Spent a day on Loveshack...

[Warrior74]

Just for the hell of it. Never been on that site before. Wow, that place makes this place look like zenmack. Feminist, misandrist, afcs and mangina's galore. The few guys who give any decent advice get smacked down and ridiculed, and you always have women pushing advice that will only make things worse. Terrible business over there. Sosuave ain't perfect, but it ain't that.

 

[Solomon]

Sosuave is hands down one of the best sites on here if you filter through the garbage there is tons of Jewels

You don't have any guru/teacher affiliation so you don't get the **** sucking that's associated with most schools were someone is trying to sell you a product. I've gone to other sites and if you don't agree with their "teacher" or logic, you will get ridiculed, **** paying $2000 for a bootcamp or a $100 for ebook not worth it

The Bible is priceless within itself

what this site needs more of is field reports like a couple years ago when I first started......when guys like Snowplow, Jon24, Macallik, Noob, etc etc had the Don Juan section on smash(hell even Duff posted a field report back then)

Peace

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Heheh,..

Do a general thread search here for "Love Shack".

Enjoy.

 

[Colossus]

No offense to the Zenmack crew, but I'm not paying to join a fvcking message board. Even if it's only $15, it's the principle. He's just another guy selling something. "buy my eBook, buy my seminars, buy my DVDs"....

Sosuave is great because it's an open board. It's free, not affiliated with any self-appointed "guru", and it doesn't pimp products. The key is, instead of b!tching about crappy posts, KBJ members, etc...just respond to what interests you and move on. Don't feed the negativity.

NextLevelGame has some cool members, although it's a smaller board and has a pretty low post turnover. I guess that's good and bad.

 

[KarmaSutra]

Heheh,..

Do a general thread search here for "Love Shack".

Enjoy.

Good times, good times!

 

[yuppaz]

Actually I read some of those threads and think that when the women are discussing issues with men that it's freakin golden. When a girl is giving a guy advice...nope, but when she complains that she was seeing a guy and he stops contact, then she loses it and sleeps with him the next time she sees him...BINGO baby!

 

[Warrior74]

Sosuave is hands down one of the best sites on here if you filter through the garbage there is tons of Jewels

That's the problem. filtering through the garbage. This place has high signal to noise, but love shack is mostly all noise.

You don't have any guru/teacher affiliation so you don't get the **** sucking that's associated with most schools were someone is trying to sell you a product. I've gone to other sites and if you don't agree with their "teacher" or logic, you will get ridiculed, **** paying $2000 for a bootcamp or a $100 for ebook not worth it

If you go to a dojo, and you try to tell the teacher how to throw a punch and you constantly keep challenging his teachings, what exactly would you expect him to do? If you are training for kickboxing, the coach doesn't want to hear about your jujitsu lessons and how you think jujitsu is a better way. That's just common sense man. Your calculus teacher doesn't want to hear about your algebra problems. You are there to learn their way. Not there to teach them yours. Hubris. Now, the key is to learn several ways and then form your own style. Be like water my friend as bruce says. Somethings are worth what you pay for them. Some things are not.

The Bible is priceless within itself

this. I agree. Half of the post here wouldn't have to be made if it was mandatory to read the bible before being allowed to post.

what this site needs more of is field reports like a couple years ago when I first started......when guys like Snowplow, Jon24, Macallik, Noob, etc etc had the Don Juan section on smash(hell even Duff posted a field report back then)

Peace

I agree with that 100. Peace.

No offense to the Zenmack crew, but I'm not paying to join a fvcking message board. Even if it's only $15, it's the principle. He's just another guy selling something. "buy my eBook, buy my seminars, buy my DVDs"....

It's up to 15? Did not know that.

Sosuave is great because it's an open board. It's free, not affiliated with any self-appointed "guru", and it doesn't pimp products. The key is, instead of b!tching about crappy posts, KBJ members, etc...just respond to what interests you and move on. Don't feed the negativity.

I'll address that first sentence later.
I agree with you, respond what interest you and move on. Most people get their feelings caught up in it.

NextLevelGame has some cool members, although it's a smaller board and has a pretty low post turnover. I guess that's good and bad.

Never been to next level game. Might have to check it out.


