Tactics Aws/manipulators employ to deceive people!

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Perspective of attention-seekers and drama queens!

Human beings are social creatures and need social interaction, feedback, and validation of their worth. The emotionally mature person doesn't need to go hunting for these; they gain it naturally from their daily life, especially from their work and from stable relationships.

The emotionally immature person, however, has low levels of self-esteem and self-confidence and consequently feels insecure; to counter these feelings of insecurity they will spend a large proportion of their lives creating situations in which they become the centre of attention. It may be that the need for attention is inversely proportional to emotional maturity, therefore anyone indulging in attention-seeking behaviours is telling you how emotionally immature they are.

Being the centre of attention alleviates feelings of insecurity and inadequacy but the relief is temporary as the underlying problem remains unaddressed: low self-confidence and low self-esteem, and consequent low levels of self-worth and self-love.

Insecure and emotionally immature people often exhibit "bullying" behaviours, especially manipulation and deception. These are necessary in order to obtain attention which would not otherwise be forthcoming. They've the emotional age of a young child and will exhibit temper tantrums, deceit, lying and manipulation to avoid exposure of their true nature.

Here you have some of the most common tactics AWs and manipulators employ to gain attention for themselves. An attention-seeker may exhibit several of the methods listed below.

Attention seeking methods:

Attention-seeking is particularly noticeable with females! They commonly exploit the suffering of others to gain attention for themselves. Or they may exploit their own suffering, or alleged suffering. In extreme forms, they'll deliberately cause suffering to others as a means of gaining attention.

1. The sufferer: this might include feigning or exaggerating illness, playing on an injury, or perhaps causing or inviting injury, in extreme cases going as far as losing a limb. They excel in manipulating people through their emotions, especially that of guilt.

2. The saviour: the person, usually female, creates opportunities to be centre of attention by intentionally causing harm to others and then being their saviour, by saving their life, and by being such a caring, compassionate person.

3. The organiser: she may present herself as the one in charge, the one organising everything, the one who is reliable and dependable, the one people can always turn to. However, the objective is not to help people (this is only a means to an end) but to always be the centre of attention.

4. The manipulator: she may exploit family relationships, manipulating others with guilt and distorting perceptions; although she may not harm people physically, she causes everyone to suffer emotional injury. Vulnerable family members are favourite targets. A common attention-seeking ploy is to claim she is being persecuted, victimised, excluded, isolated or ignored by another person or group, perhaps insisting she is the target of a campaign of exclusion or harassment.

5. The mind-poisoner: adept at poisoning peoples' minds by manipulating their perceptions of others, especially against the current target.

6. The drama queen: every incident or opportunity, no matter how insignificant, is exploited, exaggerated and if necessary distorted to become an event of dramatic proportions. Everything is elevated to crisis proportions. Histrionics may be present where the person feels she is not the centre of attention but should be. Inappropriate flirtatious behaviour may also be present.

7. The busy bee: this individual is the busiest person in the world if her constant retelling of her life is to be believed. Everyday events which are regarded as normal by normal people take on epic proportions as everyone is invited to simultaneously admire and commiserate with this oh-so-busy person who never has a moment to herself, never has time to sit down, etc. She's never too busy, though, to tell you how busy she is.

8.The feigner: Watch out for this one!!!

When called to account and outwitted, the person instinctively uses the denial - counterattack - feigning victimhood strategy to manipulate everyone present, especially bystanders and those in authority. The most effective method of feigning victimhood is to burst into tears, for most people's instinct is to feel sorry for them, to put their arm round them or offer them a tissue. There's little more plausible than real tears, although as actresses know, it's possible to turn these on at will. From years of practice, attention-seekers often give an Oscar-winning performance in this respect. Feigning victimhood is a favourite tactic of bullies and harassers to evade accountability and sanction.

When accused of "bullying", the person immediately turns on the water works and claims they are the one being bullied or harassed - even though there's been no prior mention of being bullied or harassed. It's the fact that this claim appears only after and in response to having been called to account that is revealing. Mature adults do not burst into tears when held accountable for their actions.

