Sanford PD braces itself for Zimmerman riots

[Hustlaz Ambition]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lW4-BnMRzs

http://www.infowars.com/sanford-police-chief-fears-violence-in-response-to-zimmerman-verdict/

alot of hoodrats are about to get killed. This is not 20 years ago, so this won't even be nowhere near as effective as the Rodney King riots were. Technology and weaponry is more advanced today so this won't go on long at all if it happens.

 

[Jaylan]

^Id say manslaughter is the right charge. We just dont have enough facts or evidence to warrant him serving more time on a murder charge. Im not exactly sure what Zimmermans frame of mind was the night he killed Martin, but as it stands it looks like he made a series of bad judgement and it wouldnt be wrong for him to serve a few years.

Hell, even if he served 2 years, he would have to be on lockdown all the time for his own safety.

PS - Lol, this is clearly a bait thread aimed to draw in some of our more feisty members.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I live in Clearwater and expect rioting if Zimmerman is declared innocent.

But my thought is, Zimmerman will be charged with involuntary manslaughter and serve 5-10 years. I'd like to see Zimmerman serve more time, but it'll likely never happen.

He's charged with second degree murder, and he's on trial for second degree murder. He'll only go to jail if he's found guilty of second degree murder.

Given the way the trial has been going, this is very unlikely. In order to convict him of second degree murder, they've got to PROVE that he killed with a "depraved mind" and "ill will."

They had a CHANCE to charge him with manslaughter, but they wanted to go for the jugular instead.

They can't charge him with one thing, and then find him guilty of something else.

Of course, there's always jury nullification. They might find the facts say he's not guilty of second degree murder, but send him to the slammer anyways.

The truly sad thing is that if he DOES walk and there IS a riot, the ONLY damage the rioters will likely do is to THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS.

 

[Justin Time]

Florida, the only place that will lock you up for ten years for a stash of weed and get away with killing someone without so much as a slap on the wrist.

Either way, people can't trust people in their own neighborhood sucks. Not every young person is intent on causing trouble, and not every person that has a gun is sane and responsible. ANYway..

I hope Ed Snow gives the U.S gov't a real run. This is BS. of taking away people's constitutional rights under the guise of "safety" when I have been in more danger from police than any terrorist is a farce. Then they turn around and hand over guns to the same dam* terrorists they say they're protecting us from. Operation northwoods (google it). Really? Really??? Those in power tend to do their damnedest to stay in power, so it really isn't a democracy, it's a multi-dictatorship based on mutual interests of those in power. Screw the people.

 

[Jaylan]

Taiyuu, you may want to do your homework.

You can always charge and convict someone of a lesser related charge in a criminal case. The lesser charge of manslaughter is usually on the table in murder cases in case of a plea deal, or so the jury can convict on the lesser charge if the murder charge wont stick.

Zimmerman has a realistic chance of going down for manslaughter. In Florida, murder 2 carries the lesser charge of manslaughter.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

In order to charge him with manslaughter, they'd have to have another trial. Otherwise they'd charge EVERYBODY with murder and then just take what they can get.

And they can't do that due to double jeopardy.

He's either guilty of murder two, or he walks.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/322867

Would he be found guilty of manslaughter? Maybe, but he cannot now be charged with that.

And plea deals are for BEFORE going to trial. Once you charge somebody, and go to trial, you win or lose, based on the charges. And the charges in this case are second degree murder.

It's my prediction (and the cops, since they're going door to door to warn folks) that he'll walk.

Unless the previous jury nullification comes into play.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Is there a particular reason for which an entire group of people feels the need to riot if they disagree with a decision from a judge?

Is that somekind of psychological warfare so that group will have a special treatment for all his members?... didnt recall the US to be tribal pakistan.

 

[Vice]

The truly sad thing is that if he DOES walk and there IS a riot, the ONLY damage the rioters will likely do is to THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS.

Usually their neighborhoods wouldn't look too different after a riot.

 

[Hustlaz Ambition]

Is there a particular reason for which an entire group of people feels the need to riot if they disagree with a decision from a judge?

Is that somekind of psychological warfare so that group will have a special treatment for all his members?... didnt recall the US to be tribal pakistan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56t44LycY5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1w0M9OV4s

They pretty much put that spirit in Florida with these antics.

 

[Deep Dish]

In order to charge him with manslaughter, they'd have to have another trial. Otherwise they'd charge EVERYBODY with murder and then just take what they can get.

And they can't do that due to double jeopardy.

