Taking chicks on dates

[Starman]

When you guys take girls on dates

do you Pay?

When I have Low IL on a date..I split the bill..or make the date pay a really good tip

When I have High IL..I get AFC and pay for everything..

but I have noticed..just as a test..I took some women I had high IL to places like burrito joints ..or cheaper restaurants..

and they always crack up and say "Wow! you are really dazzling me with all these expensive places you take me to!"

The irony is..we both Get a Total Laugh out of my "cheapness"

but the girls I take to cheap places always wind up..with even a HIGHER IL than before..

while the girls I wine and dine...rarely call me back

Im confused..

does taking a chick to a place thats low quality make you appear as if you dont care to impress her?

When you take a HB to a nice place..does it show you are aiming to please?

anyone else have experience with this??

I mean I like to eat at 5 star restaurants while on dates..but dont want to appear as if Im trying to "impress" them with my $$$..is there a way to take them to good restaurants..and not seem AFC??

 

[tiburon]

NO WAY I AM DOING THAT

Personally i don't take any girl out to any restaurant unless i had met her before and found out she was a great wife prospect.
I don't like wasting my time and money with the the other 99 percent of women. Nevertheless I believe that a HB if taken anywhere should be taken to a cheap place to begin with.Why?
Very simple this women have big heads and we need to put a stop to that. When you take a HB to a cheap place you are acting the complete opposite to whatever other guy she has met has done , this is defenetely a good test to see her IL, personality, and a very good way to tell her you are not impressed with her looks. Lets also mention its good for your wallet. I would not recomment anyone taking a women you just met to a fine restaurant unless you want her to start getting IL on your money instead of you, and also because always ask yourself: "What has this women done so great to diserve for this DJ to take her out to a restaurant". The answer will be clearly : "nothing." Restaurants are reserved for dates with LTD girlfriends who have shown dedication towards the relationship and your future or current wife every once in a while.
For me to take a women out to a cheap place were i could spend some money , she will first have to have me believing she might be in that 1 percent of women who are worth marrying. Taking even such a nice girl to a fine restaurant in early day is a great way to spoil her , you always need to take it slow. If she doesn't get me thinking this way its either : "lets go have a coffee" or "lets go for a walk. " My time is precious and i don't waste it with women that are only good for sex. Finally paying for women who are only good for sex by taking them to an expensive restaurants its like paying a prostitute, who might run away with your money and leave you hanging. That's never happening to this DJ.

TIBURON CUBANO

 

[lil devun]

its as simple as this. the women who you take to cheaper restaurants feel your not trying so hard to impress them in a materialistic way, so they dont feel that they have the upper hand. if that didnt make sense, jsut think of it like this, its the same principle as playing hard to get. they get higher IL because they dont think you care a whole lot
hope that helped

 

[Chief]

In my experience...

does taking a chick to a place thats low quality make you appear as if you dont care to impress her?

She is supposed to be impressing you and proving she's good enough for you also. There are much better ways to impress a woman than $$ ....ie humor, charm, personality. You want to give the impression of having $$ and being able to take care of yourself (and maybe her) but not blatantly.

If the woman offers to pay...let her and show your gratitude.

To me, this is a good sign. She wants to contribute something and it's a sign of high interest level. I meet some women from internet dating sites and oftentimes I'll travel up to a couple hours to meet them. It seems like most the time in these situations they want to pay for dinner. This really impresses me. I think they feel better that they are able to buy me dinner when I spent the extra time driving to meet them. You want her feeling good about herself...right? Put your ego aside on this one and thank her. (This is a low to medium maitenance girl)

When the check comes or it's time to decide who will pay...

If it has yet to be decided, I usually ask if she wants to contribute. I have no problem paying the full bill... I'd rather it be 50/50 on the first date though. This shows that she's willing to have an equal stake in wherever things are going. If she wants you to pay the whole thing and acts offended then she is either a gold digger or it's just her mindset that men are supposed to pay. Maybe she's never really thought about it and is just used to being bought dinner. You just need to feel the situation out and decide. I generally like to make a joke and ask her if she's buying me dinner. This is a good gauge of what she's thinking, and can start a discussion on a more relaxed point. If she balks at the idea of buying you dinner then you can offer to split the bill. I like to include her in figuring out the tip too. Get her to rate the service and ask what she thinks should be left for a tip. I always leave just a little more than she says, because I'm generous. Your choice though... if it's really shytty service then....


That's my general game plan. I would NEVER take a woman to an expensive restaurant until after it becomes an exclusive relationship, unless your a rich bass turd or celebrity and thats common. I always go for mid range or a nice cheaper one.



