I am a new member, so firstly I want to say hi to everybody. I am 16 years old.. and I am a little short, 5'7.. skinny.. 130 pounds and I look a little young for my age, which means I have little facial hair(close to none) and I am not built. But I am a good looking guy, and a smart guy. I have friends.. mostly guys though.. there are girls I could bang if I wanted.. but I am not that interested in them. I can go out almost everyday if I wish to, and I am not a sissy guy.. But the issue is that there is a little lack of respect from guys, and girls.. That thing has caused me to fall into depression at times.. Anyway, what I want to know is if the cause of disrespect is my being a little short skinny and undeveloped.
Short + Skinny + a little undeveloped = Deadly combination?
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organizedconfusion
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you're 16..the best advice i can give to you is NOT to fall for the BS that people throw at you when you are down on yourself, you may feel a little discouraged and want to fit in as much as possible and conform to the stardards..go ahead if you want to be like everyone else.i fell into the trap at around your age also, i was thin as a rail -people made fun of me,talked smack to me and used to pick on me relentlessly. until i stabbed someone(he was a big ol hulk hogan looking guy in his 40's) when i was 13 and i was sent to a delequent center for teens,it was all downhill from there..and i didn't fit in..anywhere.i faught everyday in school,chased teachers ,breaking things over peoples backs and countless stupid things because i 'thought' i would get 'respect'..all it got me was time at a crappy detention center(that was later shut down for a extremly poor success rate after completion of the program),expelled,and banned in the US school system...no joke, i could'nt go to any US schools in the US and my only option would be someplace like a military boarding school in germany.So i said fvck it,ran away from home- jumped place to place,stole,faught and took what i wanted and needed to survive,hooked up with a bunch of knuckle heads and thus opening a chapter of my life that would forever change me..i mean forever,somethings you can't take back and some mistakes cost people an eternity.
anyways, being 16- i thought i wanted to fit in,be liked,be feared,be whatever..at any cost and at any price..and that's what i did..at any cost. i was a lil skinny tony montana mother fvcker and just plain angry and crazy all the time..that's not cool dude, not cool at all...but that's gonna happen to you if you are not carefull.Because you mention being depressed, i bet you are also very very very angry inside.Anger turned inwards turns into depression..so i'd be carefull how you let that anger effect you. and NOT to let others effect you too much in a negative way...
you being short,skinny or whatever..would you still feel self-concious about it if no one made a big deal of it in the beggining??? i would say no...
do what you want man,i say- stand out from the crowd,voice your opinion and say fvck the world if they don't like you!!!! remember,i'd rather get mocked for who i am,then loved for someone i am not...:rockon:
you're only 16 dude, cut yourself some slack...i would say,eat healthy as possible and as much as possible- start a basic weight lifting regimine and you'll be set...heck, you say you already look good..this will just complete the package,and trust me- if guys don't like you now..imagine how they are gonna feel when some ripped 16 kid is stealing all their chicks!!! :woo:
-sarge on!!!! :rockon:
P.S.
nice title- you're right..it can be a deadly combination,if you 'understand'...
anyways, being 16- i thought i wanted to fit in,be liked,be feared,be whatever..at any cost and at any price..and that's what i did..at any cost. i was a lil skinny tony montana mother fvcker and just plain angry and crazy all the time..that's not cool dude, not cool at all...but that's gonna happen to you if you are not carefull.Because you mention being depressed, i bet you are also very very very angry inside.Anger turned inwards turns into depression..so i'd be carefull how you let that anger effect you. and NOT to let others effect you too much in a negative way...
you being short,skinny or whatever..would you still feel self-concious about it if no one made a big deal of it in the beggining??? i would say no...
do what you want man,i say- stand out from the crowd,voice your opinion and say fvck the world if they don't like you!!!! remember,i'd rather get mocked for who i am,then loved for someone i am not...:rockon:
you're only 16 dude, cut yourself some slack...i would say,eat healthy as possible and as much as possible- start a basic weight lifting regimine and you'll be set...heck, you say you already look good..this will just complete the package,and trust me- if guys don't like you now..imagine how they are gonna feel when some ripped 16 kid is stealing all their chicks!!! :woo:
-sarge on!!!! :rockon:
P.S.
nice title- you're right..it can be a deadly combination,if you 'understand'...
