Starting to see the SMV shift at 27 years old

[BeTheChange]

I'm recently joined POF again after ending a 3 year relationship.

When I last used POF properly I was a 23 year old post grad student. I found internet dating as frustrating as any other guy here.

Now I'm 27, with a budding career in finance and better looking than 4 years ago (looks and dress sense wise)

It's early days but I am definitely seeing a massive increase in interest, particularly from attractive women in the 26 to 29 years old range and often they are messaging me! I am also getting a MUCH better response rate from women I am messaging.

Not too sure what the point of this post is accept to remind the young guys out there that if you work on yourself professionally, financially and personally it does get easier because you are better.

 

[RangerMIke]

Wait til you get older. Women really don't care about your age as long as you take care of yourself and have a decent career, social status, and/or resources.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Tells guys women get easier as you get older, but you are on pof wtf.

 

[BeTheChange]

Tells guys women get easier as you get older, but you are on pof wtf.

One of many of my sources of finding women.

Having only got out of a 3 year relationship 10 days ago and now being back on the market I am seeing the huge differences in every area. The POF example was clearly illustrative of that. But you're on of the most negative users on this site and based on your post history you're an extremely frustrated (and low value) man so I don't expect this to resonate with you

 

[dustmuffin]

One of many of my sources of finding women.

Having only got out of a 3 year relationship 10 days ago and now being back on the market I am seeing the huge differences in every area. The POF example was clearly illustrative of that. But you're on of the most negative users on this site and based on your post history you're an extremely frustrated (and low value) man so I don't expect this to resonate with you

Try match. I have had very good luck and the women seem to be of better quality. Good for you that you are getting out and having success.

 

[Ambitious Player]

I quit on online dating a while ago.

Used to have some luck with Tinder a couple years ago but 2015 was horrible. A lot of the profiles of cute girls I would see had not logged on for weeks.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

I quit on online dating a while ago.

Used to have some luck with Tinder a couple years ago but 2015 was horrible. A lot of the profiles of cute girls I would see had not logged on for weeks.

I stopped using tinder because the girls sucked and I live 3 hours away.

 

[Poon King]

I'm recently joined POF again after ending a 3 year relationship.

When I last used POF properly I was a 23 year old post grad student. I found internet dating as frustrating as any other guy here.

Now I'm 27, with a budding career in finance and better looking than 4 years ago (looks and dress sense wise)

It's early days but I am definitely seeing a massive increase in interest, particularly from attractive women in the 26 to 29 years old range and often they are messaging me! I am also getting a MUCH better response rate from women I am messaging.

Not too sure what the point of this post is accept to remind the young guys out there that if you work on yourself professionally, financially and personally it does get easier because you are better.

Well of course. This is called female hypergamy.

Remember its around the late 20's where most men start to rise in their careers and gain higher social and economic status. Since all women care about is what you can do for them... a man who can do a lot will be very attractive.

The late 20's is also the age that a woman's sexual market value starts to drop for the first time in her life. For most women this is a very terrifying situation. Younger women start to gain a noticeable advantage and most women start to worry about their future. They feel the pressure to find a "good man" while they still can.

Dating is most difficult for men under age 25. After that, men gain the advantage and they keep the advantage for life since a woman's value drops literally with every breath she takes after age 25.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Wait til you get older. Women really don't care about your age as long as you take care of yourself and have a decent career, social status, and/or resources.

Well, they should care about the underlined part, but if you can get them before they hit their late 20's. most of them are still too irresponsible to be making wise choices in regard to men.

 

[RangerMIke]

Well, they should care about the underlined part, but if you can get them before they hit their late 20's. most of them are still too irresponsible to be making wise choices in regard to men.

The only difference between women in their 20s and older women is the older they get the fewer options they have. Since women are guided by their emotions it is VERY hard for them to logically and rationally think things through when they are younger. Logic and reason dictates that a woman in her early to mid 20s will have the HIGHEST SMV that she will ever have, and dictates this is the best time for them to lock down the best possible man. But alas.. they are emotional... and they will typically mess this up.

 

[Bible_Belt]

But alas.. they are emotional... and they will typically mess this up.

Advantage: me....because I don't have any of that sh!t I underlined. It's a lot of work to be a good choice for a woman. I'd rather just exploit young girls making poor decisions because they are young and stupid.

 

[Who Dares Win]

But alas.. they are emotional... and they will typically mess this up.

Advantage: me....because I don't have any of that sh!t I underlined. It's a lot of work to be a good choice for a woman. I'd rather just exploit young girls making poor decisions because they are young and stupid.

Agree on that, much less stress and work plus no change in my plans needed.

