Should you ask her her intentions for dating?

[Tariqa]

You can't guarantee a relationship. All you can do is fvck her right. You can pretty much guarantee you'll never be in a relationship without fvcking her tho...being afraid to make a move leads to only one place. The friend zone.

Stop believing the fairy tale fantasy you've been told. It doesn't exist.

I'm telling you that I don't want meaningless sex. Even if ****ing her is the way to get her to change her mind, I rather be single.

 

[Tariqa]

It's because yours is a very weird situation.

You want a LTR whilst skipping the attraction and sexual parts of the courtship process. You want to interview/qualify your date, but are scared about them interviewing/qualifying you. And, you want to do all of this in the shortest time frame possible.

Bizarre.

Tell me how your dates have gone thus far. I can imagine this being a long and painful grind.

It's not that I want to skip sex, it's just I prefer not to have sex with someone who has no intention for it to lead anywhere. Huge waste of time.


Just answer this one question because you seem to be in a similar position as me.

• One question: You are online and you read that she doesn't date men without cars and you do not have cars. Do you still date her and avoid the topic until she falls for you and then it's too late, or do you completely avoid her all together? That's my only question for you

 

[Tariqa]

I wouldn't even entertain the thought.

That's my point because neither would I. That's the good thing about online dating is that you learn all of this upfront without having to waste invested time. But if you meet on the street, you will have to wait until she asks. She might not ask until the 6th date (this has happened to me). Waste of time. I'm just wondering if you all on here are OK with wasting 6 dates only to find out it had no potential from the jump.


FYI even 3 dates is 2 too many for me. Spending 30 dollars on a date for two is a waste of money to me

To each his own....

 

[Reykhel]

I don't see how I'm a troll because I'm confused about a concept. If you had something to add to help clarify, you can do that, otherwise I don't see how name calling is helping any situation.

If you're not a troll, then put your ego to one side and fvcking listen........right now, your ego is your achille's heel. Your ego is heavily invested in years of social conditioning. If you're unwilling to put your ego to one side I would suggest you visit Loveshack.org....

Listen....

Women are the gatekeepers of sex and men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Meaning if she gives up the sex too easily she loses value in the eyes of others. If you give up your time and commitment to easy, you lose value in the eyes of others...

You are taking the role of the woman. You are acting like a desperate, low value "man".

Women are attracted to men who are free, independent and are busy persuing their life's passions, goals and mission. Hint: this has a lot to do with the energy you give off. There is a push and pull at play here.

Pook's metaphor of a bird flying free.....a bird voluntarily flying into a cage? Let her come at you with the cage. When the relationship is her idea.....it will be a lot stronger going forward. If it's your idea....you can never be certain if her interest level was in the right place.

Listen....

No matter what you want......be that a relationship, a ons,a fvck buddy, a plate, friends with benefits......the formula is the same...

Simple formula: Arrange a hook-up/date/meet, have fun, bring positive emotions.......create an opportunity for sex to take place.

Stay off the phone and repeat the formula once per week. You want to raise her interest level. Why would a girl agree to an instant relationship with you when she doesn't know you????!!!!! Why would you agree to an instant relationship when you don't know her????!!!

If you get 10-15 of these hook-ups/dates.......you'll pretty much have a relationship.

Hint: bring up "what are you looking for?" type questions is not fvcking fun!!!!!!!! You're killing the interaction. You seduction killer, you.

Listen.....

Always bottom line her actions, not her words.

Only you can tell by her actions if she is relationship material. How can you observe her actions? That's right.....by spending time with her (hook- up/ dates). You could say it's like a trial period.

This is how it goes if your on the relationship strategy:

1. Pick up

2. Dating (courtship period ) Trial period

3. Relationship period

Listen....

You can wait a little bit....before fvcking her...but personally I wouldn't wait beyond 3 "dates" (if I was on the relationship strategy). Why? You run the danger of being friendzoned. She will actually start thinking that your not attracted to her. Imagine that....you're finally dating a girl who meets all of your criteria and your imagining where your going to live together and what your kids are going to be called.....but your not giving her the c0ck that she wants.......and she friendzones you......

Listen.......

When you follow the simple formula......you can only think of the present moment with women for they are fickle creatures........hint: thinking relationship relationship relationship will fvck up your present moment thinking and make you no fun to be around.......

No fun = no emotions = no sex = no relationship....

 

[Tariqa]

Always bottom line her actions, not her words.

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I basically get your formula and I agree with that. But one of the bigger questions was if she says she wants friendship only but her actions speak otherwise, do you still pursue? If so then dating profiles are useless and so is reputation.

 

[Tariqa]

She says she doesn't date men without cars and she knows you don't have a car, but she's eyeing you with intense passion. Actions speak louder than words so would you still pursue?

 

[stevo]

You're over analyzing women. They are not as complicated as you're making them seem.