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You must first gain inner strength. Without that you will be but a lone boat in an ocean of madness. With enough inner strength you won't have to worry about how many times you can lift a metal bar over your head.
Read.
Meditate.
Sleep.
Focus.
You should be able to get discout tickets to the opera or symphony. Maybe visit an art gallery.
Read.
Meditate.
Sleep.
Focus.
You should be able to get discout tickets to the opera or symphony. Maybe visit an art gallery.
Friendly Otter
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But Sparky, don't you know any girls his age he'll find in an art gallery will be ugly chicks he shouldn't, I say shouldn't, touch with a ten-feet pole? 
Organized Confusion, holy ****, that's some story! And yet I can tell from how you write that you're an intelligent guy.
I'd suggest that you join something - a gym maybe, or my favorite, martial arts. I trained karate for seven years after having trained judo for five, and I liked it. Well, until I got bored. Still, it gave me some confidence knowing that I could, actually, win a fight against most, and hold my own against the rest. I liked that. Also, I never fell into the trap of rationalizing weakness by developing a bitterness toward strength.
Another thing I'd suggest that may sound a bit nerdy, but screw that: read the classics. You're sixteen in the best age technologically, but the worst age socially since the decline of Rome. Your head is stuffed full of mush, you don't learn about the right, gritty compass which should guide you. Learn from the men of the past: it doesn't have to be anything heavy, read Mark Twain's short-stories, he was the greatest literary genius in American history. And read George Orwell's 1984, learn some lessons about manipulation that other kids are too lazy to learn. Read Jack London, especially Call of the Wild and The Sea-Wolf; if I could make you read The Sea-Wolf, it would make me a very happy man.
Read Shogun and Tai-Pan, both awesomely good books by James Clavell that are not only exciting adventures in historic environments, but will teach you a lot about human psychology. And frankly, James Clavell's books provide the best possible literary examples of how men should act. Especially the main character in Tai-Pan. I wish all teenage guys would read it.
Organized Confusion, holy ****, that's some story! And yet I can tell from how you write that you're an intelligent guy.
Good advice. Then there's the unfortunate fact that sometimes, ThanosK, you'll just have to wait until you improve naturally with age. But yes, there are things you can do. Working out is probably the single most important way of self-improvement; to that you should add studies, always keep your grades up to the best of your ability, because you'll need that more than chasing girls. Even though chasing girls is also important.
I'd suggest that you join something - a gym maybe, or my favorite, martial arts. I trained karate for seven years after having trained judo for five, and I liked it. Well, until I got bored. Still, it gave me some confidence knowing that I could, actually, win a fight against most, and hold my own against the rest. I liked that. Also, I never fell into the trap of rationalizing weakness by developing a bitterness toward strength.
Another thing I'd suggest that may sound a bit nerdy, but screw that: read the classics. You're sixteen in the best age technologically, but the worst age socially since the decline of Rome. Your head is stuffed full of mush, you don't learn about the right, gritty compass which should guide you. Learn from the men of the past: it doesn't have to be anything heavy, read Mark Twain's short-stories, he was the greatest literary genius in American history. And read George Orwell's 1984, learn some lessons about manipulation that other kids are too lazy to learn. Read Jack London, especially Call of the Wild and The Sea-Wolf; if I could make you read The Sea-Wolf, it would make me a very happy man.
Read Shogun and Tai-Pan, both awesomely good books by James Clavell that are not only exciting adventures in historic environments, but will teach you a lot about human psychology. And frankly, James Clavell's books provide the best possible literary examples of how men should act. Especially the main character in Tai-Pan. I wish all teenage guys would read it.
typical
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Damn Organised con thats quite a story.
Listen to that man he knows what he's talking about.
Listen to that man he knows what he's talking about.
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
thanks for the replies everybody.. Organizedcon, ur story was amazing thx for sharing it man.
Friendly otter ur advice is great too.. I will start reading books and will include those u listed
I want to join a gym and workout.. but lifting weights.. I am afraid might stunt my growth..
