Tall Muscular White Guy Game vs. Short Ethnic Guy Game

[spinaroonie]

Need some honest input on this from the real playas on this forum...

Take your current self . Take your style of game. Now put yourself in the body of a 5'7" Indian guy, no accent.  Now spit the same game. Would you still be pulling the same tail?

I imagine most of the real players on this forum - 100+ notches - meet a certain physical archetype. You’re a tall, muscular white guy. To an extent you've got to admit that girls are already considering ****ing you before you spit your game. Much of your game is F-A-G game – fvck-up avoidance game. ie. don’t act like a dork, don’t say anything stupid, screen for bangability, manage logistics - and you're hitting it.

What advice is there for guys who don’t meet these physical attributes? I’m talking short, skinny Asian/Indian guys. Whereas tall, muscular white guys already register as neutral-to-positive before you start running your game, short ethnic guys start from a huge deficit position. These guys don’t even register as a sexual presence in the radar of women.

One should admit that you already meet the physical parameters of what girls consider “****-worthy” (tall, muscular, white). For guys like you, game = raw physicality + not saying anything stupid. The girl has already done the choosing to a degree.

But a short, skinny ethnic guy running this style of game would get nowhere. To get laid nearly as much as a tall muscular white guy, he’d really need incredible verbal skills, and turn on the wit, charm, charisma, DHVs, negs, ****y-funny, apply the Mystery Method, understand evolutionary psychology and master the more technical aspects of game.

Now if a short, skinny Asian/Indian guy is pulling blonde co-eds, he’s REALLY got tight game. But IMO his game is more contingent on showing value and manipulating a woman’s emotional state (ala. Mystery Method) to get her into bed as he lacks the raw “physical value” that other guys can coast on.

What advice is there for short and ethnic but otherwise Westernized guys to pull hot tail? 

 

[shizz702]

My advice would be to get over this complex you have and accept yourself for who you are.

Thinking like this is going to do nothing but exude bitterness and negativity and you will never reach your potential until you let this go and change your attitude.

 

[Iceberg]

My advice would be to get over this complex you have and accept yourself for who you are.

Thinking like this is going to do nothing but exude bitterness and negativity and you will never reach your potential until you let this go and change your attitude.

Exactly.

Unless there's some way to change into something other than an average-height, Indian man, then there's no point in worrying about it.

Change what you can change. Accept what you can't. That's the advice I'd give to you, a white guy, or anyone of any other color.

You don't like that you're skinny? Bulk up. And 5'7" isn't freakishly short. Yeah, you'll never be David Beckham. Neither will most of us. So what...

You make it sound like there's this army of 6'5" athletic white dudes snatching up poon from all over the place. I go to bars and clubs a lot....I'm not seeing THAT MANY model-type dudes everywhere. Most of the guys getting tail are normal guys who are good-looking on some level, but not like...crazy good looking.

If being Indian is a crutch, then live with it. Because your Indian-ness isn't going away. There's not going to be some special "How to get non-Indian girls" game for you. The game is: have style, be social, be fun, be confident, be friendly.

You're a man. Not a color or a race. Just be fun to hang around, and you'll transcend whatever prejudices or stereotypes people have about you. And if people can't overlook that, then that's THEIR problem. Not yours. I'm a black guy. I'm comfortable in nightclubs or at rock shows. Beer pong frat parties and hip hop hipster bars. I play guitar. Hell, I bet 25% of the songs I play on guitar are country songs. I can blend into these settings because I don't give a f**k what these people think. Black guys shouldn't play guitar? F**k you. Get out of the suburbs, and stop learning about the world through MTV. I speak too "white"? F**k you. I'm educated and my parents have Master's Degrees. I don't speak street slang because I'm not from the streets. Your goal is to appeal to the open-minded, worldly, educated crowd. That is your audience. The people who just see you as "Indian"...you don't want them. And you're both better off without each other.

My point is this: whatever negativity you're bringing upon yourself because of your race is irrelevant. You can't change it. The only thing you can do is work on being the man you want to become. If some chick doesn't want to date a successful, charismatic, in-shape guy because he's Indian...how is that YOUR problem? On to the next one.

Comparing yourself to this mythical, magical tall white guy contributes nothing to your life. Like I said...I'm out at these bars. In big cities. Like Philadelphia and New York. And the guys there are NOT like whatever you're imagining in your head.

