So, for one reason or another I got roped into a situation today where I was trying to make a logical point to a woman. We were talking about something she saw on the news. It was something about explicitly denying Facebook permission to use your information by posting something. I tried to argue that because of the Terms Of Service agreement, it doesn't really matter what you say. Also, if you don't want them using your information, don't use Facebook. I realized her responses were all based on emotion and just stopped myself from going any further. Somewhere deep down, I thought there might still be hope that I could find a woman who is capable of the minimum amount of logical thought process needed, but today really drove home that it's impossible. So, what are some things you can do to avoid trying to reason with women? Obviously, ignoring is one thing, and trying to change topics, but what else? What would you do in this situation or a situation like it?
Since you can't reason with women, what can you do?
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One woman I dated was convinced that NFL players and professional athletes in general are terribly overpaid. She would go on and on about this whenever I would be watching a game or whenever a game was on at social events we attended together. She COULD NOT understand that wages are determined by the amount of value produced--and that professional athletes generate millions and billions of dollars in value to their employers--no matter how hard I tried to explain it. Her reasoning was based on exactly the same thing your woman based her reasoning on: emotion. I don't think there's anything you can do except frustrate yourself by trying.
Lol, professional atheletes ARE overpaid. What do they contribute to society besides entertainment? Practically nothing, it's about as bad as insurance middle men who suck money out of the system and contribute nothing of value. Yes, objectively their wages are based on what the market is "willing to bear", but, seriously, professional athletes making more than quantum physicists? Come on, dude.
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Athletes are overpaid I agree
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if anything you're only reinforcing OP's main point about reasoning based on emotion by making an argument about what salary someone deserves based off an arbitrary understanding of "true value." Notice how there are salary CAPS in most professional sports leagues, meaning that athletes are actually UNDERPAID relative to the "value" they create. but didn't mean to derail the point of this thread, so let's move along here...dajinn said:
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Bump.
Interesting topic here wanna hear more input
As for the athlete thing, from a moral standpoint, one could say Athletes are overpaid. Shìt, I find it funny that athletes make more than doctors and more important occupations also.
But as already explained, wages are determined by the value and income these athletes generate. So technically they aren't overpaid. Athletes generate what they make, however fvcked up that may sound.
In our world, entertainment is more lucrative and valuable than medicine, its just the way the cookie crumbles.
How else would they distract the masses from important frightening current world events?
Interesting topic here wanna hear more input
As for the athlete thing, from a moral standpoint, one could say Athletes are overpaid. Shìt, I find it funny that athletes make more than doctors and more important occupations also.
But as already explained, wages are determined by the value and income these athletes generate. So technically they aren't overpaid. Athletes generate what they make, however fvcked up that may sound.
In our world, entertainment is more lucrative and valuable than medicine, its just the way the cookie crumbles.
How else would they distract the masses from important frightening current world events?
The main problem is usually because you are trying to get to home base too quickly. Break it down and get her to agree to the logical steps along the way.
For example:
1. You know that Facebook is a company just like Coca Cola or Toyota right?
2. You don't own that company, correct?
3. As long as they don't break the law, they can make up whatever rules they like about their own product can't they?
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X. Therefore, because of their Terms of Service agreement, it doesn't matter what you post about denying them permission to use your information, yeah?
For example:
1. You know that Facebook is a company just like Coca Cola or Toyota right?
2. You don't own that company, correct?
3. As long as they don't break the law, they can make up whatever rules they like about their own product can't they?
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X. Therefore, because of their Terms of Service agreement, it doesn't matter what you post about denying them permission to use your information, yeah?
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Did I hear the words logic and woman in the same sentence? Well here is the answer to this. You will never win an argument with a woman with logic because what comes out of her mouth doesn't have to be fact/truth. So when you run out of logical points to argue she will always have +1 more of her emotional goon babble statements and thus "win" the argument. Then she'll have 5 other women gang up on you like a pack of hyenas to back her and say that she's right.
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dajinn said:
You are simple minded.They have value because of entertainment and inspiration they provide.
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Since this is not about important stuff, but just some random BS, I wouldn't do too much. She is a woman, so she's not interested in getting smarter about the FB terms of service or privacy, nor would she like to look like a fool. She wants to shaaaaaare her feeeelings with you. Emotions, not intellect, opinions, not facts.Eph said:
Your best bet is to shut up, smile and think nothing about it. Keep in mind that women are capable of quick escalation. One minute it's about Facebook, then it's about you wisecracking all the time, then it's about how you always treat her like a stupid person, then it's how her ex never said that but you always say it, and pronto you've got an all-out nuclear war in your face.
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I had a very similar situation once a few years back, two girls, both teachers, both in their mid 20s, incapable of comprehending that the furthest level of privacy attainable as far your personal information and Facebook goes was to simply...not create an account on Facebook. They both continued to insist and insist that Facebook now had new "privacy settings" which made it virtually impossible for your private information to be disseminated to any outside parties. Didn't matter how I explained it, their was no changing their minds (or emotions really) beyond their conviction that your private information was absolutely safe as long as you activated the most airtight privacy settings available. Providing your information to someone you feel you can trust, or keeping your info to yourself - which is more safe? I tried explaining it like this, I tried asking them how certain they were that Facebook was not sharing their information with someone else - nothing. Nothing worked. They were impervious to logic. They were Michael Corleones and Facebook was "the family".
A good friend of mine shared with me a tactic he uses on his wife when she begins to ramble, or her emotions begin to get the best of her. What he does is he tunes out so whatever she says has zero chance of getting under his skin, and he repeats whatever last three words came out of her mouth in agreement. Whenever you catch yourself entangled in her web of irrationalities, it's best to remind yourself that you have more important things in your life that are more deserving of your seriousness, and let her 'win'.
