So You're MGTOW/Red Pill.......What's NEXT?

[Tenacity]

I wanted to start a discussion (which I'm hoping will be a pretty good one) on what do you guys do after you go MGTOW? I referred to myself as MGTOW months ago, but honestly, I don't fit the definition of it because while I agree with aspects of the movement (such as the Family Court areas) I don't agree with most of it (such as branding women as all evil).

So here's my question to the guys who are MGTOW or Red Pill, what's next? You said you have found the secret treasure of truth in relation to women, how they act, their intentions, etc., etc., so what's next?

- Are you actually going to go your own WAY and never date women again? How can you date women when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?

- Can you handle never getting pvssy again for the rest of your life, or are you going to just screw escorts when you are horny? Or, are you going to go gay?

- Most of you are under 40 who talk about the MGTOW/Red Pill stuff, what do you do when you are over 40 and spinning plates isn't "cool" anymore?

- Do you not want to create kids, ever? If so, how can you do that with a woman when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?

What's next? That's what I want to know. Also, if you have gone your own way, why are you still on a site dedicated to discussing women/dating/relationships? If your "typical answer" is that you want to "help men", who is to say you are helping anybody with your spreading of MGTOW/Red Pill theories? What if in actuality you are taking a stove fire and turning it into a full-fledged house fire?

These are serious questions.

 

[wifehunter]

You either maintain, or become a pwhipped douche.

And, yes there are trustworthy ladies out there, but they're rare, or taken. I'm friends with two hb8-9 married ladies.

But, I agree alot of what I read about redpill/mgtow, is justified paranoia. But I say...Prepare for the worst, hope for the best!!!

Go be awesome!

 

[Jetleg]

I honestly don't dig this whole MGTW and red pill thing. i simply dont take women seriously anymore, ever.
It doesnt mean you need to stop dating women.

Even in a relationship, keep everything to your benefit, and never give them the option to hurt you or to take advantage of you.
Basically, keep them more attached then you are.

 

[SgtSplacker]

I accept women for the twisted reality they represent. And try my best to navigate their tests and childish attitudes. I'm Not giving up, I'm moving forward with knowledge and understanding.

 

[playa99]

You know what, this post comes at a perfect time for me....This will be my final activity on a thread here for a long time.

I am writing this post for no-one but myself!

The 'manosphere' has evolved significantly since me coming to SoSuave back in 2007. Back then this forum was about self improvement and gaming women.I didn't view it as a negative thing, infact I told one of my buddies about it. He turned out to be gay, which is quite ironic considering I tried to show him a website about seducing women!

On the whole I believe this site has declined in terms of the overall quality of advice & posters.

When I came here I don't remember ever seeing the term 'BPD' or 'red pill' or any other term. I find it bizarre how so many men can qualify there ex's as having mental illness's. It reeks of a lack of accountability.

If you are having issues in your life, not just with women, the book stops with you. When I was an AFC what happened to me was entirely my fault.
You can keep your side of the street clean.

I remember a post by Pook saying that what a poster believes about women, is generally a reflection of themselves. So the player believes women are toys to be played with and the nice guy sees women as sweet and innocent.

To call every man who enters into an LTR a 'beta male' is ridiculous. It is simply not true.There is no big-grand secret and all women are not evil. The fact that a lot of the extreme MGTOW red pill are so vehemently averse to relationships shows that they care too much about women.

I believe that social media and advances in technology have diluted the quality of poster on here. Most posters want to be anonymous on the whole, myself included. I get that this website would have more credence if everyone posted pictures of themselves and their women, but it simply isn't how this site is. You can tell the truthful people by the quality of advice given.. generally speaking.

There becomes a time where you've gotta take the training wheels off and start going it alone. I commend the posters who are here after 15+ years but I genuinely believe I've taken all I can from this website. I will still read the old posts to keep my mindset fresh, but thats it! Living life to the full is going to takeover my life!

I have loved this site over the years and it's given me a lot, but for now it has had its time in my life!

 

[Poon King]

I don't consider myself MGTOW. However.. a question like "What's next?" implies that there is nothing more to life than women.

Its like you go eat at a restaurant and enjoy yourself.. then you go on the Internet and post: "I just had a great meal. What's next guys? What do I do with my life now?"

