Social Dilemma

[Desert Fox]

The great social dilemma...here it is guys.

Here's what I'm struggling with.

I have different views than other people. aka the masses of misinformed or ignorant sheep that make up the bulk of our society.

Should I:

a) call these b1tches out on their idiocy and reveal to them just how dumb they are?

or

b) keep manipulating them and agreeing with them so you can control them when you need support for something like an election?

i am currently doing b. over the last 2 years i have a healthy "army" of people who trust me like no other because I say what they want to hear and they respect me because i have a very persuasive and amiable speaking style/personality.

but in reality i don't believe a word of what i am saying to them, kind of like politicians and lawyers. however recently i've felt the urge just to reveal their stupidity to them like some hidden camera show. i find it would be immensely satisfying in the short term, but most likely harmful in the long term.

if you plan on bringing up bullsh1t about morality in your response don't bother, i'll ignore you. thanks

 

[Rogue]

Law 9: Win through your Actions, Never through Argument
Any momentary triumph you think gained through argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you through your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.

Law 19: Know Who You’re Dealing with – Do Not Offend the Wrong Person
There are many different kinds of people in the world, and you can never assume that everyone will react to your strategies in the same way. Deceive or outmaneuver some people and they will spend the rest of their lives seeking revenge. They are wolves in lambs’ clothing. Choose your victims and opponents carefully, then – never offend or deceive the wrong person.

Law 27: Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following
People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

Law 32: Play to People’s Fantasies
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes for disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

Law 38: Think as you like but Behave like others
If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

 

[Desert Fox]

Law 9: Win through your Actions, Never through Argument
Any momentary triumph you think gained through argument is really a Pyrrhic victory: The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. It is much more powerful to get others to agree with you through your actions, without saying a word. Demonstrate, do not explicate.

Law 19: Know Who You’re Dealing with – Do Not Offend the Wrong Person
There are many different kinds of people in the world, and you can never assume that everyone will react to your strategies in the same way. Deceive or outmaneuver some people and they will spend the rest of their lives seeking revenge. They are wolves in lambs’ clothing. Choose your victims and opponents carefully, then – never offend or deceive the wrong person.

Law 27: Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following
People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

Law 32: Play to People’s Fantasies
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes for disenchantment. Life is so harsh and distressing that people who can manufacture romance or conjure up fantasy are like oases in the desert: Everyone flocks to them. There is great power in tapping into the fantasies of the masses.

Law 38: Think as you like but Behave like others
If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

This reminder was like a slap in the face to me. Thank you sir. I only had law 38 in mind when writing this...but yes, I should go back and skim this great book again. I should keep playing these fools for my own ambitions and motives. When they realize it it will be too late. :rockon:

 

[Rogue]

Just out of my curiosity, what are some of these stupidities which people believe in which you falsely profess agreement? I'm interested in knowing how it feels to essentially be a politician. As much as I would like to think myself as a guy of honesty, I know people care jack shyt about the truth.

 

[MikeBrown30]

I should keep playing these fools for my own ambitions and motives. When they realize it it will be too late. :rockon:

:crackup:

 

[Desert Fox]

Just out of my curiosity, what are some of these stupidities which people believe in which you falsely profess agreement? I'm interested in knowing how it feels to essentially be a politician. As much as I would like to think myself as a guy of honesty, I know people care jack shyt about the truth.

1. they think I am Christian. I simply pretend to be (officially I am, but I don't believe word of it and did it just to have access to a larger social group to manipulate) to get their support for funding issues I need votes for. I play the part, they think I'm the perfect christian, I don't drink, smoke, clean cut guy. not vulgar, etc. 95% of people here are catholic, christian, casual christian, etc.

2. world affairs/politics. these people think the news is 100% true about everything. i simply parrot what the news says, or survey the room and loudly proclaim whatever the majority seems to be supporting with lots of passion and hand movements. works every time. easy way to make friends and become leader of the room.

