Russian vs. American men - what are my advantages and disadvantages?

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"" What are the differences between Russian and American Men?

Eto ochen’interesniy vopros! I have been thinking about this question a lot recently as I am finding Russian men quite intriguing as I get to know them. Although I have not met too many Russians in my life, only a handful really, I do notice some very interesting characteristics that are quite different from their American counterparts.
To make a fair comparison, I am really thinking of the same social/success level of both groups: middle class, educated, professional.
The first thing that comes to mind is that I think Russian Men are more masculine and sexy (perhaps circumcision DOES make a difference;)))!) Is their strong masculinity because of them being raised in a more traditional family environment or from Russian society as a whole?
Their body language shows a lot of attitude, which is very cool and illustrates a strong sense of who they are. I find this sexy and enjoyable to watch. It also makes me feel more feminine and sexy when I am with them. American men seem a bit “watered down” in this respect. Their masculinity seems diluted into a sort of superficial Hollywood image of how they think they are supposed to be, instead of truly feeling this way. And then there are the guys who just don’t really care- “what...ever”. But most American women seem to like it this way. A big reason for it is the way men and women are portrayed in the media I think. Messeges of what we are supposed to like.
I have this personal theory that here in America, with so many ethnic groups here, inter-marriages, mixed neighborhoods, etc. people become sort of weakened in their own culture unavoidably as they become more American. It is a “Melting Pot” of different cultures and this has its positive and negative effects. American men (and woman) are becoming almost asexual or really more like each other in many ways. Their sexual identity is becoming watered down just like their culture. Just look in any J. Crew, GAP, Banana Republic or Abercrombie & Fitch store or catalogue and you’ll get a sense of genderless attitude. The sporty look rulz baby!
This is not so with Russians. What I enjoy about Russians as a whole is how clearly defined they are. I think the women, as well as the men encourage this strong definition in each other. They feed off of each other’s sexually it seems. I LOVE the Russian women as well! They are very cool.
NOTE: I am talking about the ones who were NOT raised here in this country and who have become more or less, “Americanized”.
Russian men dress like men! I love the way they dress. You never see them wearing shorts and rarely jeans. They seem to take pride in their appearance but I am told that this is a recent development in Russian society. A girlfriend from St. Petersburg told me that there is a saying, “A man who looks better then the devil is a handsome one”.
American men seem to take better care of their teeth and hair. If I had to make one suggestion to Russian guys it would be for ALL of them to get their teeth whitened professionally and have them cleaned every 6 months. I don’t know if it is because of all their smoking or too many antibiotics taken as a child but they will get more girls chasing after them and have more success in job interviews, careers, etc. if they consider this suggestion.

Is it a throwback from communist times that a Russian guy’s uniform seems to be black pants and a black leather jacket?
I mean, I think I would just fall off my bar stool if a Russian walked into a bar wearing, God forbid, a BROWN suede coat! Is the black leather really a fetish for dog’s noses?
Seriously, I do like all the black and think it adds to the mystique of Russian Males.

As for manners, Russian men are far more gallant. They hold car doors open for ladies because they want to, not because they have to. Or at least, they do a pretty good job making me believe this:)) I have NEVER been treated so well as by a Russian man. They have much better manners then their American counterpart and the Russian women that I have talked to about this all agree!
I mean, sure, when I go to a store like WAWA for example to get a cup of coffee, guys will hold the door open always but that’s not really going out of their way. I do it even for other women because I think it is polite but American guys are so into themselves that they don’t put women first. I think Russian guys DO put women first when they are with them. That in turn makes women feel more appreciated and feminine and hopefully will give their man the devotion they deserve.
As far as personality? Russians are definitely ****ier. But their ****iness is amusing which brings me to their sense of humor. I have NEVER met funnier guys! Da, ochen cynical and sarcastic with a lot of irony but soooooooo funny and clever! SO intelligent!
Devotion to family seems to be such a wonderful characteristic as well. I think that it is valid to say that some American families are not as strong as they once were and it seems that the Russian culture offers values (at least on the surface) that focus on placing importance on family.
Some of the Russians I know are the sweetest guys I have ever met with the nicest manners. I only hope that as they spend more time in this country that they don’t lose sight of these wonderful characteristics that they possess that make them so special. Several people have told me that Russian women are more likely to become “more American” then Russian men. I hope this is true. I mean, I adore Russian women as well but I just hope that they BOTH, don’t become too “Americanized”."