Also.. if any1 can post any workarounds or confidence boosters for the height issue.. as I tend to hang out with really tall guys(like 6'3++) I would be grateful
Lastly, MrS yes, I am greek
Friendly otter ur advice is great too.. I will start reading books and will include those u listed
I want to join a gym and workout.. but lifting weights.. I am afraid might stunt my growth..
Also.. if any1 can post any workarounds or confidence boosters for the height issue.. as I tend to hang out with really tall guys(like 6'3++) I would be grateful
Lastly, MrS yes, I am greek
I'm sorry to say this, but yes, this is going to go against you. Even though I am tall, being thin went against me and people treated me like a pushover. Bulking up changed that completely!
Now the good news is, you're only 16 and I'm convinced you will get taller within the next few years. Most guys have growth spurts in their late teens, and some even in their mid 20s.
Second piece of good news is that bulking up is not really that difficult if you're willing to follow the right diet and put the work in at the gym...or even at home if you have space for weights and a bench (which is how I did a lot of my workouts). I followed Diesel's bulking guide and saw some major results within just 6 months.
If you are looking for motivation I highly recommend this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52092 Lifeforce is a guy who had the same problems as you and got into a weightlifting regieme and found his solution (mentally as well as physically).
As for weightlifting stunting your growth, I think that might be a myth, but I'll leave it upto the experts on here to confirm that. However, at 16 you will have to go easier than guys in their 20s.
The worst thing you can do is try to overcompensate for your size by pretending to be a hard man. So I suggest either you try bulking up or alternatively, try embracing your youthful look and go for a pretty boy image. I know some guys will give me flak for saying that, but pretty boys and metrosexuals have advantages! Even though many women prefer a strong masculine man, there are equally as many who like fresh-faced pretty boys (David Beckham, Jude Law, Orlando Bloom).
Now the good news is, you're only 16 and I'm convinced you will get taller within the next few years. Most guys have growth spurts in their late teens, and some even in their mid 20s.
Second piece of good news is that bulking up is not really that difficult if you're willing to follow the right diet and put the work in at the gym...or even at home if you have space for weights and a bench (which is how I did a lot of my workouts). I followed Diesel's bulking guide and saw some major results within just 6 months.
If you are looking for motivation I highly recommend this thread: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52092 Lifeforce is a guy who had the same problems as you and got into a weightlifting regieme and found his solution (mentally as well as physically).
As for weightlifting stunting your growth, I think that might be a myth, but I'll leave it upto the experts on here to confirm that. However, at 16 you will have to go easier than guys in their 20s.
The worst thing you can do is try to overcompensate for your size by pretending to be a hard man. So I suggest either you try bulking up or alternatively, try embracing your youthful look and go for a pretty boy image. I know some guys will give me flak for saying that, but pretty boys and metrosexuals have advantages! Even though many women prefer a strong masculine man, there are equally as many who like fresh-faced pretty boys (David Beckham, Jude Law, Orlando Bloom).
organizedconfusion
Master Don Juan
thanks guys
your post really hit home for me, i can totally relate and i know how it feels like to go through what you are..it's kinda weird when you are younger,everything is new,confusing,exciting,and can become overwhelming at times..especially when it seems like the odds are against you..the best thing to do sometimes really is to do your own thing and whats best for your future.And yes,you're only 16 and alot of time to grow..you will find your way and you will find people that will accept you just as you are but then also challenge you to be a better person :woo:
besides,why would you want the validation of people that put you down...
your post really hit home for me, i can totally relate and i know how it feels like to go through what you are..it's kinda weird when you are younger,everything is new,confusing,exciting,and can become overwhelming at times..especially when it seems like the odds are against you..the best thing to do sometimes really is to do your own thing and whats best for your future.And yes,you're only 16 and alot of time to grow..you will find your way and you will find people that will accept you just as you are but then also challenge you to be a better person :woo:
besides,why would you want the validation of people that put you down...
reyalp
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something my roommate said about being older (he's 46)
"i like being older, because i don't have to prove anything anymore"
when you're younger, you always want to prove something. prove that you're tough, prove that you're smart, whatever. you're not trying to prove it to yourself, you're trying to prove it to other people.
if you can get out of that mentality, you'll be decades ahead of people your age.