3. stupidity/mistakes. when people make mistakes, i honestly think they are retarded to have made such a simple mistake. but i smile, offer to thelp them in the future in front of everyone and tell them its not a huge deal and to just do better next time. in reality i put these idiots on a mental list to cut first if i need to cut people.

i want to add that in my field there are 2 factions. one is more "popular" and respected, but the other is more forceful and authoritative (fake or real doesn't matter). but both sides love me and I will 100% of the time whereas they win 50/50 at best.

4. their futures: i support their future and no matter how many times they have failed in their endeavors or how stupid and fruitless their plans may be i support them and say "hey i know you will succeed. i can see it in you. if you set your mind to it, you can do ANYTHING. and you knwo what? those peopel are really lucky that you're so dedicated. good luck." easy ****, i don't mean a word of it and it gets me support.

hmm what else, not sure what else. mainly i just pay attention to what the majority supports and i just go for that stance regardless of what i believe to get power and support. key thing here: never make compromises. nobody gives a damn about compromises aka getting half what they want. everyone wants it all. just go full force for the majority if that's what you need. in my case i just need a majority of support (a clear majority). if i can't get a clear majority, I just kind of stay vague on the topic, say i'm still thinking about it, and they have valid points (of course you would speak to both sides separately and say this). after that you would steer the topic to something the majority supports again and come out on top as the pack leader. rinse and repeat.

it gets boring and my rage at these idiots being all happy and easy to control builds up over time. so that's the reason for this post. but now i'm "reset" so to speak. my priorities are back in line. time to reel in the fish and collect my harvest.

 

[Desert Fox]

to sum that long post up, say what people want to hear, not what they need to hear.

 

[search1ng]

sounds...kind of evil and sociopathic...

whats the title of this book btw?

 

[Ease]

I think you've taken this too literally.

Were you abused as a child?

 

[synergy1]

I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish. You are just some regular dude who is placing too much importance on things in life that don't matter. At most, you come out of this trying to manipulate regular people, not people in power. Its like some kid who thinks they are the next Yellow Kid by conning a 4th grader out of his lunch money. Good for you...but its a 4th grader.

again, I don't see any merit in your over-analysis of your situation. Relax and enjoy life?

 

[Desert Fox]

book title is 42 or 48 or maybe 46 laws of power. robert greene is author. not all of it is good, but there are some good points.

i was not abused as a child. but i was abused as an adult :moon:

to others, thanks for your thoughts on what i'm doing, i really respect your opinions

 

[CaptainJ]

sounds...kind of evil and sociopathic...

whats the title of this book btw?

Title of book is "How to become an Evil Genius"

DesertFox, yes lying and manipulating people may pay off the in the short term, but in the long term, just think about who you are surrounding yourself with: spineless, simple minded morons who can't think for themselves. And what happens when the penny drops and you can't keep up the congruence of your fabrications?

Not to mention the fact that all your lies are actually pushing away people who have some value in your life: Imagine a guy with similar views to you hearing you agreeing with some nutter on the merits of sterilisation of the disabled, or any other crackbrained point, you'd drive them away.

I'll give some of my own experience: When i was discovering the truth about the world around us, I would often debate with friends and stir up sh1t. I quickly got bad rep as being stubborn and opinionated. So I quickly countered by learning the greatest art of social elegance: "The Art of Knowing when to Shut the Fvck up". This way i don't alienate people with narrow minds, and I maintain social control. But because I'm not conforming to any crackbrained ideas, I'm still open to people who share my views. By not conforming I also knew who were people i could cut loose and who I could hold onto as good quality and intellectual people. Also keeping your own views as a mystery gives you a very enigmatic personality. THIS is hugely important, as it adds an extra layer of charm to you. Many of my school teachers were fascinated with me (Especially the intelligent female ones), constantly asking probing questions about my life, plans and ambitions because I created an enigmatic level of charm to my personality and gave them teasing pieces of info to show my individuality. I believe this is a huge factor to your charisma.