There is more to life than women and I feel sorry for any man who doesn't get that. I understand that some men are only happy as emotional or physical slaves. Freedom and living a life of clarity is not for everyone. Some people just don't know what to do with themselves when they don't have some slavishly binding cause, ideology or contract to define their lives.

 

[Mike32ct]

Internet MGTOWs are ambivalent by nature. A true MGTOW or a guy that has given up on women completely and gone "monk mode" probably would not be discussing it online. He'd be working, traveling, and playing video games. You wouldn't hear anything from such a guy.

Guys that post online, even if they are virgins or in the worst possible dry spell, hold out some hope of finding someone. Even if they seem really negative.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

When I came here I don't remember ever seeing the term 'BPD' or 'red pill' or any other term. I find it bizarre how so many men can qualify there ex's as having mental illness's. It reeks of a lack of accountability.

No it doesn't.

Being surprised that a lot of men here talk about BPD is like being surprised that 100% of people at alcoholics anonymous are alcoholics, even though only 9% of the general population are alcoholics. This site is geared towards several types of men, one of which is the man scorned by very bad women. These website is like honey and we're the bees.

So even if only 3% of women are mentally ill, which is the estimate of the total percentage women diagnosd with BPD (but is likely a gross understatement due to massive underreporting), you shouldn't be surprised if half the men here claim to have dated one, because this website is not an honest cross section of society at large. Its a forum that appeals to the victims of these women and pops up on Page 1 when they Google "get my ex back" during the denial phase. So the law of averages doesn't really apply and that's why you see so many stories about these women.

 

[ubercat]

I'm not sure why people get so excited about the term red pill. it's just a shorthand term for understanding the nature of man and woman and how our society is structured. I'd consider myself a red pill guy but I certainly don't hate women. I've had plenty of LTRs and am in one now. to me it's just another 80 20 rule. 20% of women probably are an ok fit for you. if you have chosen well 80% of the time your woman is probably going to behave well. and you're going to have to know how to handle the other 20%. assuming that you have kept your end up ie know how to lead,. Have a house car job, a few friends and some interests. there's plenty of Internet material on married red pill. so explain to me why I have to be a Monk just because I'm not a sucker?

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Being Red Pill does not mean that you hate women. Red pill just means seeing the world as it really is and seeing women as they really are.

"...what do you do when you are over 40 and spinning plates isn't "cool" anymore? "
This doesn't make any sense to me. What does "cool" have to do with spinning plates? I'm in my late 50's and I spin plates.

"Do you not want to create kids, ever? If so, how can you do that with a woman when your MGTOW/Red Pill theories say you can't trust them?"
Having a Red Pill mindset greatly increases your chances of having a successful relationship and will improve your choice of the woman you choose to be the Mother of your children (if you choose to have children). So, in fact, the opposite is true. Knowing how things really are and the true nature of women will reduce your chances of getting screwed in Family court, having your kids stripped from you, divorce rape, etc.

-Augustus-

 

[sazc]

Interesting questions, I'll be interested to read all answers.
I can attest that the pendulum swings to the extremes on this board. Y'all discuss a common thread but vary widely on implementation, execution and follow thru. That's normal with a group this size.

 

[wolf]

I haven't dated for a while as I needed to work through the aftermath of my NPD/BPD dynamic that almost pushed me over the edge.
Finding the Redpill has helped me have a clear head with regard to women. My 'game' was always strong and I never had any trouble getting women so to speak it was just that NPD/BPD 'thing' that destroyed any blue pill way of thinking inside of me.

Women for me were always a way at trying to fill some unfillable empty black hole within myself. I was always an emotionally unavailable lothario and no amount of women were enough to fill my emptiness.

Recovering from my own CPTSD and childhood wounds that my NPD/BPD dynamic bought to light I no longer feel 'empty'. This puts me in a situation where I am ready to move forward by myself for myself.

I start my new job on Monday and I will hopefully be debt free by the summer. I will hopefully find a good woman to settle down with one day but for now I am focusing on 'me' and growing/evolving myself. The most important thing I have learned with women is when to walk away. Never put yourself last and never let yourself be emasculated.

