RSD Video

[zekko]

I mean women like sexually experienced men, if you act like one then you will come across as more attractive than if you act like a nice guy or nerd. Not rocket science, in fact a girl I was with last night TOLD me this.

Which brings up the natural question why is that? One reason I don't see brought up often is that women's "parts" are a little more complicated than a male's. A woman is much more likely to have an enjoyable sexual experience from an experienced man than from a newbie fumbling around, not knowing what he is doing.

Usually the answer you see is that "It's harder for men to get sex, while women don't have to work for it, so experience is an indicator of value". Which is also true.

But why would you need the "retarded" part of "retarded fvck boy"? Seems like if you mate with a dunderhead, your kids aren't going to be very smart either. Sounds like a bad mating strategy.

I don't really know where you guys are getting this idea that he is a beta cuck.

To be fair, I think only one person said that. And if you stick around here long enough, pretty much everybody gets called a beta, except maybe James Bond and Clint Eastwood.

 

[zekko]

It's not like the average woman is much smarter

All the more reason to get some brains into the genetic profile you're giving your kids, IMO.
Regarding "thrill of the chase", that's true, but I'd say it ties directly to being high value.

 

[JonnyX]

Biggest problems with PUA:

- PUAs like Owen are borderline aspies, and half of their "system" is them trying to figure out how normal people interact
- If you already have low enough inhibition to cold approach and are generally already good at directing interesting conversations and showing interest to girls in the right way, there is minimal more you can learn.
- At least speaking from experience, as a short/ugly/indian guy, there is no such thing as "getting better" at PUA past a very basic point, since if you're unattractive, your biggest problem will be >97% of girls will eliminate you from consideration even before you open your mouth.

PUA makes the most sense for average and above average white guys. Otherwise you're best off trying to improve your SMV sufficiently to catch up (surgery, muscles, whatever) or MGTOW, hookers, etc.

 

[JonnyX]

I agree. But i also think "don't be a slob" should go without saying.

That's actually a significant theme. People telling others to "not be a slob". But anyone you have to tell that lacks motivation, common sense, self-pride, even probably basic hygiene. Just basic tools to succeed at stuff are missing.

There's just no excuse to be below average, outside of being dealt some sort of terrible and irreversible hand.

What?

Being below average for a man according to women:

- being born Indian or chinese
- being born short
- having a small frame or non masculine build
- having a poor facial structure (bad jaws, asymmetric, etc).

50% of us are below average by definition. And its rarely easy to fix. How do you grow taller? Or get a new facial structure? Or change your race? Or get bigger bones or better muscle building genetics?

The only things you can control is your basic lifestyle (exercise and eat healthy), haircut, and clothes. The rest of your appearance is mostly out of your control.

So how do you figure "there's no excuse" for being below average?

 

[IKO69]

Most of these guys are selling you snake oil...especially if they are pretty established. All the interactions are paid for and rehearsed.....you guys really need to be careful who you watch and stop putting these jokers on the pedestal. There is more than enough here in the classic section - a lot of this is straight forward and common sense. Trust your gut. If you have typically been terrible with women and don't know what to do in the situation - do the opposite of what first comes to mind lol.

 

[Serenity]

You're right, a lot of the clips seem to be on the sidewalk in front of the club. And I've also seen a lot of videos that are being filmed right outside of the club bathroom. I guess it's a strategic spot to stand where you get a stream of girls going by. Seems a little creepy though.

There's a lot I could comment about in this thread, but I'll pick this one. You're correct that it's a strategic spot, but your reasoning is incomplete. Clubs are loud and it's hard to talk in that environment, so going to the bathroom area or outside makes it a lot easier to do game. I'd have to agree it's creepy to hang out around the bathrooms, he probably pulls them to that area to get away from the blasting music though. As for hanging out outside it's fine by me, he's there with the purpose of gaming chicks, not to awkwardly hang around inside the club (which most guys do at a club).

I see he's getting some hate here, but his material was of great use to me when I was getting started. The game he shows in his videos obviously won't work for all women, but it was never the techniques I paid attention to. It was his way of solving problems, the frame, the inner game stuff that's good.