Never forget that honesty is a huge asset. Intelligent people can tell the charlatan from the honest man. Would you rather remain a prince among paupers, or surround yourself with quality people?

 

[Ease]

to others, thanks for your thoughts on what i'm doing, i really respect your opinions

I see what you did there and i will take you down for it!

 

[Desert Fox]

responses in bold

Title of book is "How to become an Evil Genius"

DesertFox, yes lying and manipulating people may pay off the in the short term, but in the long term, just think about who you are surrounding yourself with: spineless, simple minded morons who can't think for themselves.

given that most of the world can be described as spinless simply minded moronic sheep, i'm taking the smarter route. if i were wrong about this and you were right, well, then politicians would be honest and transparent about their intentions. this isn't how the world works. what you have said here is feel good. it made me feel good. but beyond that there's no value.

And what happens when the penny drops and you can't keep up the congruence of your fabrications?

penny won't ever drop. people are too dumb and self absorbed to realize what is going on around them. if you agree with someone do they immediately think "WAIT A MINUTE why are you agreeing with me?" no. people think , "ah yes, validation for my core beliefs. i like this guy." and go on their merry way

Not to mention the fact that all your lies are actually pushing away people who have some value in your life: Imagine a guy with similar views to you hearing you agreeing with some nutter on the merits of sterilisation of the disabled, or any other crackbrained point, you'd drive them away.

again, being right has no value in this sphere. being loud and having lots of supporters is worth 100 "right" men anyday. those who do not act like me, but are smart and see the truth i also keep mental tabs on for future projects and purposes. i usually tag these people to do the truly important and difficult tasks i know they can perform well on.

I'll give some of my own experience: When i was discovering the truth about the world around us, I would often debate with friends and stir up sh1t. I quickly got bad rep as being stubborn and opinionated. So I quickly countered by learning the greatest art of social elegance: "The Art of Knowing when to Shut the Fvck up". This way i don't alienate people with narrow minds, and I maintain social control.

how is this different from what i'm doing? by shutting up you're agreeing with the consensus because you don't put your views forward. is this some kind of principle of yours? principles by the way are empty, worthless, and always replaceable. why not be like me and make something of your silence by actively molding people?

But because I'm not conforming to any crackbrained ideas, I'm still open to people who share my views. By not conforming I also knew who were people i could cut loose and who I could hold onto as good quality and intellectual people. Also keeping your own views as a mystery gives you a very enigmatic personality. THIS is hugely important, as it adds an extra layer of charm to you. Many of my school teachers were fascinated with me (Especially the intelligent female ones), constantly asking probing questions about my life, plans and ambitions because I created an enigmatic level of charm to my personality and gave them teasing pieces of info to show my individuality. I believe this is a huge factor to your charisma.

mystery and charisma? no. when you hear the word "mysterious" do you automatically think "charismatic?" i don't. and most people don't. most people think "secretive, scheming, unknown." i take the opposite approach. i am open about my beliefs, i hide nothing about my views, which i simply pluck from what they believe. i don't give off the impression that i know more or that i have a bigger plan, that defeats the purpose of this. you gotta act like one of them, be one of them, say you understand their views, concerns, etc. words are worth more than gold when controlling people

Never forget that honesty is a huge asset. Intelligent people can tell the charlatan from the honest man. Would you rather remain a prince among paupers, or surround yourself with quality people?

i'd rather have tangible power rather some vague, abstract (read: worthless) principle and feel good feeling of being surrounded by quality people. its not like i hang around them all the time. use them then drop them. they are disposable tools. if i want an intellectual conversation i'll go hang out with my friends interested in the same stuff.

 

[Rogue]

Desert Fox:
Book title is 42 or 48 or maybe 46 laws of power. robert greene is author. not all of it is good, but there are some good points.

What precisely are the less than valid points, of the 48 laws? To be sure, most of the laws are not actually laws. Most laws—all but six—have reversals, exceptions, of when you should behave opposite of the law or when the law doesn't even begin to apply.