So the other day, I was chilling in the library at my uni...

[Genos]

...trying to get some studying done; I usually like to hit up the area in the library that allows talking, group discussion, meetings - it's kind of an open area where all that stuff is the norm, as opposed to the regular super quiet library area.

So I pop a squat at a table, and get to work. I notice an HB 8~ or so sitting a couple tables away from me. Is this a pickup field report? No, something slightly different...just an observation that I wanna discuss.

Over the course of the 45 minutes I was sitting in the same area as her, no less than 6 guys (I started keeping count >_>) came by to chat her up. They were prior friends/acquaintances I'm sure, but I think the significance is no less; it wasn't just a passing 'hi' as they walk by - these were several minutes of small talk/flirting, etc.

On the one hand, this was an interesting observational study for me - I tried to analyze both the guys' and her own body language, tried to gauge her interest in whomever she was talking to, etc. Picked up some cold reading skills.

But really, it got me thinking (and this is the whole point of this thread)...attractive women are approached/chatted up by SO many guys, quite frequently. Thinking about it...when we do approaches, aren't we just one more nameless face in the line? Does it get annoying for women to be approached this much? How do you make any impression at all when attractive women just have so many options y'know?

And it kind of rubs me wrong that when I talk with women, I'm competing with other guys in this way - it makes my own approaches, when I do actually do them, seem much less significant. I'm sure this is just some beta-ness in my mindset, but I'm feeling a bit disillusioned on approaching and talking to women - I'm finding it hard to get excited about it and actively go out. Anyone have any similar experiences? Am I just thinking about this from an incorrect point of view?

 

[mangotot]

The 8 has options, and plenty of it. If you approach, one of them is bound to choose you over others. A game of chances.

As for the 8 in the library, she probably came to chill out, shoot the **** and get some validation. Not to study.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Alright dude, I know EXACTLY how to deal with this type of thing.

That's the glory about all of this 'game' thing, there isn't one specific way to get chicks. Take note of Pook's ideology (masculinity and knowing what you want + actually going for it; the women come along for the ride if they want to) vs that of PlayeHer_Man's (playing the 'game' with women so well that you can beat her at it) and jophil28's strategy (no bullsh!t at all with 'my way or the highway' type mentality). These are just a few examples as there are other ways.

Anyway, what I noticed is that those top quality girls (in terms of looks anyway) always get the dudes around them all the time. They are used to all of that attention. And when girls don't get the attention they are used to, what do they do? They chase after it. How do you get them to chase after it? It's simple. You ignore them. This gets them thinking about why do all the guys like her but not you? She will think and begin to obsess over you. And eventually she will start to like you. Partially because of the psychology of wanting what you can't have.

Always appear confident and social, yet serious. In the case of this girl, you do your work and look at her if you want to, to size her up and see if she meets your standards. Don't be afraid if she catches you looking at her either. In fact, you almost want her to catch you looking at her. If she does, give her a confident smile for a brief moment and then commence to size her up/check her out for a few seconds. Look her in the eyes for a few moments and give her that confident smile again, then give her that half-nod of approval. You are sure to fvck with her head if done right. Then continue doing your work. Don't look at her again until you want to leave. When finished, you walk up to her as if you are going to leave any second. I would just say something like "Hey, I caught you looking at me a while ago, and thought that maybe you wanted to talk to me. But whether you did or not, I'm still going to ask you, what's up?". (This frankness shows confidence in yourself. Always have that confident smile on the whole time too. Even when walking to talk to her, have that unwavering confident smile on your face.) Make small talk for a minute or 2 at most, and when doing so, stay standing the whole time but also make sure you lean over with your hands on the table (but not on her work) to get semi-close to her.

Don't even give her your number and don't ask for hers unless she asks for it (in which case you try and get hers at the same time). Leave with that smile on and don't look back only if she calls for you. And if she does, keep that body language showing that you are leaving/will leave at any given time.


Anyway, enough of the specifics. If you see her a lot, ignoring her in general will get her gears going.

 

[backbreaker]

This is actually a quite good post / observation by you OP.

I can just tell you what I observe/ what works for me. It's quite simple actually.


I simply talk to women who I know will be interested in me lol.

actually not that hard of a concept lol. Stop looking at the world as all these women to talk to and start pinpointing women who will be interested i you. Not necessarily by looks grade scale either.


I run / own a web development company. The bidding for projects is fierce. I put a bid in for a job the other day I was probably 1 out of literally 120 companies from around the world to bid on. Got the job. I'm singing the contract tomorrow. I didn't use a super secret sales technique. I didn't do it for penny on the dollar, the guy asked could he have some lee way o the price and I said no lol. And even that, is not WHY we got the job. We got the job, because for this particular job, our portfolio is second to none. I KNOW that if the guy is serious, and he takes the time to look at what we can do, he's going to have us in the running ,and I'm a people person and I can talk to anyone. If I can get you on the phone more times than not it's a done deal.