I'm going to say this about zenmack and then I'm done on that topic. I found Supreme's stuff over on fastseduction.com he was the only one teach real life game that actually applied to what I was dealing with. His style of game, from the pimp/mack/player style, fit my style a whole lot better than the whole PUA running up in girls faces and spitting scripts. I have most of his old free shows and his master ebook which basically sums up all of his teachings in a nutshell.

I'm a business owner. I really don't see the problem with paying for what you want. I could learn how to do taxes by spending months and months on tons of free tax forums and sites or I can take a quick class and get the direct attention and focus on my problems and be done in time for tax season. I look at it as purchasing a service. If it doesn't do what I need, then I won't buy it.

There is a saying in the pimp game, which is true in life. The game is to be sold, not told. That's what books, classes, colleges and universities do. They sell the game not tell the game.

And as a business owner I can tell you, people rarely take things seriously that they get for free. You get guys coming here everyday who refuse to read the bible but will go pay for a bootcamp. That's just human nature. What's free is disdained, what has a price tag becomes more valuable. In fact, it seems the more you charge for your services the more people value what you do. I found when I raised my prices on my business, I ended up with a better clientele who wanted exactly what I was offering and I had less headaches from those clients.

I'm not on the zenmack forums anymore, but I always pushed Supreme to monetize his operation. I told him what he was selling was worth more than he was selling it for. And it is. Hell, he gave away everything on his free podcast and free forums, so if you were there then, you really have everything he had to offer. I know he's moving in some new directions now, but I got what I needed at the time I needed it, I didn't mind 5 bucks a month for that, I spend more than that on cigarettes. Knowledge is valuable. Time is valuable. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Spending all day answering questions, coaching people, making podcast and videos...after awhile you need to be getting a check for that kind of time spent. I love what I do for a living but I am not gonna do it for free (well for my friends and family, but everyone else has to pay)

The main thing I liked about zenmack, because it was a closed forum, you developed a bootcamp mentality. It was less noise, off-topic stuff got shut down, random bullsh*t post got shut down. It kept the focus on what you were trying to achieve and I think it helped a lot of guys not get sidetracked into useless debates. Now when things did flare up, it got ruff, but if you got a bunch of men in a room you gotta expect that. It was always squashed quickly. You also had to show and prove. Not doing the exercises, you get called out, not going out sarging, you get called out. Not getting your gear and clothing on, you get called out. Some guys need that sort of push to keep them motivated in the game.

I notice that the people who attack sites like that the most are the ones who never actually checked it out, 100 percent. They found some little key thing to hang their hate on and then dismissed it out of hand. I'm not saying zenmack is perfect, its not, it has its faults, but as a tool to focus up in the game and get some good feedback from people who are at your same level and above with low noise, It's good for the price. Or at least it was when I was on it. I'd have to get some other guys who are on there now to tell you how it is now.

That's my final statements on it. It's not much else I can say. Except that loveshack sucks.

 

[wjh]

There is a saying in the pimp game, which is true in life. The game is to be sold, not told. That's what books, classes, colleges and universities do. They sell the game not tell the game.

Here's another saying; If it's worth doing for free, it's worth doing for money. I don't think there's any sort of moral reasoning against investing your time to not only help people, but get something back in return. If the product is that good, it will reach a market that will gladly pay for it. And, if it's THAT good, because you've profited from it as well, you'll be even more incentivized to develop new and/or better material, to focus your energy even more, and help more people.

All I would add is that it's buyer-beware.

 

[Solomon]

Zenmack is without question the best seduction forum on the Internet. Your game will grow more in one month there than 10 years here listening to virgin KBJ's "gurus" sitting in their underoos posting endless theories using buzz words like honor, code, morality, jesus, fidelity, abundance, frame, committment, blah blah; and posts on "15 ways to hold her hand":crazy: thinking you are going to transform from asperger poster child to a player having his diick sucked by young, big tittied club hoes.

But, if you look at NLG and see a forum where the men (and I use the term loosely) are pushing daily to grow and moving up the sexual ladder instead of the circle jerk, multiple personality disorder, iqqi catharsis, therapy session excuse for not actually getting laid it is, then you wouldn't last one day at Zenmack anyways so save the $5 a month.

