She flaked

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Yep. She flaked.

She seemed quite classy, courteous and intelligent when we first met. Had a pretty good time. Made plans to go out again and then confirmed.

A few hours before we were supposed to meet she calls and says she can't make. I don't even remember the excuse. All I remember that it was a pretty lame one.

Do classy and courteous women still flake?

Do you guys still try one more time?

I know I'm opening a can of worms here.
 

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It can't hurt to try again, but I definitely wouldn't get your hopes up. Who knows, something actually might have come up? Trying to be positive here pal :)
 

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Just because she flaked on you doesn't mean "I didn't want to go out with you anyway" or anything like that. She might have actually had something come up. Call her, chat with her for a little bit, ask her what happened that made her change your plans, and make plans for some other time. If she just genuinely seems uninterested in making plans with you, just move on.
 

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I'm actually feeling positive. Not about anything coming out of this, but positive about myself.

Sure it sucks a little bit. But I've been through some pretty tough times to be bothered by something like this. It makes you wonder though...
 

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Set up another date. If she flakes again, don't call her or anything. Let her make the next contact after that.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Stop being such pussies, ohhh maybe if i try harder maybe next time she will give me a doggy treat?

If she doesn't want to reschedule and you feel it in your gut, listen to it!

Low interest or playing games.... NEXT the b1tch!!!
 

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Play the Game, You are talking logic. Logic and women do not belong in the same sentence.
 

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Mazeman11 said:
Yep. She flaked.

She seemed quite classy, courteous and intelligent when we first met. Had a pretty good time. Made plans to go out again and then confirmed.

A few hours before we were supposed to meet she calls and says she can't make. I don't even remember the excuse. All I remember that it was a pretty lame one.

Do classy and courteous women still flake?

Do you guys still try one more time?

I know I'm opening a can of worms here.
Maybe her excuse was legit. Or not. I suppose it couldn't hurt to try again. Personally, I give two to three chances.

But I've found that the women who act kind and classy very often aren't really all that kind OR classy. But you see, it's their loss.

You can give her another chance, but she should work just a little harder this time; it should be the same if you had flaked out on her.

Flaking out is also an assumption. Maybe it's based on different reasons... but if it was a real thing (like a death in thhe family), then it's not really an issue of her flaking out, but an issue of something coming up at the last minute.

And until you know for sure what that reason was for why she didn't show up, don't assume she just flaked.

Sometimes people flake. It's annoying, but really, you can't worry about it past a certain point.

I'm a small business owner. I used to get really frustrated (sometimes, I admit, I still do) because businesses never called back when they promised. I'd offer them money, I'd try to make a purchase, and I'd get ignored. Now I just move on to their competition. They snooze, they loose. Nothing personal, but I need a company that's going to be around when I need them.

And then there's special occasions where these businesses are going through rough times. There's a death in the bosses family, etc. I Forgive. But I'm slower to forget. Now if this company really wants my business, they'll have to work for it the next time I shop.

It's similar with women. If I want to go see a movie, and a woman doesn't call back, I see the movie anyway. She flakes, she doesn't, I still saw the movie, and still hopefully had some fun. It might be an idea. You've got two tickets to a baseball game, and she calls last minute to cancel? Invite your buddies. Got a reservation for a nice expensive restaurant for two? Invite another woman. Or let your folks use it, and you do something else fun.
 

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Play the Game said:
Stop being such pussies, ohhh maybe if i try harder maybe next time she will give me a doggy treat?

If she doesn't want to reschedule and you feel it in your gut, listen to it!

Low interest or playing games.... NEXT the b1tch!!!

It's not about trying harder, its about giving her another chance. Something actually may have come up. Things happen that we can't control. Maybe she just got nervous, who knows?

Besides, giving her another chance won't hurt that much, it would just be aggravating if she flakes again. If it happens and you KNOW that she has just made up an excuse, then you know she isn't worth your time.
 

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Years ago there was a girl who I had interest in. I felt deep down she had strong feelings towards me but tried her best to hide it by flaking and being inconsistent.

I remained persistent and ended up having a great thing going between us. Eventually she told me she was afraid because she liked me so much. Doesn't really make sense.

I guess the trick is to take it easy and show interest without stepping over the fine line which puts you in the needy category.
 

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Mazeman11 said:
Yep. She flaked.

She seemed quite classy, courteous and intelligent when we first met. Had a pretty good time. Made plans to go out again and then confirmed.

A few hours before we were supposed to meet she calls and says she can't make. I don't even remember the excuse. All I remember that it was a pretty lame one.

Do classy and courteous women still flake?

Do you guys still try one more time?