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[The Bad Ass Canadian]

Originally posted by lil devun
its as simple as this. the women who you take to cheaper restaurants feel your not trying so hard to impress them in a materialistic way, so they dont feel that they have the upper hand. if that didnt make sense, jsut think of it like this, its the same principle as playing hard to get. they get higher IL because they dont think you care a whole lot
hope that helped

Bingo

Going out to the fancy restaurants is such a cliched thing. When you take her out, and bring her to a greasy spoon, or some burger joint, the girl's impression of you is completely changed.

It probably puts them at ease, knowing that you aren't trying so hard to impress her, and then she'll feel like she doesn't "owe" you anything afterwards.

What I mean is, it probably balances the playing field. She will think,
"Oh, he isn't trying to wine and dine me to get into my pants. Now I can relax and let us get to know each other without any pressure."

Of course, this setup will lead to a better chance at getting some action, because it'll be more meaningful, and less like a payback for the expensive meal you had.

Also, if the chick doesn't like it, she's probably a gold digger, anyways.

The Bad Ass Canadian

 

[Chrispy]

This is a really good thread...lots of good points here.

It's nice to hear that not all early dates start on the expensive side....and you're all right...that it looks like you're trying hard to impress...whereas a "cheap date" like walking, coffee, or an inexpensive dinner is more relaxed and casual...which helps in pushing up the IL...that's for sure!

The thing that's great about a non-dinner date is that both of you can "get out" of it much easier if the chemistry is not there...

 

[NewMan]

My Take

This is my take on the whole issuse

1) If you take a woman to an expensive rest. - it could very well make her think, that you are thinking that you are going to expect to get some a## because you've shelled out all this $$'s on the dinner. This can put her on the defensive straight away.

2) If you take her to a cheaper place, she's more relaxed - and the date goes much better, without any pressure on her.

I work in the following way:

I don't ask any woman out to dinner unless I'n fully prepared to cover the total cost. I'm asking her out, I'm going to pay for it. Thats the end of the convo, even if she says she wants to pay something, I tell her it's fine. I do this for several reasons. Firstly, I'm the man, I'm standing up and taking care of business. It doesn't make me look like a cheapskate, and it avoids any uncomfortable situations. Ask the date progresses or the relationship you can pick up signals from her, and will know soon enough if she's a gold digger.

Now, I keep a mental list of 5 or 6 cheap but good rest. These are usually mum and pop kinds places, where the environment is good and the food is also good. Dinner in these kind of places usually cost no more than $10 a plate - so often than not the whole dinner bill is usually 20-25 bucks with tip. Thats a good price to pay. It also leaves the option open to go get some drinks after at a local whole in the wall - and get the whole date done for less than $40 - which is what I personally look to do. Anymore than $40 on the first date is to much. And anyways, when you try and impress the chick buy taking her to a fancy rest. you've set yourself up a little. I always start as I mean to carry on, so she knows what she's getting.

I the date goes well, I'll call her back and ask her out a second time. The second date I don't take her to dinner, what I usuallt do is take her to a bar, Bowling alley or pool hall. We'll get some drinks, and do a fun activity. It's here where I really do my real work. There's lots of opportunites to touch her, ger close and see how interested in me she is. Plus, the whole point is to get a few drinks down her as well - this does 2 things. Firstly, when she's a little buzzed, more of her realy personality will come out. I'll get to know a lot more about her. 2nd, the drinks will loosen her up, and there's more oportunity.

Thats my general plan of attack. If I don't get good vibes from her on the 2nd date I'll next her ass. If she calls me back and wants to do something, I'll let her no that she can head on over to my apartment if she wants. I've got a bottle of wine in the fridge - and since I work in entertainment, I've a couple hundered DVD's that I can pull out (I test DVD's as part of my job, so I tell her I have to screen the movie). When she comes over, thats her 3rd and last chance pretty much. Right here, I'm looking to convert her into a booty call - if all goes well, the wine will be drunk, and I'll never see the end of the movie.

 

[tiburon]

NewMan..no no no

Dear NewMan:

man every time i see you answer a post , you take so much concern about how women are going to react..or how if taking her to fine restaurant its going to make her more relax or uptight...

Man have you read teh bible yet..?

Most of thsi girls aren't wife materials...you talk like if they were all princesses...man realize the bottom line is the IL of this girls...you can take them anywere if you do the right things the IL will go up and thats when they ill give you that sweet pvssy...I already explained in my first post why i wouldnt doi it but .....please brother stop using the reason because she will feel more cofortable etc...

