SS patterns,etc. = wussy?

[Drug_L0rd]

I read up on all the different kind of patterns, etc. of the SSers, and i can't help but think "isn't this a little *****y? a little soft." i mean, look at the patterns and the way the SSers just talk with the girls.

for example, it works by finding out the chicks interests, e.g. she likes teddy bears

and you as the SSer, just to awake a potential in the girl to **** you start to act like a ***** and say something like:

"yea, i love teddy bears (when you really don't), don't you love it how they are so cuddly. and you just feel like kissing them and hugging them and holding them in your arms at night when you sleep. i specially like those huge ones you can find. you just feel like putting your head on its lap and sleeping. they're sooooo big."

ohh my god. seriousely though, doesn't that sound a little...gay coming out of say a guy who has the body and mind of a bouncer and suddenly when he talks changes his voice into a little 3 year old girl's. we're MEN, we do not operate on FEELINGS. girls like barbie dolls, cuddly things and soap operas. we like muscle cars, pvssy and pvssy and...pvssy, and did i mention pvssy?

you must have at least one friend who's one of those "don't give a ****" guys, who just walks up to a girl, you have no idea what the hell he says and gets her interested. he doesn't use patterns, hell, he doesn't even know any about speed seduction. so how come he gets the girls while we gotta learn SS?

hey, don't get me wrong. i love NLP and speed seduction. infact i'm currently reading up on a 100+ page book on NLP and it's teaching me a lot of things. but the only thing i find disturbing about SS (which is practically NLP costumized to fit seduction needs) is the patterns and changing yourself to fit THEIR needs.

for example take the post "Seductive Conversation" by xblitz44x. beautiful post, im not taking anything away from that.

it's weird, as i'm typing this a part of me is telling me "but don't you see, all boys (even the "jerk" with balls, that you know) does it, they just don't realize it, it's called "soft-****ing" the girl, and NLP and SS is just a very much more advanced version of it" and at the same time the other half of me is saying "but i'm certain that they don't, i think the reason why they get the girls is just, put simply, because they have nuts, they don't "soft-****", they step in, make their intentions know and step out. they simply dont give a sh!t. they just go up to a girl, say 'hey, wats up, where you from,etc.' and end up with saying 'wats your number mandy?'

it's just...ok read this part of the post:

Make her FEEL things that other guys have NEVER made her feel. You can do this by describing an experience that she enjoys. Lets take the skiing example again. You could say something like this:

"We'll go skiing sometime..haha. Wouldn't that be awesome, picture it right now. We'd get up early, get some good breakfast. Go to the mountain, bundled up trying to stay warm. The BEST feeling though, as to be when we're at the very top of the mountain, looking down at what we're about to experience. The adrenaline is rushing through your body. And 10 seconds later you feel the excitement as you are whipping down the hill, the cold air blowing at your face."

we men are just naturally not like that. we're not based on feeling. we dont do that. is it just me, or does someone else here understand wat i'm saying?

that voice is kicking in agian in my head, it's sayin 'but don't you see that's what those "playas" do. they become like the chick, they like the same things, only they don't realize it" but the other voice is sayin "nahh, there's something i can't put my finger on but that's not quite the explanation" i don't know who to listen to.

ok, what i'm trying to say is i've never heard anyone go that deep in. for example "the adrenaline is rushing through you body. and 10 seconds later you feel the excitement as youare whipping down the hill, the cold air blowing at your face."

you're not reading a poem to her, your just talking. can youse see where i'm coming from?

all i think is:

be fun, be cool, relax, apply kino, apply C&F especially with the uptight ones and have fun at her expense and that should do the job.

 

[REDblueOI]

They key to good patterning [they dont teach you this, they'd loose money] is that you only say patterns you are FEELING. So you only say patterns you agree with, that you can connect with as well as her.

 

[donshawv]

ross jeffries

speed seduction = gay waste of money. NLP is placebo bullsh#t

 

[fragmentor]

Re: ross jeffries

Originally posted by donshawv
speed seduction = gay waste of money. NLP is placebo bullsh#t

Your wrong. I've seen Ross Jeffries in action and it works. However, it's quite a lot different in high school.

 

[Jester]

SS certainly works, but im not desperate enough to use it.

haha

 

[Brazilian_Blues_Boy]

Originally posted by donshawv
speed seduction = gay waste of money. NLP is placebo bullsh#t

Well, someone here needs a little Reframing

NLP kicks some serious ass, as long as you practice it for real, and be very persistent, the greater results don't come easily...
And NLP is everywhere today... just today I found an NLP book in a supermarket !!

