Steroids: Dumb idea.

Alle_Gory

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I was looking into potentially doing a cycle of DBol to boost my efforts in the gym. So I decided to look into it. Where does the DBol come from, and how much DBol is in the DBol?

Here's a nice article that convinced me against it.

http://www.ergogenics.org/212.html

November 6, 2005
By JOSH KOVNER
The Hartford Courant
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Dangerous. That was the first word out of the scientist's mouth after seeing test results on three batches of anabolic steroids The Courant bought from black market websites in Poland, Spain and Moldova. Reckless was another description. Poison, a third.

Tests by a team at Northeast Laboratories in Berlin, led by William Ullmann, showed a small amount of lead in one of the steroid samples, a liquid injectable that users shoot into their muscle.

Traces of a banned, cancer-causing cattle fattener were found in a second sample. A third steroid proved to be nearly twice as concentrated as the amount on the label, raising overdose concerns. A fourth was labeled as one steroid, but was another. A fifth sample contained traces of a flammable liquid used in the production of plastics.

This is why federal agents, drug prosecutors and drug-industry regulators say they find Internet steroids terrifying.

"You would not want your loved ones anywhere near this stuff," Ullmann said. He's the owner and founder of Northeast Laboratories, which has tested drugs, food, air, water, molds and a multitude of other compounds for industry and government clients since 1976.

Ullmann is the former director of the laboratory division of the state Department of Public Health, and is a scientist with 55 years of experience. His team at Northeast tested 13 samples using a gas chromatograph. Specimens were vaporized, then injected into a column of gas, their component parts recorded on computer printouts.

Ullmann said this was one of the toughest assignments he's handled, and the findings were alarming.

The team found small amounts of arsenic and tin in the sample of Deca Durabolin [from vipershop.org, Spain], one of the most popular bodybuilding steroids. Ingested over a period of weeks, as bodybuilders do when they're on a 10- or 12-week cycle, the tin can cause headaches, vertigo and problems in the nervous system, Ullmann said. The arsenic - trimethylsilyl arsenous acid - can cause cancer.

The team found small amounts of lead in the vial of liquid Equipoise [from vipershop.org, Spain], an injectable steroid. The lead can cause illnesses similar to tin poisoning, only more severe. Traces of benzyl chloride also showed up, a preservative that can produce pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs).

"Like the tin, lead is a cumulative poison. First it goes into the soft tissue, then it works its way into the bone, where it can be stored for years and be released by an illness or reaction to a medication. And here, you're shooting it right into your muscle," Ullmann said.

In the testosterone Enanthate [from marssel4bolex.com, Poland], the team found traces of diethylstilbestrol, once used as a growth promoter in cattle. Diethylstilbestrol was banned by the federal government in the 1970s for animals used for foods, because it was found to cause cancer.

Diethylstilbestrol, also known as DES, was used as a synthetic estrogen for pregnant women from the 1950s to early 1970s, when it was linked to vaginal cancer.

"This was supposed to be the answer to farmers growing fatter livestock," Ullmann said. "It may still be used as a growth promoter somewhere in the world."

Traces of flammable Furfural, used to make plastics, showed up in the Bionabol sample [from vipershop.org, Spain].

"I don't know how that would have gotten in there," Ullmann said. "It is a contaminant in this case. They could have been using dirty equipment, or maybe the equipment was used for something else beforehand. Lord knows."

Then came the tests on Winstrol [from vipershop.org, Spain], the trade name for stanozolol, the powerful steroid linked to slugger Rafael Palmeiro.

The label on the bottle, shipped from Madrid, said each pill was 50 milligrams. Ullmann's team found they were 91 milligrams each, a concentration of steroids 82 percent higher than the amount on the label.

"It's loaded and there's no instructions on how much to take," Ullmann said.

"Seems to me, it's pretty doggone dangerous. If a kid takes one of these, he might think two is good, and three is even better. Then we're getting serious," Ullmann said of the overdose threat.

Doctors, bodybuilders and former steroid abusers told The Courant that inexperienced users tend to take more of the drug than less. They self-medicate, then seek out advice from seasoned users in the online chat rooms of steroid.com and elitefitness.com.

All of the samples tested positive for steroids, but some had dosages that were significantly weaker than the labeled amount.
Ullmann said this suggested that either the chemicals in those samples were old and losing their potency, or that the steroid peddlers had diluted the chemicals to stretch the product, as heroin, cocaine and marijuana dealers are known to do.

A second sample of Deca Durabolin [from marssel4bolex.com, Poland] proved to be mislabeled. It turned out to be another powerful steroid, testosterone propionate.

"It's like getting a mislabeled drug from a pharmacy. You don't know what you're taking," Ullmann said.

"This goes beyond concerns about the long-term health effects of steroid abuse," Ullmann said of the overall test results.

"First, you have the labeling problem. If there's no instructions on how many to take in a 24-hour period, it would not be hard to overdose. The whole thing is reckless; it shows poor production. It appears in some cases they weren't careful about how they mixed the compounds.