Casual dating just doesn't do it for me anymore but maybe that will change. All I know is that if it does I will be ready.

That is what the redpill/mgtow means to me.

 

[Trainwreck]

idk I've been lazy af lately.

 

[daddymonsterpoodle]

Nothing in redpill or MGTOW advocates hating women or anyone. A site about being more successful with women will attract men who have not been as successful with women. Of course there are going to be a bunch of huys who have been hurt and are hostile.

For me redpill was a toolbox that helped me understand male and female interactions in a different way and made me think about my own behaviour. This site does the same.

I like women. My relationships with women feel more natural to me and practical experiences have shown me that there is SOME truth to redpill theories.

I don't like extremists or ideologies and some people feel that way about redpil theories.

It has opened my eyes to gender injustice though.

At the end of the day this is an anonymous internet forum. There are going to be crazies and liars and scam artists and 12 year olds. Find the advice that resonates with you.

 

[NSX-R]

Mgtow or red pill i think it's too much. People have to realise that women just enchase our pleasure in the world. They only exist to pleasure us men. Why do you have to take such things so seriously? It's like playing football for fun and taking everything seriously. Where is the fun when you take everything seriously.

If you want to have success with women , have fun with them , be unapologetic with your actions and don't let their words and actions touch your ego or your emotions.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Mgtow or red pill i think it's too much. People have to realise that women just enchase our pleasure in the world. They only exist to pleasure us men. Why do you have to take such things so seriously? It's like playing football for fun and taking everything seriously. Where is the fun when you take everything seriously.

If you want to have success with women , have fun with them , be unapologetic with your actions and don't let their words and actions touch your ego or your emotions.

If it were only this simple everything would be wonderful. Men would be the pursued and women would always be on their toes, but this is a fantasy. The number men on this planet who actually "don't take women seriously" is miniscule. Neither you, nor I or anyone else on this forum is on that list either.

Whether he is "blue pill" or "red pill", BOTH guys do the things he does largely to attract women. They fight (whether it's a sanctioned fight in Vegas or in the octagon or battery in a hotel room over a cheating woman), they build tall buildings, work out 5x a week, buy expensive suits or overpriced muscle cars, ALL to signal to women. It's actually no different in the animal kingdom. Like many other aspects of nature, it's ugly and dangerous.

Don't get me wrong, I wish it weren't this way and that life was one big strip club, whether women are drawn to men like a gravitational force, sampling every guy in the room with no effort on his part where SHE is doing all the work to find her best mate, if only for the night.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

There are different levels of MGTOW. MGTOW is not a movement. MGTOW is a lifestyle choice. There are some MGTOW's who've sworn off women, but those types you'll never find posting on a board such as this.

To me, being a MGTOW simply means I no longer invest in women. This means no marriage, no children, no living together, no intertwined finances. Women will always blow out if you play the game correctly so I no longer care when they play games. In the old days I would jump through hoops for women, but now I can walk away at the slightest transgression without a care on my part.

I don't want any long term obligations to any women. I'm all for guys spinning plates, but like I said I ain't getting married. I've never slept with a hooker and never will. I also refuse to step foot in strip clubs. MGTOW is cheaper, less work, less stress, and gives you the freedom to do what you want when you want. I'm 99% sure Leonardo Dicaprio is a MGTOW. Guy has it all and you don't see him settling down with no females. Like I said in a previous thread: bank your money, get a nice place, nice car, and enjoy being a bachelor.

 

[Tenacity]

I don't consider myself MGTOW. However.. a question like "What's next?" implies that there is nothing more to life than women.

No, that wasn't my intent with asking the question. The question centers around the MGTOW/Red Pill foundational theory that you can't trust women because it's their quote, unquote "nature" to (insert some sort of negative, manipulative, back-stabbing trait here).

- So my first question is, if you can't trust women and it's their "nature" to screw you over in some context, then why even bother with them? Why haven't you ACTUALLY gone your own way, which would be to completely STOP dating women?

