"Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom "-I agree with this...

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Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom
by The Unknown Don


A few days ago I turned 40 and tonight I was just thinking about past relationships... the things that went right, the things that went wrong, and the outright disasters.

A little background. I'm a reasonably well-off, college-educated white male, 6'0" in good shape. I've been married once for 5 years, divorced for 3. I went through my AFC (wussy) phase in my late teens, but I was fortunate enough to snap out of it by the time I was 20. From then on it was smooth sailing.

I've been reading many of the articles and message threads here. I agree with quite a bit, but I think there are some areas that need a little fleshing out and amplification. So I'd like to share some of my observations in no particular order:

1) No matter how good-looking a woman is, she will always become boring (particularly sexually) with time. The boredom accelerates if the relationship becomes domestic (living together, marriage, etc.).

2) Men remain in boring relationships out of sentimentality or financial convenience... but rarely fear.

3) Over the long run, the periods that men are without a partner and frustrated are generally happier than being stuck in a relationship which has lost its luster.

4) Women generally do the selecting in the earliest phases of a relationship. Once a woman has committed herself emotionally, the balance of power shifts to the man (assuming he has some degree of self-confidence).

5) Contrary to the myth that "looks don't matter" to women, physical attraction may be the primary and key deciding factor for a woman. However, it is difficult to determine just what will be physically attractive to any particular female. Even though men also value looks, they are far more willing to initially compromise on looks in the pursuit of sex.

6) If a woman is initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do wrong on a first date.

7) If a woman is not initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do right on a first date.

8) Always pay attention to a woman's actions. If she says she likes you but will not respond to kissing or touching, then she doesn't like you. Move on immediately.

9) Just like there are many men who are simply *******s, the same goes for women. If a woman is rude or inconsiderate in the first few dates, move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

10) Any strange psychological problems, drug problems or baggage... move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

11) All women have the same body parts. Don't obsess over one particular female based on appearance. It's a waste of life.

12) The vast majority of men get rejected much more often than they seal the deal. If you are rejected you are simply shooting par. Relax.

13) Above all, women crave attention. Women want to date rock stars not because they find the man himself exciting, but because they find the thought of sharing the limelight exciting. Ask any young girl what she wants to be. Top answers: model, actress, singer.

14) The sad truth is that we can only truly know ourselves. A wonderful woman you marry today and trust completely may change radically over the course of time to become your most vicious enemy. There is absolutely no way to predict this or stop this from happening. It is, ultimately, a matter of chance.

15) There are far more available women out there than you think.

16) Humans are generally not very good at monogamy. Most men in long-term relationships cheat to varying degrees, and a great number of women do as well. It's simply a matter of biology. If you discover that your significant other had an affair, the best course of action may sometimes be to take the high road and let it go.

17) Never, never, never be afraid to approach a female. To reiterate: they all have the same body parts, and they are all composed of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and trace elements. There isn't a single woman on Earth who is "above" you, no matter what her affectations and social pretenses.

18) Women tend to be far more pragmatic about relationships than men.

19) Unconditional love is a nice sentiment, but does not generally apply to male/female relationships. It does however, almost always apply to female/child, and to a slightly lesser extent, male/child relationships.

20) Never become financially entangled with a female. If you decide to marry, do not even think of doing so without a prenuptial agreement. This is common practice in Europe, however there is still a social stigma attached to these agreements in the U.S.

21) Sex is generally overrated. The amount of effort expended in obtaining it vs. the payoff is absurd.

22) If a woman in a relationship begins to lose interest, it is usually impossible to regain it. The feelings you are having of confusion and fear mean something... trust your gut and move on immediately.

23) After breakups, men usually tend to forget about the sexual boredom and once again find their past girlfriends exciting.

24) If a woman has not gained some form of emotional stability by the time she is her mid-twenties, then it is too late. Move on immediately.

25) Avoid women with a large number of pets or women who pay unusual amounts of attention to their pets.

