Shoulder Problem

[al77]

I hurt somehting in my shoulder when working with dumbells and when I do bench presses it hurts. It has been weeks since I hurt it and I have learnt that doing shoulder exercises prevents the shoulder from healing

I guess I have to options here:
a) Stop doing anything shoudler related completely for a while.
But for how long?
b) Do very light weight shoulder exercises. But.. what is the point? I will not gain any mass.

What do you think is a good way to deal with this problem?

 

[speedo_meme]

i had the same thing. bench press would kill my shoulder. stop doing them for a week, then gradually do lighter weights on machines....repeat

IF IT HURTS, DO NOT DO IT!!

it will heal, you just have to lay off it for awhile...

 

[The_Lifter]

Glucosamine or MSM.

Check your form too.

 

[vanwilder]

what did you do exactly. i have had rotator cuff injuries a lot, jsut work with what you can, lower the weight and start working up again.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by vanwilder
what did you do exactly. i have had rotator cuff injuries a lot, jsut work with what you can, lower the weight and start working up again.

What I did: I started doing military press with DB. Increased teh weight too early and oops.. I stopped doing military press.
But when I do bench press the pain goes from almost the tip of the shoulder to almost the middle of the arm.

My question is should I still do light weight exercises or don't do anything at all? If I do them, what is teh point? It does not contribute to anything, right?

 

[vanwilder]

yeah i think its a rotator cuff injury, does it hurt on the inside of the shoulder, or the outside.

i would keep lifing light, you will lose less muscle mass this way. there is a point of lifting, its better than sitting at home right

 

[al77]

Originally posted by vanwilder
yeah i think its a rotator cuff injury, does it hurt on the inside of the shoulder, or the outside.

It seems it is outside. The pain band goes from the point a bit above the beginning of the armpit to the middle of the biceps.
Surprisingly it is not hurting when I do biceps exercise, but when I do bench presses I feel that pain band immediately

I thought the rotator cuff is inside the shoulder though.

 

[Un-Aru]

Do some light rotator cuff exercises to strenthen the muscles surrounding the joint. Kind of tough to explain but here we go...

1. Stand side on to a cable pulley with adjustable height. Your left shoulder pointing at the machine. Take your right arm and imagine you're holding your ribs after someone has given you a good crack. This is the start point for your right arm. Holding the cable handle rotate your right arm away from your body. Visualisation: go from holding your bruised ribs to as if you're pointing a gun from someone. Your right elbow should never leave your side.

2. Stand with arms straight out to your sides at ear level. Bend you arms 90 degrees so your arms are still level with your ears but your hands are slightly in front of you with your palms facing down. This is the starting point. Rotate your shoulders so your hands are in the air, as if someone is pointing a gun at you and you want to show them you're unarmed. Your upper arm (bicep/tricep) should never move up or down, this way the rotator cuff does all the work. Now hold some light weights in your hands while you do this action. (can use cables as well)

(This one you may have trouble with, try it without weight first)

3. For the previous 2 exercises, reverse the starting and finishing points (you'll also have to reverse your body positioning) and instead of 'pulling backwards', try 'pull forwards.'

Most importantly remember that if there is an inordinate amount of pain (I'm talking a sharp stabbing pain, not just a bit of discomfort - you should feel the difference) in a joint the surrounding muscles have a tendency to 'switch themselves off.' This means that other muscles take over, muscles that aren't supposed to be recruited in that particular exercise. This gradually causes an imbalance and you end up with tendonitis or other overuse injuries.

 

[vanwilder]

its not a rotator cuff then, you could have tendonitis (Spelling)

is your chest abnormally stronger and larger than your back. ive had this case when i didnt work my back out ever in like grade 10. yes i was retarded. it took about 3-4 months to get rid of hte pain in the shoulder. but my pain was strickly on the delt.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by vanwilder
its not a rotator cuff then, you could have tendonitis (Spelling)

is your chest abnormally stronger and larger than your back. ive had this case when i didnt work my back out ever in like grade 10. yes i was retarded. it took about 3-4 months to get rid of hte pain in the shoulder. but my pain was strickly on the delt.

What is that.. tendonitis? I mean what shoudl I do to cure it?

