That Which Makes Them "Chumps"

icepick

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AFC. Three simple letters: Another Frustrated Chump. But what do these words really mean?

Another: one more of that which someone already has; an extra, an unneeded; something that which is not unique.

Another, in essence, symbolizes someone that is boring. A robot. A totally predictable man that ekes his way through all his interactions with other people only following the rules and social norms that are prescribed to him without question. To be “another”, there is nothing unique about your presentation:

Female: “Hi!”

Another: “Hi! My name is _____! I go to _____ University! I major in _____! My hobbies are ____, ____, and ____!”

Female: “Oh! There are my friends!” starts to walk away, “Gotta go! See ya!”

Ugh! Fill in the blanks! There are plenty of “anothers” out there! Fill in anything for the hobbies, sure, they can be fun…but focus more on the person himself. He can go see the world, read astounding works, wear fancy clothes, work out and be muscular, play guitar, drive a Bentley…but he is still the same person! He must still display his personality to women. It is similar to earning a degree in college: the degree is meaningless if nothing was learned.

Same here. You are still boring to the women if you are not fun YOURSELF. The women already come across masses of BORING guys that fit this mold. Guys that must brag about their ‘busy and exiting’ lives because they are afraid to let their individuality--their emotions--truly shine. These guys do not let the exiting things that happen to them effect their personality; they do not bring their emotions into it. “Give us something different!” the women scream, “Give us Don Juan!”

Female: “Hi!”

DJ: “Hey! Do you like pickles? Cuz I do, but I had the WORST pickle EVER during lunch! It was crunchy on the outside, but REALLY soggy on the inside!”

Female: “Eww!” laughing “I hate those kind!”

DJ: “Yeah! You know what I LIKE though…”

And they walk off into the sunset…


See, your life should not be the focus of the conversation; it should be the fodder. You could live the most exciting life in the world; yet--if you are just doing it just to do it--you will merely be a passenger.

And you will still be…"another".


Frustrated: confused, bewildered; one that is blind to the ways of women (and the world.)

Common questions of "frustrated" males are “Why did she do that?”, “Why did she cheat on me?”, “Why did I get dumped?”, and the big one…“WHY CAN’T I GET THE CHICKS THAT I WANT!?!?”

How shall this frustrated male be answered? By conjectures and theories? (She LJBFed you because she was “testing” you.) By vain generalizations? (All women are bitches, just be a jerk.)

No. These will not get to the ROOT of his problems. He shall be answered thusly:

Question One, The Mind Behind the (oh so sexy) Eyes

“Why did she _____?”


In the end, it does not matter why women do the things that they do; the reasons are numerous and boring. Some will say that women act on feeling, unlike men who act on logic. Puhlease! There is a spectrum of logic and emotion that we ALL fall on, the majority of women falling on the side of emotion, and the majority of men falling nearest the logic side. To make such a rash generalization would be an error. There are logical girls just like there are emotional men. For sure, logic is considered a “masculine” trait, and emotion a “feminine” one; but who says the logic has to be stifling? Who says the emotion has to be mushy? I admire a girl that can use logic to say “I can’t get drunk tonight even though I REALLY want to…I have a test tomorrow!” Also, consider ENTHUSIASM and ANGER. Are these not emotions that a man can display regularly and still be considered “masculine”?

After all this cogitating, the fact remains that we are all STILL human; everyone uses a combination of feelings and logic to run their lives.

The REAL question that this frustrated male should ask is:

“Why didn’t I see it coming!?”

Good question guy! You have finally realized that crawling into the mind of a woman will not help you. Knowing WHY they do what they do will have no effect on your relations with them because YOU are the one that is participating in this reality. YOU--not your mind, not your knowledge, not your verbal wit or anything else—are the one that must face the test. Those things may help, but they will help VERY LITTLE once you have realized the CORE.

What is this elusive "core"?

Empathy.

No, not empathy as in "You feel bad so now I feel bad." It is more like understanding EMOTION. Why do you think the computer nerd cannot get girls while the crazy drunkard has women on his knob every night? They are both abject pieces of human filth!

