Should You Tell The Truth?

[PlayaBoy]

I have a BIG question: SHOULD YOU SHARE YOUR TRUE BELIEFS ABOUT WOMEN WITH THEM?

I find it important to always speak the truth (not in a religious sense or anything, just because I always speak my mind and normally I dont give a s***), cause I find myself these days sharing my thoughts about women with girlfriends and chicks I want to seduce, and women in general, and I sometimes wonder if doing this can be damaging.

It's just that some of this stuff is, as I'm sure many of you are aware of, very politically incorrect stuff to say in public and, although I despize the politically correctness of "relationships and dating" that can take a toll on your credibility..

I’m not shy to tell any woman any of the things I learn on this forum, and I’d like to know how you guys handle this sort of situation? Do you say what you feel?

This is a big one for me!!

PB

 

[Bill]

I'm generally careful when it comes to talking to women about my "game"; I tend to demonstrate that I know what they want, what they like in a guy (and more importantly what they don't like in a guy).

I avoid discussing the politically incorrect stuff, because while it can sound ****y to express such views about women, you will still come off as a misogynist a$$hole (because you'll be blatantly stating what you really think about women).

Just let them know, by your actions, that you know what you're doing... you don't need to tell them outright (it could sound like you're trying to convince them, which is awful bad).

-Bill

 

[PlayaBoy]

Good insight BILL, thanks!

I guess sometimes I tend to talk about deep stuff w/ women, and find it hard to keep conversations light, as it bores the hell out of me. I LOVE to joke all the time w/ my buddies, and keep things light, but chicks simply DONT have a very sofisticated sense of humour!! Or at least I dont think its very compatible w/ male/more inteligent comedy..

Have you ever noticed how they can stare at a screen for two hours (p.ex. Monty Python or Naked Gun) and not get whats going on? Or the fact that all the good stand up comedians are men.

 

[flexion_]

No.

Actions speak louder than words anyway.

 

[Wiesman44]

I don't understand your motives for wanting to tell girls about the tricks and techniques (game) we use on them. You will certainly not gain anything by doing this, and I don't know what she is going to gain by learning it. She'll only end up having a fit and thinking your a chump for not being yourself and having rely on 'material' to get women.

 

[wowiehowie]

Originally posted by PlayaBoy


I’m not shy to tell any woman any of the things I learn on this forum, and I’d like to know how you guys handle this sort of situation? Do you say what you feel?

This is a big one for me!!

PB

I'd reconsider. Never start babbling about this stuff. Figure out what kind of "truths" you feel are appropriate as time goes on with your relationship. Because otherwise you can really fvck up your chances very early on in the relationship.
I too feel no uneasiness with telling people the truth. BUT, is it always appropriate?

 

[PlayaBoy]

Thanks for the feedback people, I see a lot of wisdom here.

FLEXION, you said it all.

WIESMAN44, my motives for talking to them about such things are simple.

When I talk to girls many times we end up talking about the dynamics between men and women and relationships, and I cant help telling them what I think about certain subjects, ALTHOUGH I DON’T DO THIS W/ GIRLS I JUST MET!!!

But I’m more of a relationship kind of guy and don’t look much for the one night stands and such. And this is where it gets complicated, because as I get to know them, I find it difficult not to say what I think about the stupidities these girls regurgitate…

As for the tricks and techniques, I don’t talk about those, I’m referring more to BELIEFS, such as “women don’t like sex as much as men” and “women are faithful, men are cheaters” and such crap.

WOWIEHOWIE, I think you're dead on the money, I’ll have to work on it.

PB

 

[00Kevin]

Originally posted by flexion_
No.

Actions speak louder than words anyway.

There is no greater truth.

No need to talk about what he doesn't have.

Talking about relationships, women, or any of that **** makes you a bit-ch. If you talk about what you think about women then you will sound like an insecure punk. You should already have an idea of what you want from a woman. Those concepts should be part of how you think. They should be clear in your head and set in stone. No need to talk about something you have already figured out right?

A man owns his women.

 

[Mr Spitfire]

Im expecting a certain question from a certain girl. She likes me alot and so do her friends. And I really liker her.

She is going to ask a question related something my freind said to confirm whether or not what my friend said about me is true. My friend sensed that even though they like me they are afraid of me because I am so badass and she is a really nice girl. He told them certain things to make me sound trustworthy and good.

I don't plan on letting them form a definite opinion in this area. I will ask them why they are asking me said question and then tell them they are not entitled to know whether I know the answer to their question.

Its just like that. Sometimes its just better to let them wonder. The more questions a girl has about you the more wonderful you are.

 

[Sapiens]

Originally posted by flexion_
No.

Actions speak louder than words anyway.

Wisely said.......