"It's all very disturbing."
Unless you know exactly what you are putting into your body, don't do it.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
I was looking into potentially doing a cycle of DBol to boost my efforts in the gym. So I decided to look into it. Where does the DBol come from, and how much DBol is in the DBol?

Here's a nice article that convinced me against it.

http://www.ergogenics.org/212.html



Unless you know exactly what you are putting into your body, don't do it.
Well yea, of course.

A bigger sign of that is that you thought about doing a dbol only cycle.
 

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Caferacer said:
A bigger sign of that is that you thought about doing a dbol only cycle.
I don't like injecting ****. Not my thing. A potent oral that leaves the system quickly in case things go bad is what I was looking for. DBol fits. Too bad its hard if not impossible to get something that is actually DBol.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
I don't like injecting ****. Not my thing. A potent oral that leaves the system quickly in case things go bad is what I was looking for. DBol fits. Too bad its hard if not impossible to get something that is actually DBol.
DBol will not do sh!t unless you're using it along with a standard Test cycle.

You're never going to be able to take roids only orally, too much strain on the liver, they are just the sugar on top of a standard cycle.
 

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wolf116 said:
DBol will not do sh!t unless you're using it along with a standard Test cycle.
Either way, it doesn't matter. Unless you get medicinal grade steroids, you're ordering crap in a vial.
 

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"The Courant bought from black market websites in Poland, Spain and Moldova"

Yeah, what would you expect ordering from Poland, Spain and Moldova.
 

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Hey Alle Gory, how long have you been lifting for?

And why do you think you even need to take a cycle? Most guys in the gym would get better results from a change in their diet/training than they would just taking a cycle of test/dbol by itself.
 

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wolf116 said:
"The Courant bought from black market websites in Poland, Spain and Moldova"

Yeah, what would you expect ordering from Poland, Spain and Moldova.
You probably know something some of us don't, but how the hell are you really supposed to trust any source? It's not like you can pursue legal action against any company in any country producing this stuff.

It's not like there are reputable sources for steroids.

I've wanted to get into them but don't trust anyone.
 

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Alle_Gory said:
I don't like injecting ****. Not my thing. A potent oral that leaves the system quickly in case things go bad is what I was looking for. DBol fits. Too bad its hard if not impossible to get something that is actually DBol.
You wrote, in this post here, why dbol alone is a horrible idea. You need stable blood levels of any synthetic you take. Fluctuating hormone is what brings about alot of side effects. It's impossible to have stable blood levels with an oral like dbol.

You need to research a LOT before you even think of taking any kind of steroid.
 

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Alle_gory you raised an interesting point regarding the presence of toxic impurities in black market anabolic steroids. I don't agree with your choice of an oral-only dbol cycle, however, but to each his/her own.

I have easy access to several different AAS dealers because of my part time "job" as well as my acquaintances. In the past I've used stuff that I've gotten from friends that I trust. Many of these guys use the same stuff that they sell you. To date I haven't had any real significant adverse reactions (other than being an ass to by gf). This is not to say that my stuff didn't have anything acutely toxic in it.

Purchasing and use of black market AAS is associated with numerous risks. If one chooses to use these drugs it is crucial to be informed about the risks. This article definitely helps open the eyes of AAS users to potential risks.

Interestingly, I don't think I would use AAS if I lived in the US as from what I know the punishments for even possessing a small amount of AAS or a needle are quite harsh. Thank god Canada has more liberal drug laws!
 

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Quiksilver said:
Hey Alle Gory, how long have you been lifting for?
On an off for about 5 years. Depends. If I am doing a sport, I don't go to the gym as much or at all.


And why do you think you even need to take a cycle? Most guys in the gym would get better results from a change in their diet/training than they would just taking a cycle of test/dbol by itself.
Lack of patience I guess. I have changed my training and I'm working on my diet. I am seeing results. But I want to reach my goal faster.
 

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Espi said:
Lesson #2: There are tons of underground lab steroid manufactorers that are well regarded and well proven amongst the steroid commununity, and I've got the body to prove it.
Well the things that scare me are asbestos, lead, and arsenic. I can understand contaminants, but those are poisons.
 

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Espi said:
Of course, your fears are validated. But my point is you haven't even seriously considered using steroids, so you're not familiar with how they're manufactored, sold, etc. A steroid manufacturer knows he must sell a proven quality product...and there are several proven qulaity product lines out there...and, of course, there are, probably, the shiatty product lines ...I'm not trying to convince you wither way, but I will say if you plan on using them, you must do your homework.
Exactly. UG labs operate on a word of mouth basis. All it takes is one burned customer to wreck a lab's buisiness.

All of the sources I have come across were from very trusted people, who had been using that particular source for a long time. I had to have a few dudes vouch for me just to get the dude to respond to me.

In the end it is some guy in his house mixing powder, BA and some oil, but there are definitely trusted sources out there, even with the gov. passing laws cracking down on distribution.
 

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Quiksilver said:
Hey Alle Gory, how long have you been lifting for?

And why do you think you even need to take a cycle? Most guys in the gym would get better results from a change in their diet/training than they would just taking a cycle of test/dbol by itself.
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