26) Most first-time marriages fail. Consider that if you decide to get married, there is better than a coin-flip chance that you will be divorced. If any other civil contract had as high a failure rate, Congress would outlaw it. The world has changed dramatically in the last three or four decades and many people have postponed marriage until much later in life, or simply never get married.

27) If you do decide to get married, remember that it IS a contract - one that you can't get out of without a great deal of expense and pain. Never be sentimental about marriage. Love is only one piece of the pie. You may love a woman terribly, but you may also be unable to deal with her in everyday affairs and money matters.

28) Avoid women with addictions, particularly the big three: nicotine, alcohol, and born-again Christianity.

29) Never avoid discussing something that bothers you out of fear of losing the relationship. Most relationships will - sooner or later - be lost anyway. It's better to stand up for yourself early on.

30) Always keep the ego in check. If a woman you are approaching for the first time is rude or obnoxious, simply go away. Tossing an insult or scathingly witty comment back simply demonstrates that your self-confidence is far lower than hers. Always, always, always take the higher road. This doesn't mean be a pushover, it means you bend with the wind (kind of a Zen thing). The best way to disarm an obnoxious female is to treat her with courtesy and respect.

31) There is an inverse relationship between self-confidence and concern with what others think of you.

32) Self-confident men desire sex, but don't dwell on it.

33) Most reasonable, normal women will make it clear if they are attracted to you or not very early on. Period. If you have difficulty reading a woman's motives, or find yourself dwelling on what she meant by something she said, or you can't seem to pin down a date, then move on immediately.

Hope this helps.


---Realnezz:My question is where is the disconnect from the Bible/the main page/Allen's teachings and this forum?

Most of this is very,very accurate yet most posters here run the opposite way.

I wonder why?
 

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that was VERY VERY VERY TRUE.


just about all of it was true.

it does come off negatively....but its realistic..and just because there isnt a 100 percent chance marriage will work, it doenst mean dont try..just be aware things happen.
 

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As an older guy I concur with everything on here. Never be afraid to approach a woman.

Just a few days ago, I approached a hot redheaded broad at the bar. She knew she was hot - you could tell in her body language. But, she was a very cold person. I politely asked her if she was waiting for someone, and she very coldly turned to me and said 'yes'. Glaring at me as if I just insulted her mother.

I politely replied, "Great, have a good evening then."

Yesterday I saw the same woman in the mall. I said, "Hi" as she walked past me. She did not reply. She merely glared at me with the most angry looking, mean expression on her face.

Typical Torontonian woman.

But you know what? F*ck her. One day her looks will start fading and she'll long for the days when a guy like me would approach her, and at that time, she'll still have no personality.

Would I really want to be involved with a woman who has a snotty, stuck up personality like this right off the bat? Hell no.
 

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^ I heard canadian women are easy.


But that mini-fr you posted you might wanna look at my recent threads.It's a perfect example of why rarley do sh!t like that anymore.So many women are choosing and looking for men out there right now why waste time on one who isn't?
 

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Originally posted by Tha Realnezz
^ I heard canadian women are easy.


But that mini-fr you posted you might wanna look at my recent threads.It's a perfect example of why rarley do sh!t like that anymore.So many women are choosing and looking for men out there right now why waste time on one who isn't?
Realnezz, why do you post here if you have no problems with women? You seem like you get them whenever you try.
 

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pu$$y galore (bond reference)

25) Avoid women with a large number of pets or women who pay unusual amounts of attention to their pets.
Heh.. my last ex had so many freakn' pets in her house it was rediculous. Right after we broke up she got a second job handling pets at a pet store to get out of debt and pay rent. She always sent SMS to her friends of "Isn't my black kittie cute?" 22 year old acting like a teenie popper. What gives?.... Probably not related but she also had a huge obsession with weapon collecting. Knives, swords, ninja stars, brass knuckles, scythes.

