Supplements.

[CapiCrimini]

Of course this has been covered, of course I did searches, I've read a lot about it, but I'm looking into more strenght gain rather then muscle mass and I wanted some tips on supplements.

WEIGHT: 175lbs
HEIGHT: 5'9
BF: ~11%
AGE: ~16

Looking FOR: Supplement advice, would like to be able to see abbs without flexing, and a nice chest.

I've tried Diet&Exercise, it helps a little but isn't that great. I've triend anarobics as well as aerobics, diets mentioned on the forum as well pop diets like Atkins and the Zone.

I'm looking for help on suplements. I've heard Creatine before on this site, but also heard it just makes you muscles bigger, which is fine, but I really need help loosing my last 10lbs of fat, which is what I'm guestimating would get me the abbs, then I'd really need to work on my chest, which is flabby and a bit underdeveloped.

I can answer any other questions you need to know... a few things about the suplements too...

How long do I have to take them? For example if I stoped Creatine after a year, would I lose the muscle size Creatine gave me? would I go into withdrawl? I really don't want anything with bad side effects like glowing eyeballs. . actuallly that might be neat, like in the cartoons,

How much on average do the suppls cost for a month, ect.

Thank You very much,

~Capi

 

[Centaurion]

if money is of concern, then get yourself a decent stack of multivitamins. vitamins are an essential, but yet much overlooked, part of bodybuilding. I would also recommend that you get yourself some whey-protein. Basically you dont need any other supplements besides those two. Your 'cut' abs will come when you get a good diet and stick to it. And also remember that you can't 'spot-reduce' the fat.

Since, simply put, creatine gathers water in your muscles, so, yes they will lose some of their size. But i really dont think that will play such a big role in your situation.

here is what you need to know about creatine :

http://www.absolute-creatine.com/creatine.htm

no, you wont have any 'withdrawel' effects. And there is no known side-effects of creatine if you use it sensible. That means that you dont do 20grams for a months on end. Cycle it, 5g each day for up to 2months, then a months break. Remember to drink plenty of water while you are taking creatin.

 

[CapiCrimini]

MP Thermorexin

I was considering MP Thermorexin


This should help me lose weight with diet, but will this help me build muscle.

I'm 17ish. so will this mess with my growth or something? If I take this with whey protien and Creatine, will it help me lose weight and build mass?

I'm also following a diet as stricly as I can, and exercising.

Thank you

~Capi

 

[CapiCrimini]

Ephedra

isn't that illegal... ?

 

[Alpine]

Can u still get that chinese tea that's got it in, u can use that.

I read the stack is amplified by doing aerobic work first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Sounds like hell to me though.

 

[CapiCrimini]

I read the stack is amplified by doing aerobic work first thing in the morning on an empty stomach.

Sounds like hell to me though.

sure it probably raises your absorbtion rate.

but I really don't want to do it for the healt reasons. Though I did see they sell it online, The pharmacist said it was horrible. Raed my other post I decided to go with something else. but I want to know any health issues with it first. I don't mind simple things. Keep in mind I'm under-age and really am not looking forward to having my first heart attack.

 

[CapiCrimini]

Hey. Also with Calories. Using Diesels plan how do you know how many calories to take. How do you convert grams to calories?

 

[Alpine]

I think your focus on suppliments, especially at your age is misguided though.

Diet and a sensible wieght/aerobic regime is the only way to achieve your goals, supps might help less than 5%.

Also train your brain, it will last a lifetime.

 

[CapiCrimini]

Diet and a sensible wieght/aerobic regime is the only way to achieve your goals

I've always done that and am curently trying to do even more.

I just want something to help out with my energy and things like that.

 

[Centaurion]

Originally posted by Alpine
I think your focus on suppliments, especially at your age is misguided though.

Diet and a sensible wieght/aerobic regime is the only way to achieve your goals, supps might help less than 5%.

Also train your brain, it will last a lifetime.

i completly agree. but however, if you are looking for a potent fatburner without ephedra, i suggest that you check out :

http://www.atlargenutrition.com/nutrition_detail.php/products_id/4

i personally believe that this is one of the best fatburners are out there, it also cheap compared to much of the other stuff.

just my two cents.