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This defines me 100% except that I do not smoke and have great teeth.
I am what you would defined traditionally a Russian guy in my behavior.

You tell me what my advantages are and disadvantages are with American women.

One thing - I do not watch MTV and I am NOT into pop culture. I'm into sh*t that I like and I could care less what others have to say about it.

I've been rejected once in my life by a girl, with a hint that maybe later something may happen (she had a BF).

I have never been a girl's best friend.

My BIG problem - girls flake AFTER 1st or 2nd date. Often, with a complaint "Yeah...you won't call me again..." or something like that. They get discouraged by my behavior. Not enough affection?

I am always told by girls that I more masculine than American guys. However, I'm not sure if she meant the majority AFCs or what?

Another thing - if its a social event, I do NOT try to stand out. I am just me there, and I never had the ALPHA guy say sh*t to me. Its primarily my body language and I just look at him like "You **** with me, I KICK your ass"

And it seems girls like me for that more than that guy who talks to everyone and stuff..
 

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Interesting, but at the same time - look at what she is doing - she is trying to tell us how we should dress. Fukk you I love shorts, and I love jeans and will keep wearing them.

I have become Americanized over the past 6-7 years but when I am with Russians I can clearly see the difference in interaction. Non-Americans are naturally more alpha male and do not hesitate to tease girls and throw em over the shoulder.

However, I do not like the whole black jacket - russian flag on the wall thing either. If you are in US, you must somewhat get with the program, otherwise you will turn into one of those bitter Russians who are in US and hate it here.


What I am kind of getting at - and Babnik lemme know if you agree - it is good to be proud of where you are from, and display certain confidence stemming from being different, but at the same time being nice and fun. I am imaginging this dude who is ****y, funny, but different in a good (cool) way, not in a "wow he is wierd!" way. I wish I could have figured this in HS, it would have saved a lot of headache.

Honestly, how often do you drop the "I am russian" bomb in typical convo? I used to not say I was russian because I thought that would alienate me, now I don't even have an accent unless drunk, then the flood gates open. Or I hint that I come from a city with 6 million people which works wonders on girls from small farms.

Who else is russian here, lets hear your input?

And by the way, I think American girls look way hotter than Russian girls. Not counting personality, I'll take an American girl over russian one at the moment.

Hey davai posilai mne svoi foto ili che nibud, u tebya AIM ili MSN est'?
 

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Oxide said:
Interesting, but at the same time - look at what she is doing - she is trying to tell us how we should dress. Fukk you I love shorts, and I love jeans and will keep wearing them.

I have become Americanized over the past 6-7 years but when I am with Russians I can clearly see the difference in interaction. Non-Americans are naturally more alpha male and do not hesitate to tease girls and throw em over the shoulder.

However, I do not like the whole black jacket - russian flag on the wall thing either. If you are in US, you must somewhat get with the program, otherwise you will turn into one of those bitter Russians who are in US and hate it here.


What I am kind of getting at - and Babnik lemme know if you agree - it is good to be proud of where you are from, and display certain confidence stemming from being different, but at the same time being nice and fun. I am imaginging this dude who is ****y, funny, but different in a good (cool) way, not in a "wow he is wierd!" way. I wish I could have figured this in HS, it would have saved a lot of headache.