 

[SeymourCake]

I've seen white women who've married Indian men...Then again, it could be because of his occupation.

I'm Indian too, and I don't have a problem with being who I am, but I do acknowledge some of the disadvantages we have compared to other races. My advice? Judging from what you typed in your original post; you're putting these "blonde co-eds" on a pedestal. Knock the pedestal beneath their feet and realize they're no different from any other women from different parts of the world.

 

[ArcBound]

I have two short Indian/bangladesh friends. They both have hot girlfriends. And they got their first girlfriends before I even got one. If you are at a disadvantage it is not because of your height or race its because of your overwhelming sh!tty attitude.

Also, there are more tall lanky white guys than tall muscular white guys. The muscular white guys are just the ones that put in a lot of effort...the taller you are the more muscle you need to put on to stay in proportion with a smaller guy with muscle. You act as if they've been blessed by the genetic gods or something, but in reality they are putting in hard work to be muscular, otherwise their natural phenotype would be tall and lanky=ugly.

I recommend you take this quote to heart: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference."

We all have certain faults that we WISH we could change, but in the words of a famous DJ, Perfection is Boring.

 

[Fuglydude]

Haha, dude, I'm short and ethnic. Pretty much the same stats as you: 5'8" - 185... and Indian and w/o an accent (although I do a damn good East indian accent!). I'm by no means a masta playa or anything but I have had good luck w/ women.

I have the game of a obese startrek nerd. I've never seriously cold approached and I've always done girls that were interested in me. My kill numbers are nothing special. However, I've had pretty good luck w/ women and am happy with where I'm at right now.

I'm engaged to a fitness/glamour model and its not because I'm loaded, but because I've consistently tried to become the best man that I can be. As you're indicating being short and ethnic has the potential to hurt overall game. However, if you're attractive and hypermasculine girls will still wanna suck your cack. I spent three and a half years of my life as a male stripper... most of the girls that booked me were white. I've done shows in front of tons of different groups, races, etc. Being ethnic or a certain race or whatever, don't matter in today's culturally mixed/diversifying society as long as you are attractive and have a hypermasculine presence.

Being short means its easy to look bigger, and in many cases be stronger than taller people. Most successful bodybuilders are on the shorter side, as are many successful powerlifters.

I'm guessing you're probably not a jacked up dude. Trust me man, if you're in elite shape, like top 5-10% of the population, then you get a huge advantage over most other dudes. This advantage should easily supercede the disadvantage that comes w/ being a shorter brown dude.

I'm currently sitting around 185 lbs at around 10-12% bodyfat. Not big/ripped by any means, but I'm stronger/bigger/in better shape than 90% of guys my height. Just go to the gym and get into topline shape man... I promise you'll feel amazing and if you no issues pulling hot girls.

 

[BigJimbo]

Short and ethnic means what? Italian? Italians from the South tend to be short and dark. Ever been to Calabria? Most dumb Americans woukd thonk they were Mexicans! Now, if you tell them they are not white I hope you can run really fast.

 

[backbreaker]

I have two short Indian/bangladesh friends. They both have hot girlfriends. And they got their first girlfriends before I even got one. If you are at a disadvantage it is not because of your height or race its because of your overwhelming sh!tty attitude.

Also, there are more tall lanky white guys than tall muscular white guys. The muscular white guys are just the ones that put in a lot of effort...the taller you are the more muscle you need to put on to stay in proportion with a smaller guy with muscle. You act as if they've been blessed by the genetic gods or something, but in reality they are putting in hard work to be muscular, otherwise their natural phenotype would be tall and lanky=ugly.

I recommend you take this quote to heart: "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, And wisdom to know the difference."

We all have certain faults that we WISH we could change, but in the words of a famous DJ, Perfection is Boring.

lol someone has been to an AA meeting or two.

I'm like the first guy that responded. I'm 5'8, about 175, I'm below 10% body fat (seriously). lol I look at tall white guys and say "lol at this generic looking mother****er right here lol"

Hell my girl's got 2 inches on me easily. I could care less when I approached her, I could care less now. when we are busting each other's balls she might make a short joke but she knows what up.

words cannot even describe the level of not give a damness about my skin color or hight. what the hell you going to get pissy about something you can't control. All that matters is that you do controli what you can control

“Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game.”

