground rules governing marriage were changed. The laws were changed to such an extent that that we can no longer call it “marriage” as it was known through the millennia. We have to distinguish this mutated institution with a new name. We will call it Marriage 2.0.

Today all that stuff about the moral carrot and stick is out of the window. Basically the higher-earner spouse is always at-fault (i.e. made to hand over assets and pay alimony), and the lower-earner spouse is always the “innocent one” (i.e. gets most of the assets and a cut of the ex’s future salaries). It doesn’t matter if the lower-earner spouse was the one having an affair or is the one filing the divorce. Therein lies the problem with modern family laws. You can be the best breadwinner spouse in the world, take good care of your family, and stay true to your marriage vows, and you will still get shafted in the divorce. It’s a suckers bet for the good guy (or the good gal).

1. Women Filing Majority of Divorces - 66-75% of all divorces are now filed by wives. Publications like Cosmo love to harp on men for having a “fear of commitment”. Guys must ask themselves, why commit when it’s the other party who can’t live up to the commitment 3/4 of the time?

2. Unilateral Divorce – This is also known as no-fault divorce, with no recourse for the other spouse. There is nothing you can do legally speaking to stop a divorce.

3. Domestic Violence Fraud : Presumed guilty until proven innocent DV laws are now widely used as the “opening chess move” of many divorces. Once the husband is removed from the primary residence he never comes back, and she gets the primary residence in the asset split. Also known as the Federal VAWA Legislation, this new unconstitutional law has been fraudalently misused by divorcing spouses ever since it came out. There are no equivalent laws to protect men in abusive situations.

4. Decriminalization of Adultery - Adultery is no longer a crime. However the failure to pay alimony to an adulterous spouse is. Go figure.

5. Losing Custody of Children - Custody of the children is most often awarded to the lower-earner spouse in family courts. Basically this amounts to: Goodbye Daddy, hello ATM. When you read of cases like this October 2009 case where a little boy’s mother was arrested for prostitution and his stable/employed dad was still denied custody, you quickly understand how this loaded dice always rolls.

6. Nonenforcement of Visitation Rights – States enforce payment obligations by non-custodial parents with an iron fist, however they don’t lift a finger to enforce the other side of the bargain, which is the visitation rights of non-custodial parents. If you are going to police one parent’s obligation to pay, why not police the other parent’s obligation to allow regular meaningful access to one’s children?

7. Children as Cashcows - The National Organization for Women (NOW) has been lobbying against Shared Parenting bills in many states. Why would NOW do that? What is more equal than shared parenting? The reason is that NOW’s brand of feminism is no longer about equality, but about a zero-sum game for resources. Children are cash-cows, and NOW will be damned if they allow Shared Parenting to stop the cash-flow.

8. No-Fault Alimony – In many states, fault is no longer a factor in awarding alimony. So there are plenty of cases of “spouse-A cheats, but spouse-B pays”. In what other area of contract law does the party breaking the contract gets paid, and the innocent party gets punished? Only in Marriage 2.0!

9. One Sided Alimony: Ok so the ex-wife got used to a certain standard of living, so we will make the ex-husband pay alimony. Fine. But how about the things the ex-husband got used to? Do men have a right to be “accustomed” to stuff too? If not, why not? Shouldn’t there be some sort of reciprocal reverse-alimony payment by the ex-wife in the form of weekly cleaning, a hot meal 7 nights a week, and “romantic companionship” services for the ex-husband? How come one spouse is obligated to provide something that the other was used to during the marriage, and the other isn’t obligated to provide anything?

10. Lifetime Alimony – Contrary to common belief, Alimony isn’t on its way out. There was a period in the 1970′s when no-fault laws were first enacted when a few states put limitations on how/when it could be awarded. However since then there have been a concerted effort by powers that be such as the influential American Law Institute (ALI) for bringing alimony back in a big way. Here is a New York Times article covering the release of a landmark 2002 ALI report which recommended broadening and deepening alimony awards across all 50 states. Right on queue there are now reports of alimony horror stories coming out from many states where the breadwinner ex-spouses are ordered to pay lifetime alimony. There are also cases like the on in this Wall Street Journal article where long settled divorce cases are re-opened and modified under the new pro-alimony paradigms. Paul Taylor featured in the WSJ story had his ex-wife take him back to court in 2009, three decades after their original 1982 divorce when both parties had agreed to waive all past/present/future alimony. The court reversed that original 1982 divorce judgement and awarded lifetime alimony to the ex-wife. It was ordered that this new alimony be deducted out of Paul Taylor’s pension and paid monthly to a woman he hadn’t even seen in three decades. Mr Taylor is now in bankruptcy and can look forward to spending his golden years working as a Greeter in Wal-Mart.