Interesting question, I had teh opposite. My back was and is abnormally stronger than my chest.
When I started working out I could not even press 70lb on a chest press machine (!), i.e. there was no muscles at all.
But I could do 240lb on a back machine without any traning.

Do you suggest the injure occured due to this imbalance?

 

[MindOverMatter]

word of advice, if you have any pain that prevents you from lifting, see a real doctor instead of consulting with people on sosuave. all the "medical" advice people are giving you here is basically stuff they've read on the net, written by other people who have also read it on the net somewhere written by someone else. follow the trail long enough, and I'm sure there is a 15 year old high schooler involved.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
word of advice, if you have any pain that prevents you from lifting, see a real doctor instead of consulting with people on sosuave. all the "medical" advice people are giving you here is basically stuff they've read on the net, written by other people who have also read it on the net somewhere written by someone else. follow the trail long enough, and I'm sure there is a 15 year old high schooler involved.

I agree with you. I mean I would agree with you if doctors could help with this problem. But it is obvious they can't. They could charge me though a couple of hundreds for doing X-rays and "massaging" my shoulder and finally prescribing a pain killer a plenty of rest. That I can do by myself just fine.

Ok, more constructive question: should I do light weight exercises or not? i.e. stop doing bench presses until it heals, or attempt to lift very low weights?

I have been trying to lift, stupidly, and the shoulder still hurst

 

[manuva]

Originally posted by al77
I agree with you. I mean I would agree with you if doctors could help with this problem. But it is obvious they can't. They could charge me though a couple of hundreds for doing X-rays and "massaging" my shoulder and finally prescribing a pain killer a plenty of rest. That I can do by myself just fine.

See an osteopath. If anyone is capable of fixing an ache or pain quickly and naturally, it's an osteopath. They're my first port of call for any body pain.

 

[[S]alvatore]

Take a week off from doing bench presses, then the week after start light and see how it feels. This happened to me a while ago so I took a week off from doing shoulder orientated excercises and it healed.

 

[Un-Aru]

Quick questions...
1. can you do a dumbell side raise with your arm straight without any sharp pains?
2. next hold your arms up as if someone was going to shoot you, upper arm level with your shoulder, lower arm at 90 degrees, palm facing away from you. Put the flat of your palm and forearm against the edge of the a doorway, (your body will be partially through the door) and push... does this cause sharp pain?

 

[vanwilder]

Originally posted by MindOverMatter
word of advice, if you have any pain that prevents you from lifting, see a real doctor instead of consulting with people on sosuave. all the "medical" advice people are giving you here is basically stuff they've read on the net, written by other people who have also read it on the net somewhere written by someone else. follow the trail long enough, and I'm sure there is a 15 year old high schooler involved.

seriously everything i say is wrong with you


anyways

yes i think it could be from an imbalance if this is what you have. i had this, a week will not do anyhting it takes a long time to correct. i say light, but i really dont know what is going on.

if you can and its not to much money, go see a physio therapist. see wahts wrong, dont go again, they will tell you what to do the first time, and honestly the stuff they do, you can do on your own for hte most part.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by manuva
See an osteopath. If anyone is capable of fixing an ache or pain quickly and naturally, it's an osteopath. They're my first port of call for any body pain.

Thats true. But there is no pain when I don't lift. And thre is not pain what I lift small weights.
He will prescribe me rest and this is what I am going to do anyway.

But with what weights should I work out? how light they should be?

 

[al77]

Originally posted by Un-Aru
Quick questions...
1. can you do a dumbell side raise with your arm straight without any sharp pains?
2. next hold your arms up as if someone was going to shoot you, upper arm level with your shoulder, lower arm at 90 degrees, palm facing away from you. Put the flat of your palm and forearm against the edge of the a doorway, (your body will be partially through the door) and push... does this cause sharp pain?

1. Side raises do not hurt at all.
It happened when I was doing military DB presses, but now the main problam is bench presses.

2. It does not. But maybe I just didn't push enoug.
It hurts when I lower a barbell while doing bench presses a lot. Like something is going to tear up. When the barbell is up or at least far from the chest the pain is gone.

I did waited for a week, but it is not enough though. I heals but very slowly.