 

[PlayaBoy]

Got this from Bristollair.com (by MAGNUS):


Quote ---

Qualities of high status people:

They are socially intelligent

If you are socially intelligent, you know the score. You can tell who is tryhard and who is not, who gets laid and who doesn't, what it means when two chicks eyecode each other, etc etc ad infinitum. You understand, intuitively, who has social status and who doesn't, and what's going on when two people flirt, and all manner of other things.

THIS MEANS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO VERBALIZE IT. FEELING YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT AS IT HAPPENS SHOWS YOU ARE *NOT* SOCIALLY INTELLIGENT. FIGHT THE URGE.

This means no "You're flirting with me, aren't you?!"s, no "Your pupils are dilated... They say that means women are turned on...".

HANDLE THESE PRONOUNCEMENTS WITH THE UTMOST CARE. People who recognize this **** with regularity _do not need to talk about it_. When you go to a football game with your buddies, do you all sit around going, "Look at that... He kicked the ball into the endzone! That means a goal, right? Awesome! He made a goal!"

NO! YOU DO NOT. You know the score.


End quote ---


yep. this answers a lot of my doubts..

In a nut shell: KEEP YOUR TRAP SHUT!!!


PB

 

[BrotherAP]

I regularly correct girls when they say things that, from my point of view, are blatantly wrong.

I discussed relationships with my two friends who are dating on the 4 hour car ride up, and I got the best compliment of my life from the girl. She told me "You have this aura of surprise about you. You say things nobody would expect, not from you or any guy really" She's been giving me huge IOIs since. I wasn't gaming, just talking!

The kinds of things I might talk to the girls about include:

-female behavior that sucks, and why
-reason guys fall for them
-ways that guys shouldn't act
-ways that guys should
-male/female roles in dating

Being unusually knowledgable about girls is a great way to both demonstrate value and build trust. You'll sound experienced, and she won't worry about you going needy stalker when you've already told her how bad you feel for guys that do that.

The best example of a girl who responded to something I said in that amazing switch from uninterested to dying-to-have-me did so when she asked me about "Girl Next Door" and I responded by telling her that I can't watch 30 seconds of the girls attention wh0ring, me first I get what I want ways. She was clearly expecting some lame comment about how hot playboy models are.

The fact is, what I believe about women and relationships is part of who I am. I can only call it how I see it. Besides, it's always an interesting conversation for me to see what the other people think bout it. I find most people agree with me, even though my viewpoints on relationships are clearly not mainstream.

But that's different than talking about the finer details of the game. You don't need to talk abaout this


BrotherAP

 

[izza]

Dude, saying politically incorrect stuff is hilarious, as long as you personally believe it. People love "that guy" who says whatever the f*** he wants, who says things that are naughty just for kicks. People love a guy who thinks for himself and is not mainstream.

I don't really understand why this is a big deal. People in general love someone who doesn't follow the crowd. This is because most people don't think for themselves.

Izza

 

[PlayaBoy]

IZZA:

I personally believe that girls are a less intelligent than men (analytical intelligence, cause in some aspects they excel – communication, nurturing, sensitivity, etc.), and that they are thus less competent in business, science, philosophy, art, music, the list goes on. How many nobel prizes are women? S**t, they can’t even drive a car, how do you expect them go anywhere? (lol)

This has been proven and substantiated by studies, science and throughout history, but it seems that nowadays if you talk about these subjects you are a macho pr**k and live in the stone age.

Sure, I can say these things and get my male friends to laugh, but what about women that mean something to you? Sooner or later they will learn about your views. Will they revolt? Or admit their role is not to be the "provider", the career oriented and competitive b**ch, but a good mother and companion?

Should you be open about this stuff?

If it comes to a choice, I will be, but I think it WILL tend to isolate and label you as weird or crazry or something.

I wonder how guys like POOK or DeAngelo (who makes his living spreading these messages) handle it…

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Guys, what is the benefit of expounding upon your views about women to them, especially if they don't fit the societal norm? It seems to me that guys that need to do this probably have something to prove by boosting their own egos.

Consider this, would you rather be right or would you rather get laid? I'll admit that you guys may be on to something in that if you get rejected you can always blame it on her not understanding your philosophical views.

 

[PlayaBoy]

FRANCISCO D':

It's not an ego trip...

My doubt is simple:

How can you act on the things we learn and not eventually discuss them with women?

I you are going against the societal norm (i.e. doing things that their friends could consider abusive) I think you are bound to be confronted with questions, and if you want a relationship w/ that person you usually tend to be honest, and expose your beliefs.

I've had girls ask me all sorts of questions as to my "ungentlemanly" behaviour... sometimes I give them a hard time and tease them, but others I just tell them what I think.

How do the more advanced guys or the naturals handle this stuff?