Skinny vs. Fat

[navyseal2101]

I always hear people complain about how I was so lucky to be skinny etc. and could eat anything I wanted w/o worrying about it. Have being skinny, I know that I wished the food would effect me, imo being skinny was worse than fat b/c if your fat and workout, it comes off. You can mix that with proper diet an wallah. When your a hardgainer nothing you eat helps and if you work out too much you'll negativly effect yourself. Am I the only one that feels being skinny is worse than being fat?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Probably. You just haven't found what works for you health wise. You'd be surprised what the right diet could do for you especially when your body doesn't need to work against itself.

 

[navyseal2101]

Well i'm doing fine now, but after years of ridicule and fat people telling me i'm lucky as if being fat is so much worse annoys me. Seriouslly being skinny is just as socially destructive as being fat, I think it's just that in America prety much nobody is skinny so mabye thats why not too many ppl can relate.

 

[wolf116]

Yep I costs a hell-of-a-lot-of money for us as well.
I just couldn't grow at all until I took Warboss Alex's advice and ate 12 eggs a day, along with what I was doing.

Genetics are a *****. I know some Islanders that do absolutly no weights and have muscles up there necks, 8 packs and huge veins up theie calfs. I asked him how he got so big and he said, "I have to run up that hill every day to my house and I go hunting alot."

 

[blinkwatt]

There is no such thing as a 'hard gainer',you just haven't found you niche yet.

Keep experimenting,you'll find it.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well i'm doing fine now, but after years of ridicule and fat people telling me i'm lucky as if being fat is so much worse annoys me. Seriouslly being skinny is just as socially destructive as being fat, I think it's just that in America prety much nobody is skinny so mabye thats why not too many ppl can relate.

You've got it. Avoid bitter fat people whenever possible.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Some people are true hardgainers, but in most cases it's just an issue of actually eating and training properly.

Navyseal, post up your eating and training schedule.

 

[Quagmire911]

There is no such thing as a 'hard gainer',you just haven't found you niche yet.

Keep experimenting,you'll find it.

That statement my friend, was a load of s****. Whilst many people who think they are hardgainers aren't simply because they train and eat wrongly, many ARE due to various other issues. Quote courtesy of Iron Addict,

"A large percentage of the “hardgainers” are only hardgainers because they do so much wrong (a full length article to follow). And many are truly hardgainers due to genetics and metabolic disorders. These guys MUST approach their training different."

He goes much further into depth, talking about various metabolic issues and the vitamin/hormone treatment, different routines etc that these people need. So yeh, it isn't fiction.

NavySeal however, could very well be one of those guys that hasn't quite got everything dialled in. An interesting point I read in a post by a well respected member of Iron addicts said something along the lines of "Unless you get up and drink a shake or two during the night, you can't call yourself a hardgainer". Interesting point, obviously this statement was made in the confidence that training etc was on point. I've been interested in seeing what downing a shake in the middle of the night would do for gains, but that will have to wait for some other time.

P.s.-Warboss beat me to it heh. Anyway Navyseal, post your stuff up.

 

[Quagmire911]

By doing a quick scan of a couple of your previous threads, it seem to me like your diet and training require a lot of work, before you can even consider the possibility of being a hardgainer.

Here is a quote by you at the start of August:

"I know glycergrow is effective on increasing strength and endurance, but would it help bulking at all? Do the extra reps really make a big difference or would it be a waste of time. BTW i'm eating a 1:1 ratio of weight : protien(g). It also helps with fat % im pretty sure, but not 100%."

WTF is glycergrow? And the 1:1 ratio of protein to weight isn't close to being acceptable never mind optimal. This shows your lack of enthusiasm, motivation for gaining weight as you seem to have either ignored the nutritional advice on this board or decided that it is too much like hard work, thus taking the easy route and calling yourself a hardgainer.

I also see in another thread a couple of week ago you can't squat due to lack of facilities. If this is the case you are already shortchanging yourself training wise. And anywhere that doesn't have the facilities to squat is questionable and I would be wanting to find somewhere else.

Anyway, still post up your full training regime and diet plus your goals and then we will see if you are labeling yourself correctly, which is in some doubt already.

P.s.-Cell volumization? What weight are you anyway? Sounds like you need to double your protein/calorie intake, throw down a dozen eggs and some beef and quit thinking about the latest fad supplement.

 

[Bling]

LMAO @ non-hardgainers telling people that there's no such thing as a hardgainer.