I know I'm opening a can of worms here.

I've noticed a trend here when I read a post about flaking. Most guys intrepret the initial date as a success, thinking the girl is great, her interest was high and he becomes eager to see her again. When he calls a few days later to set up another date, he's floored, confused, shocked, demoralized etc etc when the girl flakes and doesn't counter offer. Why? Because he failed to realize that he didn't create any attraction, he was so wrapped up in analyzing his feelings, that he didn't stop to really think if the girl felt the same way. Did he escalate the initial spark? Did he kiss close? Did he control the frame???

Yes Mazeman can try calling again. Infact if she's already tossed him off the bus, he's got nothing to lose by calling one more time. But think about it this way. Why persist with a woman who's clearly showing extremely low interest? Why should you set yourself up to be the doormat she dusts her shoes off with before she gets home? Even if you call again and she agrees to go out with you again, your already fighting a losing battle because this chick doesn't have high interest. Once interest level has fallen, its usually never worth the time or effort to attempt to restore it. The number one reason I see a countless number of guys chumping situations is a lack of options. If you don't have options, you don't have sh@t. Learning to recognize when to duck out and NEXT is a skill that will make you wise beyond your years.




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MazeMan, if the excuse really was lame then just don't bother with her anymore. Life is too short (and the divorce statistics too pessimistic) to waste time with low-interest broads.

Read the following ten posts and you will be able to judge your next course of action:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39729
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39769
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39785
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39887
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39888
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40188
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40241
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40347
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=40698
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=58363


Good job in playing the role of the man so far, though. Remember that being single is not failure. Failure is succombing to chumpishness or getting involved in a bad relationship. Just keep at it. Find other, more suitable women.
 

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I don't think I failed in realizing how things were going when we went out. The conversation was flowing very smoothly and we both seemed genuinely amused and overall happy. There were definitely signs of interest. I am neither blind nor am I a fool when it comes to body language and interaction. It is part of my job to interpret human gestures and I don't think I'm off track. If she was not initially interested, then she must have been one hell of an actress to pull off a play like that.

I think I handled the flakiness pretty well. I did not ask questions, act upset or try to come up with a smart ass remark like many people do. I simply said Ok and politely ended the call.

I don't ever see putting myself in a situation where I can be a doormat for anyone. I approach women as a man and can handle rejection as a man.

But when things don't go your way and when things don't make much sense, you wonder so you can learn and be a better judge of situations and character.
 

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I have never had a girl worth my time flake on me without giving me an alternative.

There have been times where I've asked a girl out and she'd agree. Then before the date something would come up (insert stupid excuse here). They wouldn't say anything like "I'm sorry, can we do this someother time? How about *insert date here*. It would simply be an excuse.

Then there have been times where a girl would agree, call me with an excuse, but give me an alternative date. Sometimes it was the very next day. Or even a later time that day.

The girls that didn't give me that, would simply cease to exist. I never gave them another thought.
 

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Yo Troops,


I like a lot of the advice already dispensed here so far. Most guys over here in THIS particular forum haven't read this, so I'm posting this from another thread in the Mature Man Forum that I started a little while ago. This should help shine a little MORE light on the subject of Flaking. So add this knowledge to your ever-growing Arsenal of Information, troops.

I hope it helps:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=128417

On the subject of FLAKE BOMBS

"Men, we all know that flaking is defined as a woman saying one thing and doing another-----UNEXPECTEDLY. And usually this is revealed in the context of missed appointments. Some more specific examples of this is when a woman agrees to a date, a phone call, an outing, etc. but then WITHOUT WARNING stands you up, or changes her mind then offers you a weak-assed excuse later (if you’re “lucky”), or otherwise blows you off (but not in the GOOD way…lol).

So this is what we mean by the word “flake”. But the explosive, “suddenness” of a woman blowing away your plans to get with her is what makes these events “Bomb-like”.

Why do they flake? It is usually due to a woman being somewhat attracted to you, but having no real recognition of your value as a man. Too much attraction and not enough value leads to a woman flaking on you. And too much value and not enough attraction leads to a woman categorizing you as a friend at best, or a tool for her to use for whatever purpose she chooses to AT WORST.


The NEGATIVE side of FLAKING:

Age has no bearing on women flaking, only Interest Level does. Think about it: Most of these chicks are rejecting you without having really gotten a chance to get to KNOW you. This is why a woman flaking on you is most of the time, NOT a true reflection on YOU, but rather a lack of high interest or character flaw on HER part.

Why do I say “lack of character” on her part? Because by flaking, she is actually showing you that she has NO respect for you as a person simply because you are a romantically interested MAN. If something “came up” on the day she was supposed to go out with her “girlfriends”, nine times out of ten, she’d call them and tell them.