The dork does not understand emotion, he tries to analyze it. It is what makes us HUMAN. The crazy drunk guy has emotion, but no control. While the nerd has his cold, calculating mind (with hidden underdeveloped emotions--which turn into embarassment/shyness when let out), the partygoer guy has a crazy emotional manner.

Girls communicate subtley. No wonder the nerd does not understand when women communicate. He doesn't understand when ANYONE trys to subtley communicate with him. He is out of touch with his emotion.

In the end, it is all just not being afraid of our own desires. Shutting off that logical, dehumanizing spirit that resides within us all. (After all, isn't sexuality a desire. When we let our emotion out, sexuality comes naturally.)

The key thing about emotions though is you have to NOT hide them from YOURSELF. Realize that they exist. When you do this, your natural intuition will jump to the forefront.

You will think, "I don't like that girl, I don't know WHY (she is cute)...but she seems...cold," and you will find out later that she has a boyfriend.

You will think, "Geez, she seems cold lately...I can't put my finger on it," and then find out that she has been cheating on you. (With ME :p...but hey, I could TELL she was bored. Had to do something!)

Some people will seem strange to you (those people have hidden agendas), you will begin to SEE feelings in other people. You begin to read between the lines.

Then, you can follow your gut. You have a NATURAL read on BODY LANGUAGE. Communication with girls is ALL body language. You will know if they are into you or not.

Just STOP analyzing yourself, and realize your emotional side.

"But ice, that is AFC stuff like love, infatuation, wussiness, etc."

No. Those things have nothing to do with this. Falling head over heels for a girl is a sign that your emotional side is WEAK and needs to be built up. Look at the nerds, they TRY to act all logical and smart. But emotion DOES come out, we are not computers.

And when it DOES, it is usually childish. The unemotional guys have KEPT thier feelings from "growing up". You will have to let your emotions "grow up". This may take some time, it may take some work. However, you will be more human in the end.
 

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AFC, part 2!

Question Two, I Want THAT One

“Why can’t I get the women that I want!?”

If you tried and fail and fail and fail to get the ones that are desireable to you, then you need to realize that you must change. (Workout, eat, improve your social skills by talking to people, live an interesting life so you have conversation fodder.)

Idiot males think that quantity of women means that they have game or are hot or whatever. Think about some clichés: “Money will get you mad chicks,” and, “think about how many chicks I can get with big muscles,” etc.

What you should really be thinking is: “think of the QUALITY girl I can attract with a good body” because you can only expect what you are. If you have an average body, like me, you can probably get the girls that you consider "hot."

Not everybody has an average body. If you are super-skinny twig, or FAT ASS...you have to get in shape. Sure, you can be damn charismatic and still pull hot girls, but it is easier to just get in shape. Besides, if you have enough drive to improve socially THAT MUCH...why not do both?

"But the FACE ice, the FACE. I am buff, but have a plain face!"

Doesn't matter. Consider this:

Face does not make a woman hot. A woman may be pretty but not sexy. The reason you would go for her NOW is because you are desperate! Take it from me, there are some UNSEXY pretty girls out there. It will help, but most of it is in her body curves and skin. (There are some exceptions, but most people are just average.) What effects this, well it is estrogen. Same thing with guys, most of it is the intangibles. We are lucky that we can testosteronize ourselves, this helps attract better women. However, MOST will not even need THIS! Most of us could already attract decent women, the working out, etc. is just icing on the cake. This is geared more toward superskinny scrawny guy. If you can get decent chicks right now, you probably do not really need to bulk up to get a cute chick.

It just makes it WAY easier to not be "frustrated".

Chump: pushover; patsy; pawn; pussy.

What is a chump? Quite simply it is a man that acts like others tell him too. One who has no spine and molds himself to what others tell him is best.

A chump is the guy that stays on this website and asks questions about his girl. He is afraid of doing the wrong things. Wait! You look perplexed Mr. Chump!

“I don't understand, why should I not ask questions?”

Because I will not let you be a chump forever. Don’t be afraid to lose her by doing as you wish.

“But icepick I love her! I fear losing her!”

OH! You do? Well, what if that love is unrequited? What becomes of your efforts then?