 

[Ambitious Player]

I think people on this thread are seriously underestimating the value of a woman in her 30s who is fit, that kind of a woman is still going to have a lot of options. The whole hot girl running out of options as soon as she turns 30 myth is simply that, a myth. A woman in her 30s who has looked after her appearance and not let herself go has a ton of options. You think that some investment banker, doctor, or lawyer around her age is only going to chase after younger women in their early 20s? Not a chance, most of those guys lack the game, lifestyle, and means to be appealing to that age group. A lot of those guys are going to be simps for the 30 something woman that kept herself in great shape and she is going to have her choice of overworked spineless simps that will go out of their way to make her a part of their life.

 

[BeTheChange]

^ Personally I would still class that as beta bucks. Not exactly the desirable alpha...money is only part of the equation.

 

[Desdinova]

I think people on this thread are seriously underestimating the value of a woman in her 30s who is fit, that kind of a woman is still going to have a lot of options. The whole hot girl running out of options as soon as she turns 30 myth is simply that, a myth. A woman in her 30s who has looked after her appearance and not let herself go has a ton of options.

This is correct. Women who are still attractive to some degree will still have many options. The biggest problem is that the options she has aren't what she desires. She still has that one ex who fvcked her both physically and emotionally, and is now absent from her life. She continues to look for a man to fill his shoes, but she will be looking for the rest of her life.

What makes women in the 27+ age bracket undesirable is the amount of damage and baggage they have. I don't want any of these used-up bytches for a long term partner. Give me a woman with a blank (or nearly blank) slate. I want all of her damage and baggage to be MY fault, not some other dude's fault.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

This is correct. Women who are still attractive to some degree will still have many options. The biggest problem is that the options she has aren't what she desires. She still has that one ex who fvcked her both physically and emotionally, and is now absent from her life. She continues to look for a man to fill his shoes, but she will be looking for the rest of her life.

What makes women in the 27+ age bracket undesirable is the amount of damage and baggage they have. I don't want any of these used-up bytches for a long term partner. Give me a woman with a blank (or nearly blank) slate. I want all of her damage and baggage to be MY fault, not some other dude's fault.

Is it possible for those train wreck 30-somethings to feel it for more than one dude at a time post-wall?

Mine was married for 11 years to an alpha and he was always around. She never got over him. I started as a very jealous beta rebound but myself got more alpha as it went along and that's why this went on for 4 years. Now we haven't spoken in a year. During my darkest hour my brother told me she'll never get over me either because I am 8 years younger, have traveled the world, and still have my best years ahead of me. He was unknowingly referencing the wall.

I guess I've never heard of "the two that got away." Unproductive use of time, but I know you can relate. No question she still has some options even now even at 35, with two kids, low skills, and a worn out body. But I have this crazy itch to know whether the day will really come full circle when she's 42 and I'm 34, because she was a cruel, sick person. I am still trying to process those middle 2 years 12 months later.

 

[Desdinova]

Is it possible for those train wreck 30-somethings to feel it for more than one dude at a time post-wall?

Of course it is. That why the high score list is a "list".

I guess I never heard of "the two that got away"

It happens when two guys are at the top of the list and are in very close proximity with their scores. The bytch who drove me here has that problem. I was clearly in a distant #2 spot for years until she tried to get back together for the third time, and has been trying for the past 5 years. With me no longer being an AFC, I just fvcked her emotionally and I've likely bumped that other dude out of the top spot. The poor girl is 35 now, and her looks are going downhill. I passed her up for someone over a decade younger than her.

 

[El Payaso]

Older women are also more desperate to have kids so they're looking for the most successful man they can secure who will be able to provide for said kids and her.

 

[_sideways_]

But alas.. they are emotional... and they will typically mess this up.

Advantage: me....because I don't have any of that sh!t I underlined. It's a lot of work to be a good choice for a woman. I'd rather just exploit young girls making poor decisions because they are young and stupid.

Exploit?
Does that mean ruin?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

What's always most interesting to me when I read posts such as OP's or just happen to come across singles ads by women on these various sites these days because I'm bored and it helps give me the perspective of what single guys are having to deal with these days, the one common theme I notice in the majority of the ads is that the careers these women are in are dead-ends. Now I said majority...like 95%. Yes, I have seen a few ads where the woman seems to have an upwardly mobile career already in place AND is above a 6 in looks...that's when I start getting into unicorn territory.

For the most part, almost all of these women are either secretaries, teachers, grad students in their late 20s cause they dont know what else to do, or some other crap that brings in crap income.

So of course not only are they faced with the life calling of the desires of wanting a kid, but also hitting the wall in terms of SMV, and they know their career is crap and they want a guy who has more money than they do....because they deserve a better lifestyle..right? Is it any wonder they're messaging decent looking guys like the OP and they're able to read in between the lines and can tell from short ad descriptions that this guy has a good career.

As for OP, I'd suggest enjoying it. Go nuts with pump and dump, dont take any s#it from any of these women and the first time they do it, kick their butt to the curb. There could be a reasonable chance you might actually find a good woman in all of that flak to have a LTR with.