And if something “came up” on the day she was supposed to go to work, nine times out of ten, GUESS WHAT???....she’d call her employers, AND TELL THEM. It’s usually a pretty safe bet that she WOULDN’T just say to herself “whatever”, and then just go on with her day like she never had AGREED to those events in the first place…

So when she doesn’t show YOU the decency of a call, rest assured that it is because she is full of disinterest, disdain, and/or inconsideration for you simply because you ARE a romantically interested man.

Women who flake are mostly those driven to inconsiderateness as a result of feminized Western men’s PEDESTALization of WOMAN----a sad reality that we men have been combating for almost a century. But don’t despair, we can overcome the onslaught of the Biscuit Chicks (the HOT and FLAKEY women) by winning ONE battle at a time, troops!

The reality IS, that most times you will never KNOW for sure what happened. Why? Because their flaky asses will probably NEVER tell you the whole story, let alone the TRUTH.


The POSITIVE side of FLAKING

What the fukk? IS there a positive side to flaking, you may be asking? Well, there CAN be…but ONLY if you look at it from a broader perspective. Here's something that has occurred to me recently, and it may serve as a reminder to ease the minds of many of you here who have the tendency of being TOO hard on yourselves about the injuries you’ve sustained from being hit with flake bombs:

Since I have improved MYSELF so much in such a short period of time, my OVERALL attractiveness has skyrocketed. Troops, I suggest to you that another reason why a lot of women flake on you is because you have BECOME more "initially" appealing to a much wider range of women.

The more of a good CATCH you are perceived to be by a larger population of women, then the wider your NET becomes for reeling them in. So it would stand to reason that once your initial “superficial” attractiveness "wears off" in the eyes of women, then they'll start to see you for who you really are INSIDE.

And my experience has taught me that the closer you get to a person, not only do you begin to see THEM more clearly, but they also see YOU more clearly as well.

And once this happens, the WRONG people for YOU will start to self-sabotage the potential relationship because they KNOW deep down that they are either unworthy of you, or incompatible with you. So once this occurs in the mind of a babe, her interest levels can start to plummet without warning. And as I have said many times to you before, this is when her transformation from "Interested Chick" to "Biscuit Chick" has begun.

So you see, that saying really is true. Water really DOES seek it’s own level. Many women ultimately end up running from a man whose presence requires them to raise their standards. So instead, they rush back into the arms of the familiar----the men who are on the same level as they already are (which is usually LOWER than yours…).

So when you detect a woman is losing interest in you based on lack of true CORE-LEVEL compatibility, then it’s usually best to just pull the plug and watch them swirl down the drain.

So what’s the solution? Well, it’s very involved, I’m afraid. For it takes forethought, discipline, and attention to detail to pull it off, but I know you can do it:

To survive exploding Flake Bombs, continue to have strict standards for what behavior you expect, and are willing to accept from a woman. Be “Spartan-Like” in your battle to protect YOUR OWN best interest. Never go against your gut. When you feel instinctively that the choice in any given situation is between keeping the woman or sacrificing your self-respect (Manhood)------choose your self-respect EVERY TIME. Nothing helps you face yourself every morning as you arise like KNOWING you have been true to who YOU really ARE inside.

And the trick to eliminating flaking altogether is to strike the right balance between attraction and value----and the thing that links these two projective qualities together perfectly is TIME spent in the presence of the woman. “If” you want MORE than just a short-term fling, your mission should always be to lead with ATTRACTION and immediately follow up with VALUE.

Any failure to do this will eventually become a failure to keep the majority of women interested long enough to enter the territory of long term relationships. Yes, failure to do this is why so many Cold Approaches (my FAVORITE type) turn into “frosted flakes”."
 

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So far the advice is pretty solid.

While we're on the topic of giving another "chance", has anyone actually been able to form any kind of decent relationship with a girl who initially showed signs of flaking?
 

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Well, I've gotten together with girls who I initially thought might be flaking on me but in reality actually had something come up. But every time it happened they always offered to do something at some other time. Usually if a girl flakes on me and I get the feeling in my gut that she doesn't really want me to bother her anymore, I'll just leave her be unless she calls me in which I would try to set up a meeting. If you do this though, don't expect her to call, because it probably won't happen.

I've found that most girls that flake on me either already have boyfriends, someone they're already seeing, or they're just plain weird and bltchy. AKA a girl you probably don't want to deal with anyway. Either way, it's not a big deal. You can go out NOW and meet multiple hot women who will give you the time of day if you want to.
 
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