The need for attention is paramount to the person with narcissistic personality disorder, and he or she will do anything to obtain that attention!

Don't forget:

They are smooth, slimy, sycophantic individual that excel at deception using a combination of compulsive lying, Jekyll and Hyde nature, manipulation, mimicry of normal behaviour, self-assuredness and charm! They, especially female ones, are masters of manipulation, and are fond of manipulating people through their emotions (eg guilt);

There are too much "waste of time" females out there! Beware of their methods!

Material from http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bystand.htm, http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/attent.htm
 
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yeah the girl I dated, always cried. She cried when she got a bad grade, she started to cry before exams, and sometimes she couldn't do them, so she skipped them and got extension. She cries when she remembered old boyfriends who dumped her 3-4 years ago!

Also a drama queen, she was sure that most of the people she worked with on a daily basis, hated her and she doesn't know why.. the whole world is against me and I don't understand.... ( most of the people she can't get along with are women, go figure that one)

Always in the centre of attension. She needs to constantly be flirting with guys anywhere. Even at coffee shops, fast food resturent, she would flirt with the guys working there!!! she flirt with every guy!! like a bird pecking seeds at the palm of her hand!
 

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To me this sounds too academic to be of much use. A quick look down the list of
'tactics' and I see behaviors that could be a sincere expression by someone (with no tactical or manipulative intent) and I wonder if these could apply to most people at some point in time.
 

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Most women and even men exhibit some of these behaviors. It really depends you know. I loathe manipulators and those that act out dramatically to create a falsehood of victimization. I also hate those that openly flirt with others to get attention and those women who spread gossip to poison others about the intended bad-mouthed target.

Sometimes a girl will throw drama such as someone spilling a drink on a gf, and that gf calls you up to whine about it instead of just simply change clothes, swear a bit and deal with it.

Girls are plain psychos.
 

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That's the most well thought out and eloquently put post I've ever seen on this site. Good job.
 

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quote:

"To me this sounds too academic to be of much use. A quick look down the list of
'tactics' and I see behaviors that could be a sincere expression by someone (with no tactical or manipulative intent) and I wonder if these could apply to most people at some point in time."

Its true alot of people possesed those qualities and it can be applied to most, however the thing about AW is that they tend to FAKE their intrest level in you.

When you go into a relationship with AW, you are dealing with a very good manipulating indvidual, who has knowledge and understanding of what Men want. ITs like a don juan of the female side but she is doing it only to serve her purpose not yours.

Anti-dump advice is good against A NORMAL WOMAN who you try to see whether or not she has a high intrest in you and based on that you can dump her or keep her. If someone fakes intrest so they can get emotional support from, while portraying and displaying good qualities, there is nothing you can do about it.

Slowly in time her true personality would start sipping through, and not after many months that you slowly come to realization what kind of a person you are dealing with.
 

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this is a great post and a lot of this is true.
some of this is true with past buddies who have low self-esteem and self-confidence

this should definitely go into the tips section
 

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By Dj damage:
When you go into a relationship with AW, you are dealing with a very good manipulating indvidual, who has knowledge and understanding of what Men want. ITs like a don juan of the female side but she is doing it only to serve her purpose not yours.
Right! A psychologist wrote that those individuals get "dangerous", as closer as you get to them! You never know which persona you'll be dealing with in the momment (the b!tch, the sweet one, the flirtartious one,...).

Some of them like to keep as friends with guys, but in this condition I decided not to be one! They're really "females DJ" (but damaged goods), they're basically takers and inconsiderate, and mask it with charm and sensuality so you don't see their bad side!

"By natureguy: "To me this sounds too academic to be of much use.
What do you think of this?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36115

Knowlegde is the only weapon when dealing with them, and even though you may fall in their game...

Based in "field experience" and in psychological studies (in personalities)! Even though be free to critcize and make comments (this includes spelling mistakes too!).
 