Anyway, I would be interested to hear the theory behind why the large number of pets is a big red flag.
 

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Originally posted by ethnomethodologist
You seem like you get them whenever you try.

^Nah I wish..I'm getting there though.

That's cuz I choose my targets carefully & try what they say too seriously.
 

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not bad overall, lots of good common sense.

however, it fails to get over to the next level and ignores some things you can do to have more control.

Basically gold advice for an AFC, but someone who knows and understands women and relationships better can transcend it.
 

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15) There are far more available women out there than you think.

^That's something that needs to reinforced here.Women are choosing(looking for men) at all times.

Yes,goodlooking women are looking for men too.Don't waste time on b!tches that don't wanna act right.
 

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Re: pu$$y galore (bond reference)

Originally posted by resilient
Heh.. my last ex had so many freakn' pets in her house it was rediculous. Right after we broke up she got a second job handling pets at a pet store to get out of debt and pay rent. She always sent SMS to her friends of "Isn't my black kittie cute?" 22 year old acting like a teenie popper. What gives?.... Probably not related but she also had a huge obsession with weapon collecting. Knives, swords, ninja stars, brass knuckles, scythes.

Anyway, I would be interested to hear the theory behind why the large number of pets is a big red flag.

Id like to know what the big obsession with pets has to do with a red flag? Im dating a woman that has a dog, cat, and a pet turtle
 

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Originally posted by Tha Realnezz
This was on the main page:

Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom
by The Unknown Don


A few days ago I turned 40 and tonight I was just thinking about past relationships... the things that went right, the things that went wrong, and the outright disasters.

A little background. I'm a reasonably well-off, college-educated white male, 6'0" in good shape. I've been married once for 5 years, divorced for 3. I went through my AFC (wussy) phase in my late teens, but I was fortunate enough to snap out of it by the time I was 20. From then on it was smooth sailing.

I've been reading many of the articles and message threads here. I agree with quite a bit, but I think there are some areas that need a little fleshing out and amplification. So I'd like to share some of my observations in no particular order:

1) No matter how good-looking a woman is, she will always become boring (particularly sexually) with time. The boredom accelerates if the relationship becomes domestic (living together, marriage, etc.).

2) Men remain in boring relationships out of sentimentality or financial convenience... but rarely fear.

3) Over the long run, the periods that men are without a partner and frustrated are generally happier than being stuck in a relationship which has lost its luster.

4) Women generally do the selecting in the earliest phases of a relationship. Once a woman has committed herself emotionally, the balance of power shifts to the man (assuming he has some degree of self-confidence).

5) Contrary to the myth that "looks don't matter" to women, physical attraction may be the primary and key deciding factor for a woman. However, it is difficult to determine just what will be physically attractive to any particular female. Even though men also value looks, they are far more willing to initially compromise on looks in the pursuit of sex.

6) If a woman is initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do wrong on a first date.

7) If a woman is not initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do right on a first date.

8) Always pay attention to a woman's actions. If she says she likes you but will not respond to kissing or touching, then she doesn't like you. Move on immediately.

9) Just like there are many men who are simply *******s, the same goes for women. If a woman is rude or inconsiderate in the first few dates, move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

10) Any strange psychological problems, drug problems or baggage... move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

11) All women have the same body parts. Don't obsess over one particular female based on appearance. It's a waste of life.

12) The vast majority of men get rejected much more often than they seal the deal. If you are rejected you are simply shooting par. Relax.

13) Above all, women crave attention. Women want to date rock stars not because they find the man himself exciting, but because they find the thought of sharing the limelight exciting. Ask any young girl what she wants to be. Top answers: model, actress, singer.

14) The sad truth is that we can only truly know ourselves. A wonderful woman you marry today and trust completely may change radically over the course of time to become your most vicious enemy. There is absolutely no way to predict this or stop this from happening. It is, ultimately, a matter of chance.