Most of this women are slutsssssss.... man they have fvcked befor and will give it to you if you make them tickle ..its tthat simple..not because they are more relax in a cheap place than a restaurant..PLEASE NO MORE AFC CRAP>>>

Tiburon

 

[Albion2]

Originally posted by Starman
When you guys take girls on dates

do you Pay?

I don't worry about this until the end of the date. I don't go on atypical dinner dates, those are for anniversaries and birthdays. I usually take a girl to a place I like to frequent.

but I have noticed..just as a test..I took some women I had high IL to places like burrito joints ..or cheaper restaurants..

Contrary to popular belief, expensive joints and movies are the worst place to take a girl on a date. I find the best place is a less expensive place that you frequent a lot. Someplace where you know/are friends with the bartender, wait staff, or owner. It's great when you have help from the staff at the place you're taking a girl.

and they always crack up and say "Wow! you are really dazzling me with all these expensive places you take me to!"

Never rip on yourself.

but the girls I take to cheap places always wind up..with even a HIGHER IL than before..

while the girls I wine and dine...rarely call me back

That's because number one when you take someone to a "cheap" place you're being yourself and you're more comfortable. Number two when you have a low interest you're more apt to be yourself and you're more comfortable.

When you take a girl on a first date to a really nice place she's thinking, "F<beep>k, another atypical date, NEXT!"

Im confused..

does taking a chick to a place thats low quality make you appear as if you dont care to impress her?

No, it makes them think that you're trying to introduce them into your life instead of being something you're not. I mean really, think about it, how many times do you go to a fancy place with your buddies?

When you take a HB to a nice place..does it show you are aiming to please?

Nope, it shows you're trying way to hard to impress her. She thinks, "Desperate, typical, NEXT!"

anyone else have experience with this??

I mean I like to eat at 5 star restaurants while on dates..but dont want to appear as if Im trying to "impress" them with my $$$..is there a way to take them to good restaurants..and not seem AFC??

In my opinion the best girls to date are the ones who don't want to go to a fancy place. The ones that do usually tend to be gold diggers and they're only interested in you for your money anyway.

The best dates are either...

1) Spontaneous where the guy says something like, "Hey, I'm taking my youth group down to the aquarium tomorrow. Would you like to come along?"

Or.

2) Personal. I took my last LTR to a little walk up Mexican place (I paid for), and then we went to the Art museum (I paid for), which I go to all the time. We ended the night at a small pub talking over drinks (We split the cost of the drinks). It cost me about $30 total. Needless to say, we ended up together for nearly 3 years.

-al

 

[princelydeeds]

Starman I agree thats why I rarely date women Im not bonin. I rarely get anywhere with women I wine and dine. In fact if I have to wine and dine her I feel like she doesnt really want me anyway so why waste time. A date for me is going out for dessert and walking in the park, meeting at Borders or going to the mall to buy buy things for me. Usually I just wanna get her to come over to my place or go over to her place, have dessert and wine (definitely the wine).

A real date doesnt have to involve spending money. The more you spend the less you get. Women are self centered and geared toward receiving. The more you give the more they expect. My best relationships are ones in which I spent little or nothing on the women.

 

[MoMurda]

CAn u feeeeeeeeel

All fine and dandy for the majority of broads out there. Where's the advice for dealing with the 1%?

 

[Frosty]

You are right, Starman. My problem is that I like nice restaurants. I will go to a nice restaurant even if I am dining alone on my way home in the evening.

So if a freak is out on a date with me, she will eat at a nice restaurant since I avoid fast food and I hunger for excellent service. She might think I am trying to impress her but sometimes I will let her know that most of the restaurants I frequent, I will even go to on lunch breaks.

I guess I am just high maintenance.

BTW, I believe in paying for my dates meals if I asked her out. If I sense terribly low IL, I may abandon my principles.

If she offers to pay on the second date, I will let her. Sometimes when she offers to pay it could be because she has low IL and doesn't want to feel guilty about not wanting to go out with you in the future...I like those ones.

 

[Eyecandie4ya]

Y'all right on the money

I agree with you all about this topic. But, it's not only expensive restaurants you should not take a woman on the first date, it's "anything" that requires you to spend too much such as: high-profile concerts, going to 3 or 4 different places, etc.

She is use to getting this "treatment" from other cats who are trying forever to "win" her heart, so this is nothing new to her. If she states something like she never been to anything "extremely nice", don't buy into that because the AFC of you will come out to try and apply her "wishes".

My advice to all is be different from the other cats..........because when you look past the smoke screen, all women are the same but have different issues. This is not a bad thing but it is the truth.