11. Paternity Fraud - If you didn’t catch right away that your kids aren’t really your kids but instead were “sired” by some guy that your wife was having an affair with, you are out of luck in most states. What’s worse if your cheating wife divorces you, you can bring the DNA tests to court, and you will still be forced to pay 18-23 years of child support for these kids who are some other guy’s spawn. Read this case of the Toronto man forced to pay child-support for twins that even the court acknowledged are not his but ordered him to keep paying anyway. In no other area of the law do we punish the innocent victim for the conduct of two other people

Even more shocking is the New York Times article about a Pennsylvania man ordered to keep paying child support after his adulterous wife divorced him, and married the very guy she had the affair and conceived the child with. Today the bio-father, the ex-wife, and their bio-child live together under a single roof as a biologically intact family and guess who is still paying them monthly child support? Yes, the cuckold ex-husband still has to pay every month or go to jail.


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Whoever gets married at such condition only proves how mentally unstable he is, he either lacks intelligence or character, he simply doesnt understand or cant resist any shaming or social pressure.

If a woman was to cheat on me, divorce and try to estort money thourgh the gov I would put her 6 feet under, no fvcking way Im living as a slave, same thing if a woman even remotly think Im gonna pay for someone else child.

The government and the law lose any credit and legitimation when they on purposely side with injustice and unfairness.
 

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Even more shocking is the New York Times article about a Pennsylvania man ordered to keep paying child support after his adulterous wife divorced him, and married the very guy she had the affair and conceived the child with. Today the bio-father, the ex-wife, and their bio-child live together under a single roof as a biologically intact family and guess who is still paying them monthly child support? Yes, the cuckold ex-husband still has to pay every month or go to jail.
If this man killed his wife and I were on the jury at the trial for the murder, I would probably not be able to vote for conviction of anything greater than Manslaughter, degree 2. :trouble:
 

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You can still marry a foreign woman and make it work. All is not yet lost.
 

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Agreed but make sure you are out of the USA and she's not from Taiwan. Haven't we done this thread already?
 

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LiveFreeX said:
Agreed but make sure you are out of the USA and she's not from Taiwan. Haven't we done this thread already?
No, just because YOU left the USA doesn't mean it's for everyone. 99% of people do not want to live in China. Great it's working for you. I found my wife here in the States. No need to move anywhere. I have things here like family, a job, and a house. I don't need to move to China to buy property. I did it here.
 

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LiveFreeX said:
Agreed but make sure you are out of the USA and she's not from Taiwan.
What, no bagging Shanghai women?
 

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LiveFreeX said:
What gave you the idea that I was American?

I have no clue what you are. I just know you are always urging guys to leave their country to find a foreign woman. Most guys here are in America I BELIEVE but don't quote me on that. If you are in AMERICA there are millions of foreign women already here you can choose from.

Besides, I like Latinas not Asians.
 

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Malice said:
I have no clue what you are. I just know you are always urging guys to leave their country to find a foreign woman. Most guys here are in America I BELIEVE but don't quote me on that. If you are in AMERICA there are millions of foreign women already here you can choose from.

Besides, I like Latinas not Asians.

Let me tell you, there actually is a huge difference between Latinas and Latina-Americans.

There are millions of foreign women for you to choose from, but not if you're like... from Ohio or Utah. And that's the problem for a lot of people. They don't know that the world is a lot bigger than where they are from.

I believe that's the gist of what LiveFree is trying to say (Or at least how I understand it).

I've met dozens upon dozens of Latina women here and the difference between the Americanized ones who speak the perfect English and know how to order a coffee with at least three words in it's name at Starbucks... versus those who don't is a chasm as huge as the Grand Canyon.

And again, there are men who wouldn't know the difference. With experience comes knowledge, but if men continue to marry the first woman that opens their legs for them at the age of 20, all that crap that Burroughs posted is going to continue happening.

Me, at age 32 and never married? I realize I have the upper hand now. It took a while, but I got there... and I couldn't be happier to be avoiding Marriage 2.0.
 

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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Kailex said:
Let me tell you, there actually is a huge difference between Latinas and Latina-Americans.

There are millions of foreign women for you to choose from, but not if you're like... from Ohio or Utah. And that's the problem for a lot of people. They don't know that the world is a lot bigger than where they are from.

I believe that's the gist of what LiveFree is trying to say (Or at least how I understand it).

I've met dozens upon dozens of Latina women here and the difference between the Americanized ones who speak the perfect English and know how to order a coffee with at least three words in it's name at Starbucks... versus those who don't is a chasm as huge as the Grand Canyon.

And again, there are men who wouldn't know the difference. With experience comes knowledge, but if men continue to marry the first woman that opens their legs for them at the age of 20, all that crap that Burroughs posted is going to continue happening.