If she says she doesnt date men without cars but when you touch her, she reciprocates. You ignore what she said and carry on.

If she says she's down to fcuk whomever and isnt looking for a relationship then dont waste your time.

If she's open to whatever, relationship or sex and she meets your expectation, you follow up as usual.

Go with any girl that has what you want. If your profile states relationship (without casual sex), they already know where you stand.

 

[Reykhel]

I basically get your formula and I agree with that. But one of the bigger questions was if she says she wants friendship only but her actions speak otherwise, do you still pursue? If so then dating profiles are useless and so is reputation.

Listen...

I'm not a fan of online dating. But I wouldn't take a girl who has written 'friendship' in her profile as a bad thing. In fact, it's positive.......what she is saying is "I have no expectations and I'm not demanding expectations from you either". Can you see the freedom in that?

Now, if you happen to hook up with her and bring "fun and excitement" into her life and show her that you are a cool, independent, confident, fun guy with his ****e together......and your (eventually) showing her a good time in the sack (we all got to test drive baby).......do you think she is going to want to keep seeing you??

These "what are you looking for " type questions forces people into a corner......

A relationship should really develop naturally if it's going to develop.......instant relationships (which I see a lot of women looking for) are not natural.

You can think of the relationship your looking for as a rose garden. You cannot force a rose to grow.......there is a natural process.

Observe her actions.....remember....women communicate differently than men. Women generally communicate covertly and men communicate overtly. You're forcing her to be overt......

You're dates are not wastes of time: it's all practice for the next one.

 

[Vivacity]

Some say that to keep a girl chasing you, you must appear as if you don't care and are just having fun. I am seeking a long term relationship and don't want to involve myself with women who aren't seeking the same which is why I will ask women on the first date what they are seeking or avoid profiles online that state they are only seeking to casually date or want to be "friends first" or are "open to anything" or any of the other dumb things women say they are looking for. Should a women's intentions be disregarded because women don't even know what they want or should you only judge by actions and not intentions?

If you have certain qualities in a partner and have certain objectives in mind, ALWAYS ask her or look in the initial conversations/communications with the girl if she has what you are looking for, so you both are compatible and you both are not wasting each other's time.

If you are looking for a relationship, look for a girl who is also looking for the same.
If you are looking for a marriage sometime down the line, look for a girl who is also looking for the same.
If you want to have children, look for the girl who also wants children.

Break-ups = Incompatibility.

 

[Tariqa]

If you have certain qualities in a partner and have certain objectives in mind, ALWAYS ask her or look in the initial conversations/communications with the girl if she has what you are looking for, so you both are compatible and you both are not wasting each other's time.

If you are looking for a relationship, look for a girl who is also looking for the same.
If you are looking for a marriage sometime down the line, look for a girl who is also looking for the same.
If you want to have children, look for the girl who also wants children.

Break-ups = Incompatibility.

This was my initial thoughts but If you read the thread, you will see most of the posters feel differently and I'm getting conflicting advice. You can't look for her if you don't ask her.

 

[Tariqa]

You're over analyzing women. They are not as complicated as you're making them seem.

If she says she doesnt date men without cars but when you touch her, she reciprocates. You ignore what she said and carry on.

If she says she's down to fcuk whomever and isnt looking for a relationship then dont waste your time.

If she's open to whatever, relationship or sex and she meets your expectation, you follow up as usual.

Go with any girl that has what you want. If your profile states relationship (without casual sex), they already know where you stand.

In that case, the dating pool is much more open. I know of so many women who say they won't date a guy like me but are the same ones messaging me for dates. That's why I'm so confused. She says she won't date an American but she wants me to take her out knowing my country of orgin?.


I get this so often and I Just generally avoid women who can't say what they really mean because it comes across to me as dishonest

 

[Alvafe]

What about a girl who claims she doesn't date men with no car and you have no car? Just keep pushing for sex and waiting for her to eventually fall for you?

This idea doesn't work for guys who actually dont have sex outside of a relationship

then find a dog or a cat, they will waste less of your money.

have more friends, dating sites are more for just want a easy quickie and just a beta paying for dinner, if you want so much a LTR then I ahve to break you, you will not find it online, you won't find it till you stop looking for it, have fun go out make more friends, talk with people.

then stop asking then for dinner, ask for a drink or 2 in a bar, if things go really well then you ask her to do something else with you, make a action date go out with her to do something, and don't waste money with then, they don't like to say they are strong woman who don't need a guy? so she can pay half of it, but also try to feel how things are going, if good maybe you can pay if you need to do it, but you need to push for sex, you are a guy you want sex, you will only spend time with a girl for a ltr for sex anything less then that is a friend

 

[Tariqa]

then find a dog or a cat, they will waste less of your money.

have more friends, dating sites are more for just want a easy quickie and just a beta paying for dinner, if you want so much a LTR then I ahve to break you, you will not find it online, you won't find it till you stop looking for it, have fun go out make more friends, talk with people.

then stop asking then for dinner, ask for a drink or 2 in a bar, if things go really well then you ask her to do something else with you, make a action date go out with her to do something, and don't waste money with then, they don't like to say they are strong woman who don't need a guy? so she can pay half of it, but also try to feel how things are going, if good maybe you can pay if you need to do it, but you need to push for sex, you are a guy you want sex, you will only spend time with a girl for a ltr for sex anything less then that is a friend

I don't typically do dinner I prefer all my dates to be free dates like parks and free musuems.