It’s the law of the land in Florida that, since manslaughter is an automatic lesser included charge, no re-trial is necessary. This is only for second degree murder. Under first degree murder, you must explicitly charge the lesser included manslaughter.

 

[Who Dares Win]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56t44LycY5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1w0M9OV4s

They pretty much put that spirit in Florida with these antics.

Cant really tell the difference between him and Jean Marie Le Pen apart the skin color and the fact that one is called a hater while the other a "human right activists".

 

[Jaylan]

It’s the law of the land in Florida that, since manslaughter is an automatic lesser included charge, no re-trial is necessary. This is only for second degree murder. Under first degree murder, you must explicitly charge the lesser included manslaughter.

This.

Taiyuu apparently hasnt followed the facts of this case as closely as others. Every media outlet and lawyer blogging about this case has told everyone that murder 2 carries the lesser change of manslaughter.

Also, yes plea deals can be accepted during a trial before it ends. But usually the prosecution has a ton of leverage if it gets to that point, because the defendant is usually trying to avoid harsher sentencing.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It’s the law of the land in Florida that, since manslaughter is an automatic lesser included charge, no re-trial is necessary. This is only for second degree murder. Under first degree murder, you must explicitly charge the lesser included manslaughter.

So how exactly does that work, then? Does the jury automatically deliberate both charges, or do they need to be told? Or do they have the option?

What would the specific instructions to the jury be, when the trial is concluded?

Do they automatically deliberate on both counts?

Do you think people will still riot of he's found guilty of manslaughter, and not murder?

It would appear the cops seem to think there's a chance of something going down, as they've been going door to door...

When is this whole thing supposed to end, anyhow?

 

[FairShake]

In my mind the jury WILL convict Zimmerman. If he walks I will understand completely if rioting erupts. And don't think they those jurors forgot LA in 1992. They don't want to be responsible for chaos. And they DEFINITELY don't want to live life on a swivel.

Well that's just grand. Forget justice and regarding the weighing of fact. Vote for whomever has the most violent supporters.

Amurrrrrrrrrrrica!

 

[Warrior74]

In a case where two idiots collide, the idiot with the most idiot friends wins I suppose. Manslaughter would be justified if self defense can't be proven. At the end of the day none of us where there and none of us knows what really went down. All we know is that a 17 year old kid is dead and a man's life is ruined.

 

[Married Buried]

In a case where two idiots collide, the idiot with the most idiot friends wins I suppose. Manslaughter would be justified if self defense can't be proven. At the end of the day none of us where there and none of us knows what really went down. All we know is that a 17 year old kid is dead and a man's life is ruined.

I don't really give a damn about this case. But I think Zimmerman is a fool for following someone around with a gun. You are not a cop Zimmerman, bug off. I don't blame the kid for beating your ass.

I don't care if Zimmerman fries. I hope he does. But another part of me wants him to get off just to see the riots.

At the end of the day, I don't give a damn, because 100 stories like this happen every day, but this is the one shoved down our throats.

 

[Upside]

All of the witnesses so far have been ROFL-copter worthy. Absolute comedic gold. The skype phone call interrupted by internet trolls? What a genius way to put the cherry on top of this **** sundae of a trial.

Guilty...not guilty...i have no clue. I am leaning at this point of not guilty just because the prosecution hasn't convinced me but its not like I have really been paying attention anyway.

One thing I do know....the media LOVES...and I mean absolutely LOVES LOVES LOVES...a controversial race topic. Even stories that have nothing to do with race tend to have some subtle hint of racial pixie dust. I never really paid attention to it. Big turn off. Even PBS isn't immune ffs. I have nowhere to go for news anymore. What a shame.

 

[Married Buried]

I was watching the trial yesterday. Zimmerman was doing MMA training at the gym 6 hours a week. So we are supposed to believe Zimmerman was getting beat MMA style and not the kid?

 

[3countriesPlan]

I don't see how anyone who is objective would think that he is guilty of Murda2.

Voluntary anslaughter maybe, just based on the fact that he seems to have maybe set the whole thing in motion by following Trayvon Martin around -- of course you never know what exactly went down -- but of course Zimmerman defended himself in the end and now hes in court -- so we'll see what happens

 

[the_stig]

I was watching the trial yesterday. Zimmerman was doing MMA training at the gym 6 hours a week. So we are supposed to believe Zimmerman was getting beat MMA style and not the kid?

Travon threw the first punch.
I don't think that has ever been in dispute.
It doesn't sound like Zimmerman threw any punches. He had a gun, why would he throw a punch?