Speed Seduction, once you understand why it works and how it really works, it a powerful thing. You always think twice before opening your mouth.

And sometimes, just kino/c&f/being cool isn't enough. SS gives you the opportunity to nail almost ANY woman you may want.

Isn't it a good idea to have this power, and still be ****y and funny and DJ, instead of only having your DJ attitude ??

In NLP you learn that the more options you have, the bigger is the possibility of you succed.

Women work differently than us. That's why SS sounds like a bunch of gay poetry for us... I used to think it myself, until I started trying and got the dog dinner bowl look, and girls telling me how sweet and wonderful were the things that I said... and they relate it to their own personal experiences... which makes it even stronger...

Once you understand, try, and learn from your mistakes, you can see how it is cool...

BBB

 

[strong like bull]

using the search feature, find posts by Pook. he is an advocate of being... a man and making women put him on the pedestal. he somewhat disagrees with ss/nlp - read his posts to see what i mean.

pooks "methods" fit with my personality, which is why i like them. id much rather be myself, a c&f alpha-ish male who naturally draws ladies than someone who spins prefabricated stories and scripts. i understand that SS/NLP will take you to the next level, but staying true to myself is more important than any pvssy.

 

[Green Curse]

i find this interesting because it's the first real split in thoeries and some are inclined to follow one or the other.

however i'd like to see a guy get a girl with this at the same time as trying to resist punching himself in the stomach for saying it in the first place!

"yea, i love teddy bears (when you really don't), don't you love it how they are so cuddly. and you just feel like kissing them and hugging them and holding them in your arms at night when you sleep. i specially like those huge ones you can find. you just feel like putting your head on its lap and sleeping. they're sooooo big."

 

[dbot]

You may feel like a pu$$y when ur getting all emotional running patterns, but you'll quickly get over it once you start realizing that you can lay chicks within a couple hours of meeting them

And yes, many people, including Pook, disagree with SS/NLP, but not because it doesn't work, but because they would rather use conventional methods of getting girls.

 

[Drug_L0rd]

the reason why i posted this is because i actually do try to throw in some NLP/SS when i'm picking up. i've only started learning really. but what's more important to me is this:

(taken from my first post)
"it's weird, as i'm typing this a part of me is telling me "but don't you see, all boys (even the "jerk" with balls, that you know) does it, they just don't realize it, it's called "soft-****ing" the girl, and NLP and SS is just a very much more advanced version of it" and at the same time the other half of me is saying "but i'm certain that they don't, i think the reason why they get the girls is just, put simply, because they have nuts, they don't "soft-c0ck", they step in, make their intentions know and step out. they simply dont give a sh!t. they just go up to a girl, say 'hey, wats up, where you from,etc.' and end up with saying 'wats your number mandy?'

later, near the end of the post:

"that voice is kicking in agian in my head, it's sayin 'but don't you see that's what those "playas" do. they become like the chick, they like the same things, only they don't realize it" but the other voice is sayin "nahh, there's something i can't put my finger on but that's not quite the explanation" i don't know who to listen to."

those are basically my main points, the things those two sides of me are saying.

 

[Superman X]

"yea, i love teddy bears (when you really don't), don't you love it how they are so cuddly. and you just feel like kissing them and hugging them and holding them in your arms at night when you sleep. i specially like those huge ones you can find. you just feel like putting your head on its lap and sleeping. they're sooooo big."

This is not a pattern. The only embedded commmands in there are to feel like kissing and hugging and putting her head on the lap of a giant teddy bear. It doesn't get her to imagine anything either. Read some real patterns here
www.pickupguide.com/layguide

-GF

 

[Drug_L0rd]

omg, i know its not a pattern.

you missed the point.

i know what patterns are and what they are supposed to do.

what that statement says is basically what a MAN using a pattern on a chick who likes teddy bears (this is an EXAMPLE) is basically saying to her. there's also a bit of what called, humor, mixed in that statement.

 

[cant think of a user name]

Originally posted by strong like bull
...id much rather be myself, a c&f alpha-ish male who naturally draws ladies than someone who spins prefabricated stories and scripts. i understand that SS/NLP will take you to the next level, but staying true to myself is more important than any pvssy.

Exactly.

 

[Superman X]

You can't tell if someone is kidding over the internet. And I still don't get it, how is that supposed to be funny.