15) There are far more available women out there than you think.

16) Humans are generally not very good at monogamy. Most men in long-term relationships cheat to varying degrees, and a great number of women do as well. It's simply a matter of biology. If you discover that your significant other had an affair, the best course of action may sometimes be to take the high road and let it go.

17) Never, never, never be afraid to approach a female. To reiterate: they all have the same body parts, and they are all composed of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and trace elements. There isn't a single woman on Earth who is "above" you, no matter what her affectations and social pretenses.

18) Women tend to be far more pragmatic about relationships than men.

19) Unconditional love is a nice sentiment, but does not generally apply to male/female relationships. It does however, almost always apply to female/child, and to a slightly lesser extent, male/child relationships.

20) Never become financially entangled with a female. If you decide to marry, do not even think of doing so without a prenuptial agreement. This is common practice in Europe, however there is still a social stigma attached to these agreements in the U.S.

21) Sex is generally overrated. The amount of effort expended in obtaining it vs. the payoff is absurd.

22) If a woman in a relationship begins to lose interest, it is usually impossible to regain it. The feelings you are having of confusion and fear mean something... trust your gut and move on immediately.

23) After breakups, men usually tend to forget about the sexual boredom and once again find their past girlfriends exciting.

24) If a woman has not gained some form of emotional stability by the time she is her mid-twenties, then it is too late. Move on immediately.

25) Avoid women with a large number of pets or women who pay unusual amounts of attention to their pets.

26) Most first-time marriages fail. Consider that if you decide to get married, there is better than a coin-flip chance that you will be divorced. If any other civil contract had as high a failure rate, Congress would outlaw it. The world has changed dramatically in the last three or four decades and many people have postponed marriage until much later in life, or simply never get married.

27) If you do decide to get married, remember that it IS a contract - one that you can't get out of without a great deal of expense and pain. Never be sentimental about marriage. Love is only one piece of the pie. You may love a woman terribly, but you may also be unable to deal with her in everyday affairs and money matters.

28) Avoid women with addictions, particularly the big three: nicotine, alcohol, and born-again Christianity.

29) Never avoid discussing something that bothers you out of fear of losing the relationship. Most relationships will - sooner or later - be lost anyway. It's better to stand up for yourself early on.

30) Always keep the ego in check. If a woman you are approaching for the first time is rude or obnoxious, simply go away. Tossing an insult or scathingly witty comment back simply demonstrates that your self-confidence is far lower than hers. Always, always, always take the higher road. This doesn't mean be a pushover, it means you bend with the wind (kind of a Zen thing). The best way to disarm an obnoxious female is to treat her with courtesy and respect.

31) There is an inverse relationship between self-confidence and concern with what others think of you.

32) Self-confident men desire sex, but don't dwell on it.

33) Most reasonable, normal women will make it clear if they are attracted to you or not very early on. Period. If you have difficulty reading a woman's motives, or find yourself dwelling on what she meant by something she said, or you can't seem to pin down a date, then move on immediately.

Hope this helps.


---Realnezz:My question is where is the disconnect from the Bible/the main page/Allen's teachings and this forum?

Most of this is very,very accurate yet most posters here run the opposite way.

I wonder why?
I agree with 97 percent of this article. These are the ones I dont agree with.....

#5 Looks are important but are not the deciding factor. I think a man's face plays the important role in looks. If she likes your eyes, smile, or dimples you are in. Body wise just as long as you are height weight proportionate you are fine.

#6 Looks get you in the door but if you dont have the personality to back it up this will spell your doom believe me. You can still F up with your mouth.

#14 Her falling out of love or becoming a vicious enemy is your fault. She may be boring in bed, but if you keep the even blend of personality used to initaially shag her there is no way she will lose interest. Keep her on her toes make her work for your affection and then reward her when she least expects it. A relationship is a full time job and when you put 50 percent in you get 50 percent from her.

I also question the pet theory, but I am sure there is a good explanation somewhere.
 