 

[Alvafe]

In that case, the dating pool is much more open. I know of so many women who say they won't date a guy like me but are the same ones messaging me for dates. That's why I'm so confused. She says she won't date an American but she wants me to take her out knowing my country of orgin?.


I get this so often and I Just generally avoid women who can't say what they really mean because it comes across to me as dishonest

because you are paying for then, they don't see a guy on you they see a wallet, also notice this, woman will string anyone along as long theya re usefull for something, a guy who can fix her car, a guy who can fix her computer, a guy who can pay for dinner, even teh guy "friend" who she always go after when the guy she open her legs to don't want her anymore.

only thing you can do is choose where you will be, if she put in a place you don't want its time to eject

 

[Tariqa]

because you are paying for then, they don't see a guy on you they see a wallet, also notice this, woman will string anyone along as long theya re usefull for something, a guy who can fix her car, a guy who can fix her computer, a guy who can pay for dinner, even teh guy "friend" who she always go after when the guy she open her legs to don't want her anymore.

only thing you can do is choose where you will be, if she put in a place you don't want its time to eject

I agree with you I just want a way to figure that out sooner rather than later thats why I suggested screening but no one here seems to agree

 

[Alvafe]

I agree with you I just want a way to figure that out sooner rather than later thats why I suggested screening but no one here seems to agree

screening is what you do during all the meetings you will have with her, if she can't pass your standards, you stop wasting time with her, also again online dating is really bad for that, plus part of the screening process is sex, if she really is bad at it and not willing to improve you should move on, I once had a girl really hot but she was really bad at sex, was more like a damn doll then a female, only missionary and with lights out and she was not willing to do anything else, well after the 3rd time I kinda make myself busy, sspend too much time without sex when young to settle with a crappy one now lol, read the DJ bible, I think was pook who said to write down on a paper what you want on a female

 

[Reykhel]

I agree with you I just want a way to figure that out sooner rather than later thats why I suggested screening but no one here seems to agree

Kid, open your eyes and read between the fvcking lines...

Dating period....also known as TRIAL PERIOD.......do you understand what a trial period is?
you are evaluating her to see does she pack what you require for a relationship.....

You're also observing her actions because her actions and not her words give the indication
of where her INTEREST LEVEL is......

This TRIAL PERIOD.......you also have a task: TO RAISE HER INTEREST LEVEL....

How do I do that you ask? I'm glad you asked. See the simple formula above.........you raise her interest level by your actions and behaviour........by bringing fun into her fvcking life....

You also date at least 3 women at a time. You don't have to spend massive money.......

You're in too much of a fvcking hurry and that is going to spill out in your subcommunications with women and they will run a fvcking mile from you....

What is your fvcking hurry? Why are you so desperate for a relationship? What can a relationship give you that you cannot give yourself?

So, once again....the Trial period:
1. You are fvcking screening
2. You are attempting to raise interest level

Can you manage the two things at once dough boy?

 

[Tariqa]

Kid, open your eyes and read between the fvcking lines...

Dating period....also known as TRIAL PERIOD.......do you understand what a trial period is?
you are evaluating her to see does she pack what you require for a relationship.....

You're also observing her actions because her actions and not her words give the indication
of where her INTEREST LEVEL is......

This TRIAL PERIOD.......you also have a task: TO RAISE HER INTEREST LEVEL....

How do I do that you ask? I'm glad you asked. See the simple formula above.........you raise her interest level by your actions and behaviour........by bringing fun into her fvcking life....

You also date at least 3 women at a time. You don't have to spend massive money.......

You're in too much of a fvcking hurry and that is going to spill out in your subcommunications with women and they will run a fvcking mile from you....

What is your fvcking hurry? Why are you so desperate for a relationship? What can a relationship give you that you cannot give yourself?

So, once again....the Trial period:
1. You are fvcking screening
2. You are attempting to raise interest level

Can you manage the two things at once dough boy?

Screening meaning ASKING questions. Judge by actions yes I agree words can lie but what if you can find a girl who says the right words AND has the right actions?

That's what I was looking for for 2 years and found no one

 

[Jetleg]

i always ask if they want to marry me on first date (srsly)

 

[Tictac]

That's what I was looking for for 2 years and found no one

And you won't. You are either a troll or you are deaf, dumb, stupid and blind.