Me, at age 32 and never married? I realize I have the upper hand now. It took a while, but I got there... and I couldn't be happier to be avoiding Marriage 2.0.
I understand what you are saying but my wife was only in the country for a couple years on a VISA. That's who I am talking about. She is not Americanized at all. If you are in Ohio move to a better place with foreign women visiting.
 

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Don't most of these risks disappear in the unlikely event that you marry a chick far wealthier than you? It seems to me that marriage 2.0 always screws over the higher wage owner which in most cases are men.
 

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JoeMarron said:
Don't most of these risks disappear in the unlikely event that you marry a chick far wealthier than you? It seems to me that marriage 2.0 always screws over the higher wage owner which in most cases are men.
My wife had alot of money in the bank. More than me. Guess what happened when we got married? It's in my name now.
 

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JoeMarron said:
Don't most of these risks disappear in the unlikely event that you marry a chick far wealthier than you? It seems to me that marriage 2.0 always screws over the higher wage owner which in most cases are men.
Not really, because in most cases nowadays, they WILL remind you that they are making more money than you are. It's a ground for resentment, shaming, and "embarassment".

I've run into this situation before and just asked if she was done and to please pay the check, it was time to go.
 

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Danger said:
And now that marriages are starting to taper off or disappear altogether......cue en masse entry of Common Law Marriage.

If you live together? You will be considered married for purposes of property confiscation....er ownership.
This is what I am afraid of, since I cohabitate with my girlfriend and I enjoy the arrangement immensely.

Since men are becoming too smart to agree to marry women, the feminists will try to force the issue and try to dole out cash and prizes to the women anyway. I'm keeping my eyes open.
 

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bradd80 said:
oh no not at all.. it only means they have even more money to feed even better lawyers who will work even harder to fvck you over :)
Lol I still don't get it though. Alimony and child support are the main things screwing men over in a divorce correct? So if the wife earned significantly more money than the husband and there are no kids involved then how the hell could any sane judge make the man pay for anything? I'd imagine child support would still be an issue since the law would want both parents taking care of the children.
 

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bradd80 said:
Joe, laws differ from one jurisdiction to another, but in general this is how family law works in this situation:

If child support is paid, it is paid to whoever the court considers "the primary custodial parent." And that is usually the mother. Even if the mom is super rich and makes $50 million a year, and dad makes $20,000 per year, dad still has to pay child support based on his salary. No matter how long they were married, dad has to pay this support based on his salary as long as the court has deemed him the father of the child.

As for alimony, payment of this depends on a variety of factors such as length of the marriage, who the primary breadwinner was during the marriage, and what kind of job the non breadwinning spouse "gave up" in order to be in the marriage.

Now, it is conceivable that if hubby (H) was very poor, married a very wealthy woman (W), they had no kids, and were married a long time - say 10 or 20 years - H might be able to argue that he "had grown accustomed" to a certain standard of living during the marriage, and that the court should award him alimony based on this standard. The longer they were married, the longer H will get alimony and the more of it he will get. If H gave up his job or had a physical problem that prevented him from making a living, he might be supported by W for a very very long time. But this type of scenario (wealthy wife, poor husband with no job, no prospect of gaining meaningful employment, no kids, very long marriage) as you can imagine is extremely rare.

With marriages becoming increasingly shorter, what often happens is the H is generally not awarded alimony at all in cases where the marriage was short, for example 5 years or less. Also, because men tend to work during their marriages even if they're married to wealthy women, if they are rewarded money it is generally for a short time and only until they can get their "feet off the ground" - which usually isn't very long.

Plus, these days wealthy marriages often come with prenuptial agreements which further limit the rights of the husband. And if the W gained her wealth through inheritance, this is off limits and not considered marital property (with certain exceptions) whether or not she received this inheritance during the marriage.

Often what happens in cases where the W is rich and the H is not, the W hires excellent pit bull-like divorce lawyers to rack up the costs of divorce litigation - litigation which the poorer husband often cannot afford. So a lot of the time he may have to settle in order to avoid ruinous lawyer costs, which can get very expensive and very stressful (anyone who's been through a separation or divorce knows what I'm saying).

A woman who is not rich, may not be able to afford wealthy lawyers and may be more susceptible to coming to an agreement or encouraged into being more cooperative. A wealthy woman will use the best lawyers to gouge your wallet, make your life difficult, and prevent you from seeing your kids (if you had any).
I see. So in cases where the woman is far wealthier or there are kids involved the man is most likely gonna get raped in court. So it seems like the only way for a man to avoid disaster during divorce is to have a wife that makes the same or a bit more money than him and no kids. I'd imagine this is a rare situation too. Most marriages probably have kids involved and when that happens the husband inevitably becomes the primary breadwinner.
 
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