"i like being older, because i don't have to prove anything anymore"
when you're younger, you always want to prove something. prove that you're tough, prove that you're smart, whatever. you're not trying to prove it to yourself, you're trying to prove it to other people.
if you can get out of that mentality, you'll be decades ahead of people your age.
Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.
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Actually, Otter...Things are very different in the former Soviet Union. About the only good thing about Communism was that an appreciation for the arts was kept. Not perverse art (think urine and the cross in one jar), but classic timeless art.
I admit that I like a nice disco as much as the next boy or girl, but I am afraid that my ears can't take too many nights of euro-dance, house, or trance. I think I will limit my disco time for the months of July and August.
I admit that I like a nice disco as much as the next boy or girl, but I am afraid that my ears can't take too many nights of euro-dance, house, or trance. I think I will limit my disco time for the months of July and August.
WORKEROUTER
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Highschool is a time that you're going to look back at and say..wow, that was one helluva time.
Everyone so disorganized, everyone trying to prove something, everyone ultimately confused and trying to find themselves in life.
Girls are totally immature at that age. I got NO tail in highschool. I had girlfriends, but it wasn't until I was 18 that I lost my virginity. After that it was all over. :yes: :rockon:
If I was to do it all over again, I would have been able to pick up so many girls. But the only reason is because I've become more intune with myself since then and more confident with myself as a human being. Only having different experiences in your life can teach you this. It's stupid to tell you how I would do it..because I could only figure this out AFTER everything had passed.
I can only give you some basic advice. And that's to enjoy your time there right now. It might seem on some days that you hate highschool, that it's stupid, whatever. I was that guy for a long time, and you know what? I regret it. HS is going to pass really quickly, and before you know it, you're going to have the whole world in front of you. You're going to have all the chicks you want to f*ck. In the past year (I'm 19) of being on my own, I have banged eight different chicks ranging from 18 to 29.
Just try to enjoy your time in school right now. Find friends who you like. Read. Improve yourself. Work out. Bulk up...people are more than happy to help you here.
You're 16. Everyone is a little goofy at that age. But that's okay.
Everyone so disorganized, everyone trying to prove something, everyone ultimately confused and trying to find themselves in life.
Girls are totally immature at that age. I got NO tail in highschool. I had girlfriends, but it wasn't until I was 18 that I lost my virginity. After that it was all over. :yes: :rockon:
If I was to do it all over again, I would have been able to pick up so many girls. But the only reason is because I've become more intune with myself since then and more confident with myself as a human being. Only having different experiences in your life can teach you this. It's stupid to tell you how I would do it..because I could only figure this out AFTER everything had passed.
I can only give you some basic advice. And that's to enjoy your time there right now. It might seem on some days that you hate highschool, that it's stupid, whatever. I was that guy for a long time, and you know what? I regret it. HS is going to pass really quickly, and before you know it, you're going to have the whole world in front of you. You're going to have all the chicks you want to f*ck. In the past year (I'm 19) of being on my own, I have banged eight different chicks ranging from 18 to 29.
Just try to enjoy your time in school right now. Find friends who you like. Read. Improve yourself. Work out. Bulk up...people are more than happy to help you here.
You're 16. Everyone is a little goofy at that age. But that's okay.
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^No tail but girlfriends? Ha! I didn't have any dates or girlfriends, try that for hardup.
At least your problem is being skinny and not being fat. I was obese in high school and I still am. I was REALLY huge then, over 300, now I've been out a year and I'm down to around 260 but its gonna be another year and a half or two years before I'm down to the weight I need to be(180 or so).
Real skinny guys can get laid; there are chicks who dig skinny. What chicks dig obese?
At least your problem is being skinny and not being fat. I was obese in high school and I still am. I was REALLY huge then, over 300, now I've been out a year and I'm down to around 260 but its gonna be another year and a half or two years before I'm down to the weight I need to be(180 or so).
Real skinny guys can get laid; there are chicks who dig skinny. What chicks dig obese?
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And I'm not tall either. Because sometimes being tall can be a saving grace for fat guys.. I'm 5'7" too. Short and fat in a period of your life where its almost all looks= no sex.
Thankfully high school is behind me.
Thankfully high school is behind me.