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it sounds like advice from a nice guy, who will accept what will come to him, depend on his look and do no much things to double his scores.

the writer is no way a Playboy
 

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Re: Re: "Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom "-I agree with this...

Originally posted by Zman1
Keep her on her toes make her work for your affection and then reward her when she least expects it.


absolutely true

Originally posted by Zman1
A relationship is a full time job and when you put 50 percent in you get 50 percent from her.

no.

Stop thinking about relationships in terms of 50/50. Thats the problem with the society today. It should be 100/100. A man should give 100% of what is right, and a woman should give 100% of what a woman does.

Its absolutely wrong to think of it as a partnership with two equal partners. Its a lot more complicated, its a yingyang situation, where the two parts are equal and but also unique. One cannot function without the other, yet they are not one and the same.
 

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Re: Re: Re: "Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom "-I agree with this...

Originally posted by Egoist
absolutely true



no.

Stop thinking about relationships in terms of 50/50. Thats the problem with the society today. It should be 100/100. A man should give 100% of what is right, and a woman should give 100% of what a woman does.

Its absolutely wrong to think of it as a partnership with two equal partners. Its a lot more complicated, its a yingyang situation, where the two parts are equal and but also unique. One cannot function without the other, yet they are not one and the same.

Sorry you misunderstood me. I meant the 50 percent thing as a negative. When you put in 50 percent instead of 100 of your 100 percent share you lose her.
 

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Re: Re: pu$$y galore (bond reference)

Originally posted by Zman1
Id like to know what the big obsession with pets has to do with a red flag? Im dating a woman that has a dog, cat, and a pet turtle
they give more attention and affection to their pets than the human beings in their lives - dysfunctional personality.
 

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Does anyone have a link to the original thread? I tried searching but a lot of the old goldies got deleted somehow.
 

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I disagree with some points but mostly it's great advice!
 

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Tha Realnezz said:
This was on the main page:

Sharing 25 Years of Dating Wisdom
by The Unknown Don


A few days ago I turned 40 and tonight I was just thinking about past relationships... the things that went right, the things that went wrong, and the outright disasters.

A little background. I'm a reasonably well-off, college-educated white male, 6'0" in good shape. I've been married once for 5 years, divorced for 3. I went through my AFC (wussy) phase in my late teens, but I was fortunate enough to snap out of it by the time I was 20. From then on it was smooth sailing.

I've been reading many of the articles and message threads here. I agree with quite a bit, but I think there are some areas that need a little fleshing out and amplification. So I'd like to share some of my observations in no particular order:

1) No matter how good-looking a woman is, she will always become boring (particularly sexually) with time. The boredom accelerates if the relationship becomes domestic (living together, marriage, etc.).

2) Men remain in boring relationships out of sentimentality or financial convenience... but rarely fear.

3) Over the long run, the periods that men are without a partner and frustrated are generally happier than being stuck in a relationship which has lost its luster.

4) Women generally do the selecting in the earliest phases of a relationship. Once a woman has committed herself emotionally, the balance of power shifts to the man (assuming he has some degree of self-confidence).

5) Contrary to the myth that "looks don't matter" to women, physical attraction may be the primary and key deciding factor for a woman. However, it is difficult to determine just what will be physically attractive to any particular female. Even though men also value looks, they are far more willing to initially compromise on looks in the pursuit of sex.

6) If a woman is initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do wrong on a first date.

7) If a woman is not initially physically attracted to a man, there is very little he can do right on a first date.

8) Always pay attention to a woman's actions. If she says she likes you but will not respond to kissing or touching, then she doesn't like you. Move on immediately.

9) Just like there are many men who are simply *******s, the same goes for women. If a woman is rude or inconsiderate in the first few dates, move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

10) Any strange psychological problems, drug problems or baggage... move on immediately -- it will not get better with time.