A good friend of mine shared with me a tactic he uses on his wife when she begins to ramble, or her emotions begin to get the best of her. What he does is he tunes out so whatever she says has zero chance of getting under his skin, and he repeats whatever last three words came out of her mouth in agreement. Whenever you catch yourself entangled in her web of irrationalities, it's best to remind yourself that you have more important things in your life that are more deserving of your seriousness, and let her 'win'.
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I witnessed such crap recently. My friend's girlfriend started complaining about "the glass ceiling" and how she knew a woman who missed out on a management promotion simply because the male boss didn't want to promote a woman.
I couldn't help myself and retorted, saying that if a woman was the most outstanding candidate, it makes good business sense to promote her.
She disagreed of course and I said: "Well if your friend is so amazingly talented, I assume she found a management position elsewhere...."
And no, she hadn't.
Eventually I asked this woman to provide solid proof that the male boss didn't want to promote a woman and she eventually just said: "I have no proof but I had a definite vibe about the whole thing!"
Fvck me drunk.....there is simply no way you can engage a woman in meaningful debate based on empirical or anecdotal evidence, solid proof or incontrovertible facts. Their emotions take over every time.
I couldn't help myself and retorted, saying that if a woman was the most outstanding candidate, it makes good business sense to promote her.
She disagreed of course and I said: "Well if your friend is so amazingly talented, I assume she found a management position elsewhere...."
And no, she hadn't.
Eventually I asked this woman to provide solid proof that the male boss didn't want to promote a woman and she eventually just said: "I have no proof but I had a definite vibe about the whole thing!"
Fvck me drunk.....there is simply no way you can engage a woman in meaningful debate based on empirical or anecdotal evidence, solid proof or incontrovertible facts. Their emotions take over every time.
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Be careful my friend , according to VAWA the use of logic(by a male) during an argument is abuse.Eph said:
Skyline
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The thing that I do to generally avoid dumb arguments is respond with something silly or crazy. So she says something stupid about Facebook privacy and their "new terms protecting me" so I say something about pirates sailing to her house and stealing her info because they have a boat and she doesn't. The more she tries to argue the more ridiculous it gets... You really can't argue with someone who isn't serious.
seasonedplayer
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Women are little bit like a terminal disease. All you can do it manage the situation. Ignore them, agree with them, do what you need to do to minimize the work required to keep them happy, sleeping with you without complaining.
There are 3 billion of them in the world and not one of them has ever invented anything or built anything. They are not logical and act on emotion.
There are 3 billion of them in the world and not one of them has ever invented anything or built anything. They are not logical and act on emotion.
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Here's the thing: when a woman has a "feeling" about something, regardless of it's true or not it's true to HER. However, what I have found is that the majority of these things us guys try to logically explain to a woman aren't all that important to begin with.
For example: I like video games. My favorite game is Mario, which first came out in 1985. If I were to talk to a woman about Mario, and she said "Oh, Mario, I love that game, especially the first one that came out in 1986," my natural instinct is to tell her: "Actually, it came out in 1985." If her response is something along the lines of "no, I feel like it came out in 1986..." I could try to argue all day about why I'm right, but the bottom line would be WHO THE F--K CARES, IT'S A STUPID VIDEO GAME!! I may try to argue with her so that I can "prove" to her that my facts and figures are correct ("Look at this magazine - the CREATOR of the game said it first came out in 1985!!") but the reality is some women talk just to hear themselves talk, and could give two craps about things like facts and figures - but if, at the end of the day, it doesn't ACTUALLY matter (like, she's not on Jeopardy answering a question about the year Mario was created), you can save yourself a LOT of stress by not having to be right or prove your rightness to her all the time.
For example: I like video games. My favorite game is Mario, which first came out in 1985. If I were to talk to a woman about Mario, and she said "Oh, Mario, I love that game, especially the first one that came out in 1986," my natural instinct is to tell her: "Actually, it came out in 1985." If her response is something along the lines of "no, I feel like it came out in 1986..." I could try to argue all day about why I'm right, but the bottom line would be WHO THE F--K CARES, IT'S A STUPID VIDEO GAME!! I may try to argue with her so that I can "prove" to her that my facts and figures are correct ("Look at this magazine - the CREATOR of the game said it first came out in 1985!!") but the reality is some women talk just to hear themselves talk, and could give two craps about things like facts and figures - but if, at the end of the day, it doesn't ACTUALLY matter (like, she's not on Jeopardy answering a question about the year Mario was created), you can save yourself a LOT of stress by not having to be right or prove your rightness to her all the time.
Try NOT talking to women about important matters in the first place (unless you're at work and you have too).
Seriously.. she is there to f*ck you. Have sex with her and save the intelligent conversations for other men. What is the purpose of talking to a woman about something she isn't smart enough to understand?
You lower yourself every time you argue with a woman. I stopped arguing with women years ago. I kid you not. I don't argue with them. I just tell them they are wrong/sound stupid and stop talking.
Once it has become clear that emotion is clouding judgement.. it is best to disengage. If you can't disengage then you are just as weak and emotional as her.
Seriously.. she is there to f*ck you. Have sex with her and save the intelligent conversations for other men. What is the purpose of talking to a woman about something she isn't smart enough to understand?
You lower yourself every time you argue with a woman. I stopped arguing with women years ago. I kid you not. I don't argue with them. I just tell them they are wrong/sound stupid and stop talking.
Once it has become clear that emotion is clouding judgement.. it is best to disengage. If you can't disengage then you are just as weak and emotional as her.
Alright, so great responses so far. A lot of you seem to be advising just avoiding the topic, which is exactly what I've been practicing the past couple of days. Anything else you guys do to get around debating?
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