Wish I could agree on that, the first time I checked that forum out there was 3 page thread bashing me, when I never posted there, yeah that's a great way to get members bash people that don't even post there(that's not good business it's actually dumb business if you asks me)

NLG--is very good you have Fingz there, and everyone knows this guy gets it in, on top of that A-unit who use to post here is slept on, anyone who thinks that "framing" and topics such as that don't matter should read his posts the guy is like Rollo except times 2. Vulpine holds it down with the FR's and Mikeyyikes might be one of the most underrated posters on the net, can't forget Squirles/Dong Fu as well. Amante Silverste is also Master Don juan and has personally helped me elevate my game. The thing is you don't get silly posts like "she "Girls Poke tongue out at you" or "Should I text her or what" (go look these are actually topics made here in the last two days...*cringes*)

RSD--I don't agree with some of their stuff, but hands down one of the best boards in this community. Their mindset is light years ahead most forums, personally I'm not surprised if Pook posts there undercover. These guys love to talk theory and KBJ but as much as they do, they also back it up by going on the field. Their attitude about women though is what gets me these guys truly have a passion for gaming You'll see guys post FR's with video footage/pics etc etc,. Some of the topics they discuss are reminisce of this forum back it's prime when Pook and Sexpdx and them use to duke it out.


my 02. cents

 

[Warrior74]

Wish I could agree on that, the first time I checked that forum out there was 3 page thread bashing me, when I never posted there, yeah that's a great way to get members bash people that don't even post there(that's not good business it's actually dumb business if you asks me)

You know exactly why that was. You guys had beef. Now I don't agree with other people jumping into it, which is why I stayed out of it. It's not my beef. I don't have to defend a position, I just have to do is what works for me. If it doesn't work for others...that's cool. Different horses for different courses. But you are always gonna have those who follow.. Anybody teaching is gonna have hardcore followers who will jump on bandwagons.

Personally I probably would have just ignored you and went on with what I was doing. I don't really address beefs. I'd rather just live better, longer and richer and out perform my enemies instead of going to war with them. War is for fighting over food, family and money, otherwise its never good for business.

 

[Solomon]

You know exactly why that was. You guys had beef. Now I don't agree with other people jumping into it, which is why I stayed out of it. It's not my beef. I don't have to defend a position, I just have to do is what works for me. If it doesn't work for others...that's cool. Different horses for different courses. But you are always gonna have those who follow.. Anybody teaching is gonna have hardcore followers who will jump on bandwagons.

Personally I probably would have just ignored you and went on with what I was doing. I don't really address beefs. I'd rather just live better, longer and richer and out perform my enemies instead of going to war with them. War is for fighting over food, family and money, otherwise its never good for business.

Hence I have no issues with you....
@ the end of the day though I wish the old man would have gone about things differently. To be a good business man you have to reach out to people in a positive manner, if you don't agree with someone then don't **** with them or try to understand why they do what they do. But you don't bash another business without proper cause or knowing what they about. That's ignroance.

@The end of the day you stand up for what you belive in and don't take shiit from anyone or you fall for nothing, @ the end whether he admits or not he respects me for that, because that's one of the things he teaches, not to take **** from anyone

peace

 

[Warrior74]

Hence I have no issues with you....
@ the end of the day though I wish the old man would have gone about things differently. To be a good business man you have to reach out to people in a positive manner, if you don't agree with someone then don't **** with them or try to understand why they do what they do. But you don't bash another business without proper cause or knowing what they about. That's ignroance.

@The end of the day you stand up for what you belive in and don't take shiit from anyone or you fall for nothing, @ the end whether he admits or not he respects me for that, because that's one of the things he teaches, not to take **** from anyone

peace

no doubt. It's one thing to disagree on techniques and schools of thoughts on the game. It's another thing to take it to the race level and to diss you for having white friends. I saw some major hypocrisy in that. Seeing as his best friend is a white guy and most of his clients are white or asian.

 

[Colossus]

I'm going to say this about zenmack and then I'm done on that topic. I found Supreme's stuff over on fastseduction.com he was the only one teach real life game that actually applied to what I was dealing with. His style of game, from the pimp/mack/player style, fit my style a whole lot better than the whole PUA running up in girls faces and spitting scripts. I have most of his old free shows and his master ebook which basically sums up all of his teachings in a nutshell.

I'm a business owner. I really don't see the problem with paying for what you want. I could learn how to do taxes by spending months and months on tons of free tax forums and sites or I can take a quick class and get the direct attention and focus on my problems and be done in time for tax season. I look at it as purchasing a service. If it doesn't do what I need, then I won't buy it.

