Sosuave? Mystery? David D? Who's got it right?

[IamtheAlphamale]

From what I've seen it seems to me like the dj bible in here seems to be the hardest of all to understand and implement but once you understand it then everything changes. Personally for me I'd vote for what I have learned from Pook and the DJ Bible to be the trump of all this stuff... What do you guys think?

Personally I have NEVER met one person who used David D's stuff that was actually good with girls. They just seemed to be doing things because thats what they were supposed to be doing and not just being a man.

I started reading some of Mystery's stuff last night and it was nothing new for me at all.

Anyways... whats your take guys? Are they really just all the same or what? Also feel free to include anyone I missed.

 

[kokane]

You missed ross jeffries. But most of his teaching doesnt teach you to be a Man. But i sing your tune mate. Pook and dj bible rocks. But you should go through Senor Fingers' posts too. Amazing stuff.

 

[strong like bull]

hahaha ross jeffries... theres a name i havent heard in forever.

the most important thing to keep in mind is that there are many paths you can take. much like martial arts, theres many different "schools" of thought. all stemming from different points of origin, different beliefs. there isnt so much a right or wrong, but what style fits YOU best.

for me, the pook and gunwitch types were spot on. the sigs at the bottom of my post sum it up - dating and attraction is such a natural process. it only makes things worse to over-complicate it and turn it into a full fledged research project. plus (and this is where pook comes in) being men, also the prize, we should be too busy living our lives to fuss over such things.

imo the 'natural' game is right on. read some of Rollo Tomassi's posts with the intention of understanding his concepts of frame control. essentially the concept of being a man, in control of your life and everything in it, including the girl. sorry, but focusing on NLP or scripts or all those canned routines adds up to you STILL putting woman on the pedestal. because youre focus is STILL on how to please her, how to entertain her.. which translates into still partly being that supplicating boy that most guys were when they came here...

whereas the natural style would have you focus on your own interests, your own desires, developing yourself and building upon your visions and striving to hit your goals of life. that ambitious, driven man needn't worry about scripts and phony lines. he knows where he is going in life. all of that equates to a deep, inner strength and confidence that can never be impersonated for long. and girls are drawn to his strength. they know he is a prize to be won - and will try to qualify themselves at his feet for his attention. he doesnt have the care or the time to play silly games with women or put up with their ****... either theyre on board, or not.


like i said, different schools of thought for different people. but i for one prefer the natural way of doing things.

-slb

 

[BongDuy]

what are these other styles? i've heard of "Mystery" from speer's forums, but i couldn't find it directly.

 

[Thyme]

if you had read 'the game' by neil strauss you would be familiar with mystery. mystery was one of the original pua's out there and came up with a lot of the terms we use ie 'set'. he wrote a handbook that basically made picking up women a science and wrote each step in depth. hes very routine based and kinda canned.

ross jeffries, from what i know, plays a lot off of a womans emotions and uses them to manipulate how the woman feels about you. anchoring is the main thing that i think is assosiated with him (anchoring is when a woman relates a certain feeling with you)

david deangelo wrote double your dating. he is all about ****y funny. i personally like his stuff.

the last one that was failed to mention (i think) and is very influential in our world is RSD and tyler durden. they are all about being naturals and gettting away from canned material.

its all interesting stuff and i completely agree with 'strong like bull'. honestly, all of these different approaches will work with a good percentage of women. its just about what fits your personality best.

 

[TheWayOfAllFlesh]

I go for Mystery. Mainly because I'm a visual learner and get bored of reading

His reality series really put things into an easier perspective for me

 

[Nexus Polaris]

I think they all work to varying degrees, but personally I've gotten more out of the DJ Bible as well.

As least thus far.

 

[Nutz]

From what I've seen it seems to me like the dj bible in here seems to be the hardest of all to understand and implement but once you understand it then everything changes. Personally for me I'd vote for what I have learned from Pook and the DJ Bible to be the trump of all this stuff... What do you guys think?

Personally I have NEVER met one person who used David D's stuff that was actually good with girls. They just seemed to be doing things because thats what they were supposed to be doing and not just being a man.

I started reading some of Mystery's stuff last night and it was nothing new for me at all.

Anyways... whats your take guys? Are they really just all the same or what? Also feel free to include anyone I missed.

Read this. It'll answer all your questions/concerns:

http://www.fastseduction.com/whatsnew/featured/2009/06/2009-06-23a.shtml

 

[Captain]

Most of the attraction systems are the same basics (body language, be an alpha male), with a few gimmicks and tricks on top (Mystery's structure, David DeAngelo's ****y & Funny). The basics are all you need, once you've got them down, you need to go out and get experience, find out what works best for you.

 

[IKO69]

Neither of them. If deep down your personality isn't congruent with what what they are telling you to do, it won't work. These sources can give you general pointers (aka don't smother a girl) but you ultimately have to go at it alone. That way you find out what works and what doesn't.

 

[f283000]

NOTHING WORKS 100% OF THE TIME FOR 100% OF THE PEOPLE!

Some people can have success with the systems you mentioned, others won't. What works for others might not work for you. No system is the "true system" all of them have their merits, all have tactics that you can use and apply to your game.

I personally stated out with the mystery method. The mystery method is so advanced it makes women seem like engineering projects. Most women to me are not worth the time it would have taken me to memorize and master the mystery method. You need to find a system that works for you rather than you trying to work a system that you can't perform well at or don't like.

What the mystery method did for me is give me knowledge about women and it got me approaching for the first time and for that I am thankful to it. That increased my confidence and i started reading David D's stuff then other methods and started developing my own style with things I learned from the systems I read. The methods and systems out there are great for beginners because it gets them basic knowledge and motivation to start out.

 

[Masked_angel]

From what I've seen it seems to me like the dj bible in here seems to be the hardest of all to understand and implement but once you understand it then everything changes. Personally for me I'd vote for what I have learned from Pook and the DJ Bible to be the trump of all this stuff... What do you guys think?

Personally I have NEVER met one person who used David D's stuff that was actually good with girls. They just seemed to be doing things because thats what they were supposed to be doing and not just being a man.

I started reading some of Mystery's stuff last night and it was nothing new for me at all.

Anyways... whats your take guys? Are they really just all the same or what? Also feel free to include anyone I missed.

Gunwitch - way of gun, David X and swinggcat are fantastic teacher, I recommend you check them out

Best regards
Masked_angel