 

[Centaurion]

Originally posted by Sazuki
Hydrolized whey protein is a great for post workout.

actually it is better to take a proteinshake beforetraining. read this :

http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=109

First, let me get the obvious answer out of the way: if drinking a shake made with milk makes you feel crappy--due to lactose intolerance, or just by filling you up too much, or whatever--use water. Pretty simple. As long as you're training approach isn't too retarded, and you're eating in a manner to support your goals (i.e. a slight caloric deficit if you're dieting, or a moderate caloric excess if trying to gain) whether you mix your post-workout shake with water or milk is probably not going to make a whole lot of difference. That said, there are a couple of more interesting issues this question brings up, the first being whether you should be having a post-workout shake at all. Let me explain.

It's pretty standard dogma by now that one should always have a post-workout shake after training. In fact, this may be too late to optimally take advantage of the 'anabolic window' that occurs during and after training. Tipton et al. looked at muscle protein synthesis when a shake, which consisted of 35g of sucrose(AKA table sugar) and 6g of essential amino acids, was consumed either immediately prior to or immediately following a training session consisting of 10 sets of 8 repetitions of the leg press and 8 sets of 8 repetitions of the leg extension. (3) The researchers then looked at phenylalanine uptake (which is an indicator of muscle protein synthesis) across the leg to see which had the great anabolic effect. They found that consuming the shake prior to exercise resulted in over twice as much phenylalanine being taken up. By consuming the shake pre-workout, amino acids are available during a period of increased blood flow to the leg which results in greater delivery of those aminos to muscle tissue. I generally have both a shake prior to and following my workouts--and if you look at this study more carefully, the data supports this approach. If, however, you are only going to have one shake, I think it's clear that it is a much better idea to consume it pre-workout rather than post-workout. Unfortunately, it may cause stomach upset for some. If, however, you keep the shake small (As this study demonstrates it does not take much to significantly elevate protein synthesis--here it was only 6g of aminos and 35g of sugar.) and mix it with a minimal amount of liquid, it should not present too much of a problem.

 

[CapiCrimini]

Hey. I know nothing really about body building. I'm going off of DIESEL's post. he said this stuff should be included in cutting and building.

I've tried other things so I'm going to try this. I'm doing vitamins like he says too...

I think i'm going to go with what you mentioned they sell it in a store nearby so I don't have to order it. Reliable store too...

But if you guys agree I SHOULDN'T be using this I won't.

I really want to lose this last bit of weight. For personal reasons.

I could also use a bit of energy and if these give me a wee bit, i'll take it.

Thank you ~Capi

 

[Ixnys]

I know where you're coming from man, but stop and think for a moment. Is a forum like this really where you wanna get advice about your health from? Who are you really talking to? What do they know?

All you need to do is eat right and supplement yourself with a multivitamin pill like Centrum. You don't need protein shakes and you don't need creatine.

Getting an adequate amount of protein each day isn't hard...you only need about 0.6-0.9 grams per pound of bodyweight.

Creatine puts stress on your liver if you don't drink enough water. It also retains more water in your muscles....SO even though it MIGHT help a little, your gonna have to drink tons of water and you'll have a bloated stomach full of water or you'll have to urinate every damn hour. You'll retain more water so you WON"T look as cut.

Everyone wants an edge. You wanna feel like your doing the extra "magic" things that are gonna make you get stronger, bigger, leaner than the rest of people. You think if I take supplements I'll have an edge and reach my goals faster. FORGET ALL THIS MARKETING BULL****.

Workout, do cardio, eat right! That's all you gotta do.

 

[Centaurion]

my personally opninion, is that at the age of 17 the only supplements you need is a protein-powder and a multivitamin. If you hammer together a good diet, and up your cardio a bit, you will get cut. There is no magic behind cutting, all you need to do is to burn more cals each day than you take in.

 

[CapiCrimini]

Thats what I'm going to stick with.

Whey-Protien and a multi-Vitamin

Sound good. Then this post sounds answered

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP...

~capi

 

[Ixnys]

I can understand you want this so called edge. Forget about all these supplements you don't need them. The only edge you get is if you work hard.

 

[CapiCrimini]

yeah I decided that already from your other posts. thank you guys for your responses.

 

[Alpine]

Yes, I'd pay a lifting coach or a non spandex fitness coach to really see what you are doing, you may not be aware yourself where you are going wrong, yet it might be obvious to someone who works with people like you every day.

The analogy is as follows:

I have a friend who spends thousands on performance mods for his car 'to get that extra boost'.

I suggested to him that he should go on a performance driving course at £300 (smoothness is not in his vocabulary). The 'boost' would be huge and permenant.

He reckons it would be a waste of money.