 

[KnockoutJM]

I used to be fat, very overweight, 230lbs at age 16 5"5' within 6 months im 165 at 17 5"8'

Its not a permanent condition unless you make it that way. If they are fat, and they are bitter, it is because they are too lazy to help themselves.. All it takes is willpower.

 

[Stuntmann]

Yep! 10 lbs a month. Let also mention that not much willpower is necessary, it's not a torture, you're not hungry, nor salivate at foods. Discipline what does it actually. Willpower is in there somehow.


I don't get people that are skinny and complain about it. So what, you skinny? Oh my god look at that skinny freak!! You seen people go look at you like that? I bet not.

Fat is different. Fat is not healthy, and it tells them that you're a slob, person that just gave up.

It's way different with skinny. Stop crying.

 

[navyseal2101]

My eating schedual first of all

MEAL 1: 9:00
3 Eggs with 3 slices of cheese (39g)
4 Slices of Peanut Butter Toast(30g)
16-24oz Milk (18-26g)
Cheese Stick( Just b/c I like cheese alot)(7g)
Protien Total-(94-102g)

MEAL 2: 12:00
8 Buffalo Chicken Wings (40g)
16-24oz Milk (18-26g)
Cheese Stick (7g)
Total Protien- (65-73g)

MEAL 3: 3:00 (Usually After Workout)
Protien Shake (32.5 MINIMUM + fruit recovery benefits)
2 Chicken Breast (38g)
16-24oz Milk (18-26g)
Total Protien-(88.5-96.5g)

MEAL 4: 6:00
Could be anything, usually pasta, this is usually a high carb/fat meal. Usually pasta wit a salad with cheese and dressing, lots of bread and rice and always meat, usually beef for aminos.

MEAL 5:
Protien Shake (32.5)
Cheese Stick (7g)
Peanut Butter Sandwich (22g)
Total Protien-(61.5g)

Daily Protien Intake -(309g-332g) w/o meal 4. I'm constantly stuffed and never hungry but this is the only way I gain weight. I only way 150 and im 5'11". Sometimes I switch the eggs with a bagel on off days b/c I get sick of the taste of eggs w/ cheese, and eating like this costs a FORTUNE.

 

[navyseal2101]

Lifting Schedual

Mon:
Squat 3x12
Bench 1x10, 1x6, 1x3
Deadlift 3x10
Reverse Deadlift 3x10

Wed:
Curls 1x12, 1x8, 1x6, 1x4
Barbel Rows 2x10, 1x5
Military Press 2x10
Reverse Military Press 2x10

Fri:
Monday Workout

OFFDAYS: AB Circut and Shoulder Routine

 

[navyseal2101]

In response to previous threads i've changed alot and now squat and deadlift, eat way over 1:1 ratio etc. Also @ Glycergrow, I have noticed that it helps me lift alot harder so I can finish workouts faster, although my workouts do go over an hour often.

 

[wolf116]

Quote courtesy of Iron Addict,

"A large percentage of the “hardgainers” are only hardgainers because they do so much wrong (a full length article to follow). And many are truly hardgainers due to genetics and metabolic disorders. These guys MUST approach their training different."
QUOTE]

Iron Addicts is a great forum. Anyone wanting to take the next step after they have the basics down should definitely check it out. Great info on more advanced stuff like carb timing ect.

If you have made gains using Warboss Alex's info and like his simple and effective approach. Definitely check out Iron Addicts until Warboss brings back "the idiots guide to growth."

 

[blinkwatt]

That statement my friend, was a load of s****. Whilst many people who think they are hardgainers aren't simply because they train and eat wrongly, many ARE due to various other issues. Quote courtesy of Iron Addict,

"A large percentage of the “hardgainers” are only hardgainers because they do so much wrong (a full length article to follow). And many are truly hardgainers due to genetics and metabolic disorders. These guys MUST approach their training different."

If you continue to believe everything someone else tells you(instead of seeing proof it works) will never get there.

 

[HandyAndy]

imo being skinny was worse than fat b/c if your fat and workout, it comes off. You can mix that with proper diet an wallah.

uhh its not that easy, all the skinnies say do this do that but it isnt easy at all

 

[blinkwatt]

uhh its not that easy, all the skinnies say do this do that but it isnt easy at all

Exactly! Only listen to advice that's proven to work for people you personally know or have seen with your own eyes to work. If you listened to what everyone in the gym,online or out on the street told you,you'd get nowhere fast.

 

[HandyAndy]