Anyway my point without rambling too much, when you look at women versus men it can look like a real daunting task, but you have to


1. fiigure out what you bring to the table, and take a real inventory of your pros and cons

2. figure out the type of people who are going to be interested in you

3. proactively look for signs of interest from women

4. Target the women who you're going ot have a higher percentage with.


Let's use your example of the chick sitting down there by herself and 8 random dudes come up. Let's say you go up to here and you spit some random ass generic game to her. At best you're probably goin to get LJBFed, not even because you did anything wrong, there's just nothing to stand you apart from the job. I can't tell you how many jobs I've bidded on in thep ast that I know that we could have done GREAT but there was just nothing to separate us from whoever the **** and he liked the dude's wife or some **** lol ,whatever.


But let's say that you notice that she has on her gym gear and you are a gym rat, and you look like a gym rat. You have an in right there. Or you notice what book she's reading and it's a book you read, that's an in. one of the best pickups i've ever had was pcking up a chick who was reading the god delusion, a book I read almost a decade ago. I kiss closed her the night i met her and banged the next night.


Pros use sniper rifles, not shot guns.


IN my case, I'm in shape, I love horse racing, I like jazz. I met my wife at the horse track. Instant in. I pass up opportunities every time I walk into a jazz bar.



when i first got to ths site iused to go out and sarge and talk to 10-15 girls a night. I had success. But the amount of success and the quality of women that i was dating skyrocked once i figured out what i am, and figured out who would like what i am


ps- i'm drunk as **** lol

 

[backbreaker]

This is actually a quite good post / observation by you OP.

I can just tell you what I observe/ what works for me. It's quite simple actually.


I simply talk to women who I know will be interested in me lol.

actually not that hard of a concept lol. Stop looking at the world as all these women to talk to and start pinpointing women who will be interested i you. Not necessarily by looks grade scale either.


I run / own a web development company. The bidding for projects is fierce. I put a bid in for a job the other day I was probably 1 out of literally 120 companies from around the world to bid on. Got the job. I'm singing the contract tomorrow. I didn't use a super secret sales technique. I didn't do it for penny on the dollar, the guy asked could he have some lee way o the price and I said no lol. And even that, is not WHY we got the job. We got the job, because for this particular job, our portfolio is second to none. I KNOW that if the guy is serious, and he takes the time to look at what we can do, he's going to have us in the running ,and I'm a people person and I can talk to anyone. If I can get you on the phone more times than not it's a done deal.


Anyway my point without rambling too much, when you look at women versus men it can look like a real daunting task, but you have to


1. fiigure out what you bring to the table, and take a real inventory of your pros and cons

2. figure out the type of people who are going to be interested in you

3. proactively look for signs of interest from women

4. Target the women who you're going ot have a higher percentage with.


Let's use your example of the chick sitting down there by herself and 8 random dudes come up. Let's say you go up to here and you spit some random ass generic game to her. At best you're probably goin to get LJBFed, not even because you did anything wrong, there's just nothing to stand you apart from the job. I can't tell you how many jobs I've bidded on in thep ast that I know that we could have done GREAT but there was just nothing to separate us from whoever the **** and he liked the dude's wife or some **** lol ,whatever.


But let's say that you notice that she has on her gym gear and you are a gym rat, and you look like a gym rat. You have an in right there. Or you notice what book she's reading and it's a book you read, that's an in. one of the best pickups i've ever had was pcking up a chick who was reading the god delusion, a book I read almost a decade ago. I kiss closed her the night i met her and banged the next night.


Pros use sniper rifles, not shot guns.


IN my case, I'm in shape, I love horse racing, I like jazz. I met my wife at the horse track. Instant in. I pass up opportunities every time I walk into a jazz bar.



when i first got to ths site iused to go out and sarge and talk to 10-15 girls a night. I had success. But the amount of success and the quality of women that i was dating skyrocked once i figured out what i am, and figured out who would like what i am


ps- i'm drunk as **** lol

 

[hudpes]

How do you make any impression at all when attractive women just have so many options y'know?

And it kind of rubs me wrong that when I talk with women, I'm competing with other guys in this way - it makes my own approaches, when I do actually do them, seem much less significant. I'm sure this is just some beta-ness in my mindset, but I'm feeling a bit disillusioned on approaching and talking to women - I'm finding it hard to get excited about it and actively go out. Anyone have any similar experiences? Am I just thinking about this from an incorrect point of view?

When women get approached that much the man's game becomes transparent and she's above the game, controlling it, toying with a man - if she pleases, or accepting his advances. Every insecurity or beta behavior sticks out like an octopus in a desert, so your game has to be tight, you have to be a man. AFC's get girlfriends too, but it's because of pure chance - she liked him for one reason or another and therefore found his laughable attempts cute, but his approach will not spike interest level of a girl that is neutral. To maximize your chances you have to exude self confidence, core affluence, you don't need her, you are curious if she qualifies, she should get the feeling you're trying to establish if she's worth your attention if she would be a suitable partner for you, you must not care about the results but the worst you can do is beat around the bushes - all advances should be direct, head on. In this state of mind there is no room for thoughts like how many guys have been knocking on her door while the door remained closed. It's like a computer game, when you're playing it's only about you, not about anyone else who played it before you, you're playing to win, which you may not at all, but you're not afraid to try.