There is a saying in the pimp game, which is true in life. The game is to be sold, not told. That's what books, classes, colleges and universities do. They sell the game not tell the game.

And as a business owner I can tell you, people rarely take things seriously that they get for free. You get guys coming here everyday who refuse to read the bible but will go pay for a bootcamp. That's just human nature. What's free is disdained, what has a price tag becomes more valuable. In fact, it seems the more you charge for your services the more people value what you do. I found when I raised my prices on my business, I ended up with a better clientele who wanted exactly what I was offering and I had less headaches from those clients.

I'm not on the zenmack forums anymore, but I always pushed Supreme to monetize his operation. I told him what he was selling was worth more than he was selling it for. And it is. Hell, he gave away everything on his free podcast and free forums, so if you were there then, you really have everything he had to offer. I know he's moving in some new directions now, but I got what I needed at the time I needed it, I didn't mind 5 bucks a month for that, I spend more than that on cigarettes. Knowledge is valuable. Time is valuable. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. Spending all day answering questions, coaching people, making podcast and videos...after awhile you need to be getting a check for that kind of time spent. I love what I do for a living but I am not gonna do it for free (well for my friends and family, but everyone else has to pay)

The main thing I liked about zenmack, because it was a closed forum, you developed a bootcamp mentality. It was less noise, off-topic stuff got shut down, random bullsh*t post got shut down. It kept the focus on what you were trying to achieve and I think it helped a lot of guys not get sidetracked into useless debates. Now when things did flare up, it got ruff, but if you got a bunch of men in a room you gotta expect that. It was always squashed quickly. You also had to show and prove. Not doing the exercises, you get called out, not going out sarging, you get called out. Not getting your gear and clothing on, you get called out. Some guys need that sort of push to keep them motivated in the game.

I notice that the people who attack sites like that the most are the ones who never actually checked it out, 100 percent. They found some little key thing to hang their hate on and then dismissed it out of hand. I'm not saying zenmack is perfect, its not, it has its faults, but as a tool to focus up in the game and get some good feedback from people who are at your same level and above with low noise, It's good for the price. Or at least it was when I was on it. I'd have to get some other guys who are on there now to tell you how it is now.

That's my final statements on it. It's not much else I can say. Except that loveshack sucks.

I see your point, some things are worth paying for. And you are correct, I'll admit Ive never really checked out Zenmack, aside from a quick browse. I just found it ridiculous to pay to join a message board. But, the price is cheap; I mean lunch in the city costs $10 bucks. It seems a lot of guys like it, so I guess I'll withhold any further judgment until I see for myself.

 

[Colossus]

Zenmack is without question the best seduction forum on the Internet. Your game will grow more in one month there than 10 years here listening to virgin KBJ's "gurus" sitting in their underoos posting endless theories using buzz words like honor, code, morality, jesus, fidelity, abundance, frame, committment, blah blah; and posts on "15 ways to hold her hand":crazy: thinking you are going to transform from asperger poster child to a player having his diick sucked by young, big tittied club hoes.

But, if you look at NLG and see a forum where the men (and I use the term loosely) are pushing daily to grow and moving up the sexual ladder instead of the circle jerk, multiple personality disorder, iqqi catharsis, therapy session excuse for not actually getting laid it is, then you wouldn't last one day at Zenmack anyways so save the $5 a month.

Lol at the "asperger poster child"


I like a few of the posters at NLG. Fingz, BB, Joekerr, and a few others are good chaps. Admittedly I don't really post there, but they got their own thing going on and that's cool with me. Sosuave has it's drawbacks.

 

[Ufcrocks1969]

Loveshack is such a horrible since. Some do give decent advice however most can't give advice. Lots of mangina. I eventually got banned for linking a video and posting hooker. Apparently hooker is name calling? it wasn't directed at anyone. The site is a mess I read in on their site I can use url as signature at their desertion yet I get a warning I can't do that.



Not to brag or anything I was giving good advice but the stupid people there was telling him it was impossible to change or the person need to go to years of therapy. In the end I helped the lad with suggestion two books and he's already doing much better.

Most people on there are just a waste of text. I'm glad i got banned from there anyways it was getting too much. Oh yeah the man haters were getting annoying too.

 

[Married Buried]

I got banned from loveshack just for telling a story about how I used a fat chic for some dome.