 

[Rubirosa]

As a White guy, the only "advantage" I see in game is the game I have with "ethnic" women being that I am "exotic" to them. Being White has no distinct advantage when it comes to gaming White women (my opinion).
Listen, You're an Indian dude...Ever think of joining a Yoga class. I bet your mere presence would make you the center of attention with all the White chicks there who are curious about the roots of the art (kind of like being the only Japanese in a Karate class, or the only Spaniard in a Flamenco class)

 

[Rubirosa]

As a White guy, the only "advantage" I see in game is the game I have with "ethnic" women being that I am "exotic" to them. Being White has no distinct advantage when it comes to gaming White women (my opinion).
Listen, You're an Indian dude...Ever think of joining a Yoga class ? I bet your mere presence would make you the center of attention with all the White chicks there who are curious about the roots of the art (kind of like being the only Japanese in a Karate class, or the only Spaniard in a Flamenco class)

 

[Rubirosa]

As a White guy, the only "advantage" I see in game is the game I have with "ethnic" women being that I am "exotic" to them. Being White has no distinct advantage when it comes to gaming White women (my opinion).
Listen, You're an Indian dude...Ever think of joining a Yoga class ? I bet your mere presence would make you the center of attention with all the White chicks there who are curious about the roots of the art (kind of like being the only Japanese in a Karate class, or the only Spaniard in a Flamenco class)

 

[JackieBoy]

The guy with the best game that I know is Indian. One girl told me "He exudes sexuality". Swear to god. I don't even understand what that means, completely. Not sure how tall he is but he is shorter than me (I am 5'10"). So he is prob 5'8" ish. That said, he isn't skinny or buff. He is lean but toned, from working out.

When we go out, he is ALWAYS in groups, talking to girls, being friendly. Honestly, I don't really understand how he does it because I can't even understand half the words he says (no offense, I have trouble with heavy Indian accent, twice as bad in a loud bar)...but he seems to do quite well.

 

[LoneWolf]

lol @ this thread. we comparing race looks now? come on man! love yourself and it won't matter what the fuk you are

 

[Chickfight]

Not much to add without sounding repetetive
but look at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njDfgsTqUFE&playnext=1&list=PL9DE3297E387F8700
The guy in the video is a small south asian guy, albeit with a good sense of stlye. He's made the best out of what he has and as a result has better game then 99.9% of the guys out there.

Seriously man, you're looking for excuses. Self confidence transcends all.

 

[element0]

6'0, 190, athletic, dress well. But looks wise I don't necessarily stand out because there are a hundred guys at the bar that night that look just like me.

Everyone is going to remember the fun/interesting/confident Indian guy.

 

[OC Speedball]

Bro, I am 6'3" with a six pack and (apparentely) good looks. But I have zero game...

I am almost ALWAYS the tallest guy at parties, outings, etc. There is NOTHING to worry about. You are normal height. Just build up your muscles and work on your game. I know tons of Indian guys that the ladies love to be around.

 

[Soprano]

i think indian and middle eastern girls are hot as hell, but from my experience most of them wont date white guys. regarding muscle, you just gotta build it up dawg. there are a lot of short muscular white guys, and short/tall muscular guys of any race, and short out of shape white guys too.

 

[OC Speedball]

Here's an example: my friend was not a good looking guy. He was chubby (but strong) in high school and he's about 5'5''. Probably shorter than you. He's Mexican.

He joined the Army Airborne after high school and became addicted to working out. Now he works out everyday and reads Men's Health in his spare time. He bench presses 350 lbs. and he has an AWESOME body. He used to have long hair, now that he's in the Army it's cut short and clean, and he lost most of his chin fat. Girls he meets now LOVE touching his arms and chatting him up.

So just work out and get ripped. It works!

 

[cablecow15]

lol this is funny , when i lived in Florida , i used to get pissed off how all the white girls were always googly eyes over the latino guys , , even where i live now i n a primarily white area, i see short Mexican men with gorgeous white girls , so ita not them that's at a disadvantage , its you and your frame of mind

 

[Ease]

Everyone has their own demographic of girls. Asian guys obv are top choice for these 'white girls'. Where are all the asian girls?