“I will then MAKE her love me by following the advice.”

What! Is that what you think of women, a mere puppet. Shove your hand up her ass and move her mouth while you voice out “I love you”? How can you love something with no free will? Oh! I see, she is merely a sperm receptacle for you! Maybe an ego booster, eh? Is she only something pretty to show off to all your friends? “No” you say? Well, if you don’t want her for sex or for ego, then you should ALREADY be satisfied by being “Just Friends”!

Women are not meant to be won. If you mold yourself to women, by ANY methods, you are being a chump. Do not blindly follow ANY advice, DJ or non DJ. Many here say "Do not take advice from women.", I say, "Do not take advice from ANYONE about women."

"So I should never listen to anyone ever?"

Oh, you poor literal thinker! Understand the main idea of what I am trying to say. That is, don't follow any advice that you don't believe in simply because you want to "get the girl".

No more:

How do I ask her out?

What do I say when I approach?

She dumped me, how do I get her back?

etc.

Don't be afraid to "go in blind", risk is part of the joy of living! You will learn more crashing and burning than asking countless questions on this site. (Or asking your girl friends.) Besides, the "crashing and burning" isn't even that bad as long as you are reasonably observant. You are able to tell that you did something 'stupid' and she thinks you are a fool. Your whole life and reputation does NOT have to fall apart for you to fail.

Now go out, and find YOUR style...chump.
 

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First part was "ok". But the second part was excellent, i can imagine you spent a nice chunk of your time on it, nice post, you get max stars. I thought i would be lazy and not read it, but i am glad i decided to go the other way ;)
 

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Great post icepick!!!

This is some solid advice. I've learned more from C&B than anything else on this site. Getting out in the field is the ONLY way to get good. Enough said.

"If your rap is strong it can't go wrong."

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A = Average?

I guess it works for "another", too. I'm gonna go read it now...

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you can only expect what you are
Love that line. As VLVB said, the 2nd half took the cake :D
 

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Nice post. A = Average, but whatever :) .
 

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A=Average!

LOL! Yeah, I guess I f-ed the acronym up a little bit. I always thought that it was "Another". No wonder "AFC" did not 'fit' into many sentences that I read.

...just another AFC. (...just another another frustrated chump?)

A=Average, but it means the same thing.

Now, to the post...

First Part

I actually thought I had more original things to say in this first part of the post. I thought that it was better.

Maybe I did not explain "empathy" right.

Do you remember the kid in high school that thought that he was friends with everyone...but wasn't? The kid that may have been enthusiastic, outgoing, but still a dork? And he didn't even KNOW IT!? The kid that hung out with all the "cool" kids, but was thier punching bag?

My personality is such that I am a mix between the "smart/thinky" person and the "cool/witty" person. (Also, add some bouts of "crazyness", and you have icepick!) So I am in a unique position where I can see the sides of BOTH the "dork" and the "cool kid" that picks on him.

Something that has always bothered me is how these "dorky" kids are OBLIVIOUS to what people REALLY think of them. I would be surprised after hearing the "dorks" so-called "best friend" rip on the dork behind his back.

They do not understand people at all. This part of the post was geared more towards those types. (Although, I have tried to take these people "under my wing" before, and I have never got it to work...so I am not sure a "post" would have any effect...)

BUT, I get the feeling sometimes like there are many of these oblivious types on these boards.

Second Part

Now, I thought this part has been splattered across the board for a while.

Like, it is not LOOKS, more like a testosteronized/sexual/aura type thing. And the "get off the boards" motto that has been going around.

But, I think I explained it in my own way. Each point of view is different. Hope it got through to some people...
 

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I think the chump can be summed up quite nicely; chumps are guys who never stopped being a boy. Quite literally they are boys stuck in the bodies of men. Ever notice how all the changes we make in our progression of our personal journies, isn't quite viewed by others as change, but more of growing up? And that our changes not only shift our experiences with women, but our whole life; school, getting a job, living life up? When we stop being the Peter Pans and start being the Ernest Hemingways or Teddy Roosevelts of the world, that's when life becomes life. It's when we grow up.
 
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