Honestly, how often do you drop the "I am russian" bomb in typical convo? I used to not say I was russian because I thought that would alienate me, now I don't even have an accent unless drunk, then the flood gates open. Or I hint that I come from a city with 6 million people which works wonders on girls from small farms.

Who else is russian here, lets hear your input?

And by the way, I think American girls look way hotter than Russian girls. Not counting personality, I'll take an American girl over russian one at the moment.

Hey davai posilai mne svoi foto ili che nibud, u tebya AIM ili MSN est'?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmyLupAKU5g

I'm really Ukrainian, but its the same thing. We have way...WAY prettier girls there. I swear to God in Odessa...yummy.

This is why I feel more confident than the rest of the group...

Check your PM for my AIM.


P.S. I wear a black jacket and I LOVE IT...

Did you notice that even though you live here for so long, some things just ATTRACT you naturally. Take black jacket...I never knew Russians wear that a lot and like it. I just came to it myself...naturally.
 

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I have a black leather jacket for the winter. But it isnt the typical "I am in the mafia" jacket which I think just looks silly. I also have a brown one that gets even more attention.

Vodka doesn't attract me anymore, but at one point I could take pulls out of the bottle without chasers.

ANd dude, I spent every summer for 12 years in Feodosia and Sochi, I know all about Ukranian girls. Granted I left when I was 15, and I remember some hot Russian girls, but dude, take hot girls here and hot girls there, do you not think the US girls have this fresher "I am not worn out by hard knock life" look? I swear it is something in the water, look at the russian people - dark circles under the eyes. I had those when i came over, now I don't.
 

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Let me tell you something.

This girl has fallen heads over heels over some Russian guy and that is the reason she talks like that. I am willing to bet that she had bad dating experiences with a few American men and decided to go with the mentra "American Men Suck". She is in love with this Russian guy and therefore she applies all his positive characteristics to all Russian Men as oppose to dating each one of them and seeing them individually. Let her be plowed by a couple of Russian Men and then be dumped so she can go to Italy and say Italian guys are way better then Russian guys, and then go to Holland and say the Dutch are way better and so on and so on........

Women think with their emotions remember that.
 

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Oxide said:
I have a black leather jacket for the winter. But it isnt the typical "I am in the mafia" jacket which I think just looks silly. I also have a brown one that gets even more attention.

Vodka doesn't attract me anymore, but at one point I could take pulls out of the bottle without chasers.

ANd dude, I spent every summer for 12 years in Feodosia and Sochi, I know all about Ukranian girls. Granted I left when I was 15, and I remember some hot Russian girls, but dude, take hot girls here and hot girls there, do you not think the US girls have this fresher "I am not worn out by hard knock life" look? I swear it is something in the water, look at the russian people - dark circles under the eyes. I had those when i came over, now I don't.
Eh...I never been to Sochi. I have been to Odessa and Kiev. I think we have more 10s and I also can't stand how American girls dress in rural areas. In big cities girls in US are awesome, but like here in SC they dress so alike, wear same makeup, and etc.

BTW, whats yours AIM (mine won't let you add me unless I have yours).

Also, American girls use SO much more make up.
 

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Get on your Aim I'll message you sometime later.

I havent been to Russia in 7 years dude, if you got some pics of girls to back up your reasons, then sure. And you don't think Russian girls are becoming americanized? you watch comedy club, those chicks try to look like americans more and more.

oh yeah, someone once told me Russian girls are the most whorish. Im still debating whether this is true
 

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Oxide said:
Get on your Aim I'll message you sometime later.

I havent been to Russia in 7 years dude, if you got some pics of girls to back up your reasons, then sure. And you don't think Russian girls are becoming americanized? you watch comedy club, those chicks try to look like americans more and more.

oh yeah, someone once told me Russian girls are the most whorish. Im still debating whether this is true
I was told the same, but I think its only like that in big cities. Rural area girls aren't like that.

I know our divorce rate is highest in the world - 68%...