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I took a look at the link you mentioned Blue Phoenix.
Once again, I have to say, too 'academic'.
If you read it closely, it reminds me of astrology or trying to make sense of John Kerry.
For example:
The histrionic personality can be thought of as spanning a continuum from healthy to pathological, with the histrionic personality style at the healthy end and the histrionic personality disorder at the pathological end.
It spans healthy to pathological ? Why not just say that everything is relative (trite) and that whatever we want to believe can be supported with the right spectrum of rhetoric !
Bottom line, for me, this (refering to the analysis you present not this discussion) has no predictive or functional value.
 

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It's too academic...
Academic? Yes, what's the problem? You say as if academic is something wrong or fake!

When you meet an Aw pay close attention to her actions and the way she dresses! After that you'll see I was right! Maybe you'll start to see my point after dealing with worst Aws out there, or maybe you'll never will, who knows?

Bottom line, for me, this (refering to the analysis you present not this discussion) has no predictive or functional value.
Something I noticed is that some people here "devalues" the importance of psychology and yet this forum is "all about psychology". I'm just gonna quote Jester:

The better you understand an enemy, the better you are at conquering them.

Take care!
 
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Yes, by academic I mean exactly how the term is normally used. It has little or no applied value. I wish that wasn't the case, but the analysis you cite is all over the place as I've said.
Interestingly, 'academics' (professors and other educators) often believe they have a great command of their subject area when in fact they usually only have a great command of the reading and literature of that subject matter. There's a big difference between the two and people who are experts in various fields will attest to that.
 

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well Natureguy, I hope in your lifetime you will not date an AW because after you think you found the woman of your dreams, your nightmares will just begin and you will be hurt from her deception for a very long time.

Everything here is too academic. Does Pook really have to write many many great posts to tell you how to live your life like a don juan? no he can sum it all up in one page, but in order to be specific and insightful he has to seperate it into many great posts.

Why are you hear at all then? You are hear because you want to learn more about women and how to attract them and to be a better Man. Well part of learning about women is knowing where the bad apples are and trying to avoid them. Ive been with an AW for 2 years in my AFC's days and it ended with me being very hurtful cause I tolerated her B.S, while she continue to manipulate me, of how much she cares about me, until one day where all of the sudden she left me for another guy with no explanations and no nothing. She told me "she was under the impression that this wasn't a relationship but us just having fun"

By reading the posts and corresponding it with my experience I can tell you that those women are real, and its not bitterness towards the opposite sex. Its to warn others not to waste time with those AW because in the end you will be the one who will be kicking yourslef, while she will be in the arms of another man and the cycle will continue.
 

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DJDamage, I agree with you 100 %. And in our common quest what I find most useful and interesting is real accounts from guys about the problems/successes they're encountering. What better way to learn than from your own experience or from someone elses!
 

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Good post. I have had way too many drama queens.
 

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Hmmm... honestly, I'm guilty of being something of an attention seeker myself. I guess that in my dealings with women I have become a manipulator. My friends are always telling me that I'm exactly like the character 'Sebastian' out of the movie "Cruel Intentions."

Then again, I'd rather be the way I am now that how I was in my AFC days... I don't really see a problem in turning the game back on women... I actually love playing this game.

Can you guys honestly say that you don't manipulate women and that you still have success with them?... I doubt it.
 

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Originally posted by Spike_the_Dragon
Hmmm... honestly, I'm guilty of being something of an attention seeker myself. I guess that in my dealings with women I have become a manipulator. My friends are always telling me that I'm exactly like the character 'Sebastian' out of the movie "Cruel Intentions."

Then again, I'd rather be the way I am now that how I was in my AFC days... I don't really see a problem in turning the game back on women... I actually love playing this game.

Can you guys honestly say that you don't manipulate women and that you still have success with them?... I doubt it.
This doesn't sounds good. :rolleyes:

Actually being the way you're being and being an AFC is not so different as you think. If you're really good, you don't have to manipulate others, neither to be the center of attention. Take this as a warning and get ready for a lot of self improvement (if you're willing to do it).
 
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