Still at total AFC

Marcopolo

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I am bitterly dissappointed in myself and what happened tonight. There was this one woman who I contacted via an internet site. She lives about 2 hours from me but she seemed really interesting and her photos were attractive. So I actually went out there to see her, we planned dinner at her favorite Thai Resturaunt and afterwards we planned on going to see a movie.

When I met her she exceeded my expectations, and was an interesting person to talk to. I admit I did not do my best at times. I showed her some of my oil paintings over the internet and she said a lot of deep things about them that I had never thought of. When she asked me what was going through my mind when I did them I was like ????, I was just painting a pretty sunset or whatever, I dunno what I was thinking (which it the truth, but she is into the arts and all that interpertation stuff).

Afterwards, we went to the movie and took my car. It was about a 15 minute drive and she had to give me directions because I was unfamiliar with the area. The traffic was also horrible and it took some effort to find parking. I was concentrating on that instead of being social, but felt uncomfortable.

We finally parked, and got tickets for a later show. We went to get some ice cream and she asked me why I was so shy. One major difficulty I have is the more attracted to a woman i am the shyer I am with her. I am so afraid of saying something stupid and screwing it up that I have difficulty being myself. I admitted I was a bit nervous and stressed about traffic, etc. At that point she suggested we end it and said it wasn't working. Of course, I cannot change her mind so we got our tickets refunded and I dropped her off. It was the worst feeling.

The irony was just the day before I met a chick who was much fatter than she said she was, and we met for coffee and I basically acted like a jerk and I didn't care just to get rif of her. Of course she voulenteers to give me her number. And then there is eveything in between. Generally the less interested I am in a woman, or the less I consider her to be LTR material, the easier it is to be successful with her. But when an hb8-10(like this gal was) who is just the type I want to be with-classy, intelligent, interesting, no kids, etc. I totally freeze up and start acting like a driveling AFC again. And then of course the date ends horribly like it did. Some of you will tell me to go read the DJ bible again, but knowing what you are supposed to do and doing it under stress are two different things (and I really REALLY wanted to hit it off with her physically right away, she was already giving me blueballs - but perhaps unlike most of you, I wait for the women to give me some sort of physical sign, like touching my hand or brushing against me).

She thought I wrote a great profile, and cannot believe I was the same person. I did write a ****y and funny type profile that probably gets me more responses than I otherwise would get, and it is my own profile- not borrowed from some other DJ(my profile is too good perhaps, and they expect me to be a professional comedian for them?).

I think I can at times be better at the written word than expressing myself in person. With previous girlfriends I have had them tell me they cannot believe it is the same person who wrote them the love letter and the real me. Especially early in the relationship before I am totally comfortable with them, I apparently express myself more openly in writing. I am just really bummed right now. i just turn into a complete AFC around women I want a LTR with.
 

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Well, give yourself credit for getting the date with the women you want. That is half the battle.

Now you could try something simple to soothe your nerves before you go out, from meditation to some pills. It is a shame for these women to miss out on you just b/c of nerves.

Also, I think you should follow up with this one. It will show some courage and make you feel better. And you have nothing to lose. Just call up in a few days and say that skipping the show was a good idea. Don't apologize or anything, just let her know you are totally cool with how it played out. She might start thinking that there are worse features in a guy then getting nervous on a first date. You won't get her back, but it might make the next one go smoother.

Finally, you are using negative affirmations when you say "I always ...". You are training yourself the wrong way. Start saying the opposite: "I always enjoy the first date." Teach your subconscious to behave the way you want it to.
 

Marcopolo

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Hmm..perhaps I could follow up, maybe by sending an email will be better. Unfortunately I think I blew it even more after she wanted to go back. God, what an insult, this sort of thing just makes me feel worse for the next time, and I am probably meet 3 or 4 more women next week, but I am having a very negative attitude about the whole thing because so far, even though I can get dates, I screw up on the date!@ What pills do you suggest exactly?
 

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well, there were some things that just didnt work your way

1.
during the 2 hours drive to her town, you built up a lotta tension / nerves; right ?

and the lesson is..... ?

2.
you are the man, you set the time and place !
ok this is difficult, cause you are out-of-town, but its these small things that can give you confidence

succeed with the small things etc etc, huh ?

3.
dont ever, never, ever think that conversation with a girl is 'silly' it might be boring, irritating, but never silly

woman are into words

i kid you not; you could have talked your way into her pants explaining your paintings !