- Secondly, you will see many of these MGTOW/Red Pill guys taking pride in how many plates they are spinning, how many dates they have lined up, and how many women they have fvcked. But if it's quote, unquote in a woman's "nature" to be bad, fvck you over, etc., why would you brag about dating them? Why would you brag about fvcking them? Why would you brag about spinning plates? It's like stating you hate eating at XYZ restaurant because they serve horrible food, but you get on Facebook and brag about having ate at that particular restaurant last night .

To call every man who enters into an LTR a 'beta male' is ridiculous. It is simply not true.There is no big-grand secret and all women are not evil. The fact that a lot of the extreme MGTOW red pill are so vehemently averse to relationships shows that they care too much about women.

I completely agree. You know what I think really motivates the MGTOW Movement? I think it's finding comfort in misery.

Most of the MGTOW guys are broke/unattractive guys who usually do not have a lot of "good" things going for themselves in life. The MGTOW Movement becomes a form of comfort for them in knowing they aren't ALONE, because the reality is that they feel alone....not just some of the time, but they feel alone MOST of the time.

As much as they rail against other guys (like Brad Pitt) for being quote, unquote "Blue Pill/AFC/Beta Fag.got", does Brad Pitt look unhappy? Does he look angry, bitter, or full of hate?

The happy guys, who have their life together and who are succeeding in life......are fvcking BLUE Pill based on the definitions provided in the MGTOW Movement. What does that tell you? Put it like this, which one of these guys would you rather be:

Guy A: Knows the Red Pill, doesn't date women, and spends most of his time with other MGTOW discussing how horrible women are. Also he knows the Red Pill about life in general, including economics, so to avoid paying taxes to support "The Matrix" he doesn't pursue major career goals, so he's likely broke as well.

Guy B: Doesn't know shyt about a Red Pill or Blue Pill. He got rejected by women in the Past, it hurt him, but he didn't allow it to JADE him. He just kept going through life, focusing on his goals and working on himself. Today, he has a degree (or two), working in the career he wants, living in the nice area he wants, and in a committed LTR or married. However, most MGTOW when they see this guy would label him as Blue Pill (or a beta fag.got).

IDK about you guys, but I would rather be Guy B (the beta fag.got).

 

[foreverAFC]

i dont really date, i just spend most of time at work and when i get off i just spend time with my hobbies like gym, martial arts etc........ive just never been good at maintaining relationships or meeting new people and whatnot, im just very introverted i guess. i dont spend my time complaining about women or things like that, but i also dont go out of my way to meet or interact with them anymore. i just go about my own business. unless one of them really just falls into my lap im not interested.

and since you asked and really wanted to know, once in a while ill get some from a hot stripper or whatever if i wanted to have some fun. otherwise jerking off to some internet porn and going to sleep is good enough for me. in fact these days, just getting a good nights sleep is what i care about more than anything else. getting married, having kids, changing diapers, worrying about possible divorce in the future, having to pay for a family etc......none of that sounds appealing to me at all. id rather just keep making money for myself and keep working on myself and keep enjoying my hobbies while i still i can. i dont have it all figured out, but i dont think the typical married life is for me at all.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

going to sleep is good enough for me. in fact these days, just getting a good nights sleep is what i care about more than anything else. getting married, having kids, changing diapers, worrying about possible divorce in the future, having to pay for a family etc......none of that sounds appealing to me at all. id rather just keep making money for myself and keep working on myself and keep enjoying my hobbies while i still i can. i dont have it all figured out, but i dont think the typical married life is for me at all.

Started to really resonate when I got to this part of your post.

1. I make it a priority to get 7-8 hrs of sleep every night including cancelling appointments if I'm up late. There are lots of health benefits to this and anything less and you just feel like sh*t! Why do that to your body? I was up til 3 am on election night and was supposed to be in for 10. Said fvck it and waltzed in that 3 pm feeling refreshed and ready to go.

2. The marriage scam doesn't really appeal to me right now either. Maybe I'll feel slightly different when I'm 35, when I'm financially independent and actually have time to spend with a wife and kids. And when they won't "depend" on me to keep a job I hate for 20 years.

3. We might differ in that I still want women, but I'm with you I'm not chasing them at all for the last year or two. Perhaps it's just the American/western woman I've given up on. I definitely hunt more when I travel. Got to sample some European women and maybe I'm naive, but I like what I see a lot more.