11) All women have the same body parts. Don't obsess over one particular female based on appearance. It's a waste of life.

12) The vast majority of men get rejected much more often than they seal the deal. If you are rejected you are simply shooting par. Relax.

13) Above all, women crave attention. Women want to date rock stars not because they find the man himself exciting, but because they find the thought of sharing the limelight exciting. Ask any young girl what she wants to be. Top answers: model, actress, singer.

14) The sad truth is that we can only truly know ourselves. A wonderful woman you marry today and trust completely may change radically over the course of time to become your most vicious enemy. There is absolutely no way to predict this or stop this from happening. It is, ultimately, a matter of chance.

15) There are far more available women out there than you think.

16) Humans are generally not very good at monogamy. Most men in long-term relationships cheat to varying degrees, and a great number of women do as well. It's simply a matter of biology. If you discover that your significant other had an affair, the best course of action may sometimes be to take the high road and let it go.

17) Never, never, never be afraid to approach a female. To reiterate: they all have the same body parts, and they are all composed of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and trace elements. There isn't a single woman on Earth who is "above" you, no matter what her affectations and social pretenses.

18) Women tend to be far more pragmatic about relationships than men.

19) Unconditional love is a nice sentiment, but does not generally apply to male/female relationships. It does however, almost always apply to female/child, and to a slightly lesser extent, male/child relationships.

20) Never become financially entangled with a female. If you decide to marry, do not even think of doing so without a prenuptial agreement. This is common practice in Europe, however there is still a social stigma attached to these agreements in the U.S.

21) Sex is generally overrated. The amount of effort expended in obtaining it vs. the payoff is absurd.

22) If a woman in a relationship begins to lose interest, it is usually impossible to regain it. The feelings you are having of confusion and fear mean something... trust your gut and move on immediately.

23) After breakups, men usually tend to forget about the sexual boredom and once again find their past girlfriends exciting.

24) If a woman has not gained some form of emotional stability by the time she is her mid-twenties, then it is too late. Move on immediately.

25) Avoid women with a large number of pets or women who pay unusual amounts of attention to their pets.

26) Most first-time marriages fail. Consider that if you decide to get married, there is better than a coin-flip chance that you will be divorced. If any other civil contract had as high a failure rate, Congress would outlaw it. The world has changed dramatically in the last three or four decades and many people have postponed marriage until much later in life, or simply never get married.

27) If you do decide to get married, remember that it IS a contract - one that you can't get out of without a great deal of expense and pain. Never be sentimental about marriage. Love is only one piece of the pie. You may love a woman terribly, but you may also be unable to deal with her in everyday affairs and money matters.

28) Avoid women with addictions, particularly the big three: nicotine, alcohol, and born-again Christianity.

29) Never avoid discussing something that bothers you out of fear of losing the relationship. Most relationships will - sooner or later - be lost anyway. It's better to stand up for yourself early on.

30) Always keep the ego in check. If a woman you are approaching for the first time is rude or obnoxious, simply go away. Tossing an insult or scathingly witty comment back simply demonstrates that your self-confidence is far lower than hers. Always, always, always take the higher road. This doesn't mean be a pushover, it means you bend with the wind (kind of a Zen thing). The best way to disarm an obnoxious female is to treat her with courtesy and respect.

31) There is an inverse relationship between self-confidence and concern with what others think of you.

32) Self-confident men desire sex, but don't dwell on it.

33) Most reasonable, normal women will make it clear if they are attracted to you or not very early on. Period. If you have difficulty reading a woman's motives, or find yourself dwelling on what she meant by something she said, or you can't seem to pin down a date, then move on immediately.

Hope this helps.
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Great post should be ingrained in the bible.
A 40 year old guy giving his view on things, from experiance not got out of a book pure experiance spanning alot of years.
Very very true all of it, wish i knew this stuff and believed in it before i made the choice to get married, but like all things most learn the hard way!

Take note it is golden sh** right here.
 
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