And besides you can always see a bliad', they are easy to spot in Russia, and here they are all alike and you can never tell.
 

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To the original post, the chicks think you gonna play em cause you are russian? Thats pretty stupid imo.

I have the problem with being too aloof and not calling em enough - they end up going and fukking someone else because i am not their puppy... i guess that helps figuring out who the hors are.

oh hey, i am SOOOO FUNNNY.. and SOOOO cynical... AND SOOOO gonna hit you in the mouth for being a dumb hor. HAHA HAHAHA HA
 

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Oxide said:
To the original post, the chicks think you gonna play em cause you are russian? Thats pretty stupid imo.

I have the problem with being too aloof and not calling em enough - they end up going and fukking someone else because i am not their puppy... i guess that helps figuring out who the hors are.

oh hey, i am SOOOO FUNNNY.. and SOOOO cynical... AND SOOOO gonna hit you in the mouth for being a dumb hor. HAHA HAHAHA HA

Humor = problem. I don't get a LOT of their humor...especially the whole "Why did bla bla do bla?" "Because bla!"

I seriously can't joke in English...
 

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Don't worry a lot of humor here sucks complete monkey balls.

There is VERY good comedy if you can find it, but you must develop that sense of humor. Darker humor works for me wonderfully, but a lot of people will be turned away by it.

Why did chicken cross the road and stupid plays on words make me want to paint my house with the blood of the unborn babies.

I can point you to a couple of good sites via pm where you can get a better sense of humor.

We can just take this to the AIM actually, unless someone else is stepping in with insights.
 
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Ox dude, Babrik is a girl not a dude! :rolleyes:
 

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haha, u thought that dudette was a dude bro!
 

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There are 'losers' in every race, this place is an excellent example...

We've got American losers, Russian losers, Hispanic losers, Black losers, Azn losers...

Let me tell you something.

This girl has fallen heads over heels over some Russian guy and that is the reason she talks like that. I am willing to bet that she had bad dating experiences with a few American men and decided to go with the mentra "American Men Suck". She is in love with this Russian guy and therefore she applies all his positive characteristics to all Russian Men as oppose to dating each one of them and seeing them individually. Let her be plowed by a couple of Russian Men and then be dumped so she can go to Italy and say Italian guys are way better then Russian guys, and then go to Holland and say the Dutch are way better and so on and so on........

Women think with their emotions remember that.
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I've been rejected once in my life by a girl, with a hint that maybe later something may happen (she had a BF).

I have never been a girl's best friend.

My BIG problem - girls flake AFTER 1st or 2nd date. Often, with a complaint "Yeah...you won't call me again..." or something like that. They get discouraged by my behavior. Not enough affection?

I am always told by girls that I more masculine than American guys. However, I'm not sure if she meant the majority AFCs or what?
Babnick is a girl ?? Sounds like a guy to me or a lesbo



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I KNOW this guy is a dude. Babnik = "player" in Russian.

And actually, I know 3 guys on this board are Russian. And all of us have good success with women. So speak for yourselves ;)

In my experience - Russian guys can definitely be AFC, but our nature and culture produces higher % of alpha males per capita. Now that I am in US, I can definitely appreciate the damage feminism had done to this country.
 

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but our nature and culture produces higher % of alpha males per capita.
Remember, I mean this in the nicest possible way but... u sound like a fool


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wat about guys whos dad is immigrant from Israel/Poland and mom is from Puerto Rico. we got a few on this board besides me bro.
 

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Don't doubt my scientific studies motha****a, I make them up as I please ;)

Actually I thought about this just now - in Russian culture men are actually MORE inclined to buy woman sh1t and treat her nice yet - and here is a BIG difference - the women are trained to be females - meaning be loyal, cook, clean and look good for her man. It works out.

Here - it seems like women wanting to be independent makes them less female yet the guys become ... I don't know, someone finish the phrase for me.
 

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