4.
so you didnt think of nada, zilch, butkus when you painted it SO WHAT go with her line of thought

5.
what I completely lack in your story is laughing, humor etc

ok so you get lost in a new town - laugh it off

use it as a joke - say something like "here, hold my hand - i am never going to be able to do a u-turn here"

6.
cramps, nerves, etc

you are putting up to many high hopes before a date been there done that

so of course you dont want to do anything wrong

problem is; the worst something you can do is to do nothing

when she said; are you shy you answer wtih sly smile; "yeah but only around beutiful girls - but dont mind it - its disappear after our first kiss" BUT DO NOT try to kiss her at this moment, only try some kino

watch her reaction; and go with that reaction

she might do anything;
-lean over and kiss you
-say I never kiss on the first date so you say; neither do and smile like you told the biggest lie in history
-touch you - so you touch her back after 10 - 20 seconds

why dont you just treat dates as meeting a good old friend no pressure all fun and games

believe you me; she will appreciate that you make the date a good time for her

good luck in the following week and as iveyleeger quite rightly pointed out;

hey you ARE getting dates so you have plenty of room to pratice

with so many dates you really dont need to get nervous; there will also be a tomorrow !

/ date101
 

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Marcopolo,

Paintings: Tel he exactly what you though at that moment! i.e.
how you didn't think much when you were painting.. told her how wonderful it felt not to think about anything and be focused on that beautiful sunset... elaborate on this "I was not thinking at all"...

Date: You have to drive 2 hours and wanted to go for dinner and movies? Was a bit too intensive for a first date?

15 min drive: you can easily change this: ask her for a ride to the movie theater by asking "How fast do you drive?" and say "I want to see if you are a good driver". Simple. You will relax and she'll be worrying finding parking spot.

"We went to get some ice cream and she asked me why I was so shy". Why did she conclude that? Cuz you didn't talk much in the last 15 min? Last hours? What was the reason? You have to figure that out.

Anyway... I can deal with too hot chicks on a date since I simply assume:
a) well, anyway it is not going to work out - she is too hot, therefore too spoiled. I dont deal with spolied chicks. - this alleviates fears a bit.
b) you may want to focus on turning her off and say things you want to say. Just as if you dont care about her. Doesn't matter what she says...just show her that you are not afraid to say things. It is easier since you already dont care much about her due to a).
 

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Well, thanks for the advice. I wish I thought of some of these things before. I don't know if it would have changed things, but maybe I'll remember next time.


during the 2 hours drive to her town, you built up a lotta tension / nerves; right ?
Don't drive that far for a friggin date?



i kid you not; you could have talked your way into her pants explaining your paintings !
really?

when she said; are you shy you answer wtih sly smile; "yeah but only around beutiful girls - but dont mind it - its disappear after our first kiss" BUT DO NOT try to kiss her at this moment, only try some kino
That's a good one, thanks

problem is; the worst something you can do is to do nothing
I know, but easier said than done. I still think that I have PTSD from my psycho relationship with my ex that ended a year ago. she had Borderline Personality Disorder and I find it even now difficult to really open up and trust women. Deep down I have this fear that they will bite my head off at something stupid I say. She totally destroyed my confidence, and one of the things she consantly told me is that I am such a screw up, loser, etc. that no other woman but her would ever want me. When some other bvtch like this one pulls this $hit and ends the date half way through it, of course, this simply reienforces what she said.

good luck in the following week and as iveyleeger quite rightly pointed out;

hey you ARE getting dates so you have plenty of room to pratice

with so many dates you really dont need to get nervous; there will also be a tomorrow !
Yes, unfortunately that is not my state of mind right now. I am sick of women and want nothing to do with them. I don't feel like talking to any of them right now and if I do I will not exactly be in a playful happy, mood. i know this sounds like a pu$$y, but my feelings are intense. And, frankly, I just want to relax this summer and do my painting. I care more about that right now than I do women, because they are just a drain of my time that is better spent doing other things.
 

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Can I be brutally honest?

You drive 2 hours for some girl you met on the internet...(That is bad enough.)

You tell her you are nervous and stressed.( You must have been acting this way..bad enough, then you appologize for something when appologizing wont help you. )

No wonder she wanted to end it.

Next time make some more demands. Make the next girl meet half way or make her come to you.

Put some of the pressure on her to make the night great and fun, remember it your responsibility to attract her, but hers to keep you interested. Make her prove herself in subtle gentlemanly
ways.

And by the way, "it's not working out" on a first date means you do not turn her on, but this was because of behavior, not looks.
 

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Hey guy, sorry that went down like that for you. I know how painful stuff like that can be.

You need to get your inner game together. What to say or do isn't your problem, it's your foundation. It's how you see yourself and how you approach your interactions with women.

You said yourself that you have a bunch of issues around your past relationship and how you were treated. You need to fix those first because even if you land a girl you won't keep her because you haven't evicted the inner AFC yet.

I HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU ARE........

I would get David Ds Advanced program and go through it as many times as it takes. It will help you get your inner game together so this stuff stops happening. Best investment I ever made in myself.

gixx
 

Marcopolo

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I have a bunch of tapes by Ron Luis and David Copeland I got awhile back. In fact, looking up their website is how I found this site, I think. I started to listen to them but then procrastinated. Anyone know if they are any good?
 
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