Yeah, he's running a business but he's the least cynical PUA I've seen. He shares enough free material that I don't think you'll learn anything from his courses that you couldn't by researching his free material. It's a vast amount of detailed videos with lots of infield footage. I've seen a lot of their material (mainly Owen and Julien), learned a whole lot and didn't pay for any of it. I don't watch their videos anymore, but that's mainly because they don't teach anything different and I know their teachings.

Sure, he's picking up half drunk women who you'd most likely wouldn't want a relationship with, but relationship isn't what he's teaching. He's teaching the starter material for the awkward and socially insecure guy to get going. So they can get some experience (good and bad) under their belt before they throw themselves into a relationship.

Most other PUA's I've seen are kinda meh. Owen is alright.

 

[JonnyX]

One other observation from the infield footage: I remember hearing a lot of advice about how PUAs should lean away from girls to show disinterest. But Tyler here does the exact opposite, and immediately puts himself right into her personal space. Contradicting ideas and all that

This is one of the most BS and impossible to implement pieces of advice in the PUA industry.

Why?

- Clubs are loud as ****. It's almost impossible to hear anyone even if you're mouth-to-ear. So good luck communicating to a girl if you aren't willing to lean in or get close.

- If a girl can't hear you, she's not going to lean into you to be sure she can unless she's already immediately attracted to you. And if you're that good looking, why on earth would you need to study PUA tactics?

So what happens if you try shouting something at a girl without leaning in? She looks at you blankly like she doesn't understand, and then turns away disinterested. Leaning in may be "beta" but at least you have a chance to communicate.

A lot of "PUA tactics" are just subpar men looking at highly attractive men, seeing what they can get away with, and then assuming if you copy their behavior it will give you their success. But it doesn't work that way. A good looking man can get away with not leaning in, with not showing too much interest, with being stoic, by giving her **** constantly, etc.

But those aren't the reasons he's successful. He's successful because he's attractive. He just behaves that way because it's easier and he can get away with it. The behavior is secondary.

 

[zekko]

A lot of "PUA tactics" are just subpar men looking at highly attractive men, seeing what they can get away with, and then assuming if you copy their behavior it will give you their success.

You're right, that's exactly what it is. I agree that copying their "abundance behavior" is not the same as having the underlying attractiveness (whatever that is based on). But it's always good to maintain your self respect and not pedestal or supplicate. Some of it's bad, some of it isn't. I always laugh when I read a field report where the girl says something like "You're not good looking enough to be this c0cky". Lol.

And I agree, always leaning away is just asinine. It's good to take a relaxed stance where you can. But some PUA gurus even tell you to face completely away from your target, and talk to her over your shoulder. I can see how this is sort of indirect method, but if you take this kind of thing too seriously, it gets ridiculous fast.

 

[longtail]

I saw this video recently and thought it was amusing. I wouldn't watch the whole thing, just the field footage at the beginning. The rest is basically just Tyler trying to sell you on his program. I like the part from 0:55 to 1:04 where this guy is yelling at him for showing Little Owen to his sister. Tyler keeps saying "I said I'm sorry" lol.

Apparently the theme they are teaching right now is that you should act like a guy who has been getting laid since a very young age. That's like social proof, so okay, but he insists that there has to be a douchebag dunderhead aspect to it. He calls this persona the "retarded fvck boy", and says that if he doesn't act like this he gets blown out.

It kind of struck me as kind of sad that someone has to act like a "retarded fvck boy" in order to get laid. Maybe that sort of personality is close to his heart somehow, that he feels congruent with it. For me, I don't think it would be worth it. If I had to act like a "retarded fvck boy" in order to get laid, I think I would just do without. But the fact is I've never had to act like this to get girls, so why should I? Maybe I'm not a super pimp picking up drunken staggering club girls in leopard coats like Tyler, but I get by, and I don't feel like I've compromised my self respect.

My guess is he believes that all girls are like this, but I don't agree. At this point all PUAs will yell "NAWALT"! But I'm serious. I know the type of girls who talk to strangers on the street about getting laid within 20 seconds of meeting them - maybe they are looking for guys like Tyler to copulate with. And good for them. Maybe eight out of ten girls are like this (I don't think it's that high, but whatever). It doesn't matter, because the girls who respond to that nonsense are not the girls I'm looking for.

One other observation from the infield footage: I remember hearing a lot of advice about how PUAs should lean away from girls to show disinterest. But Tyler here does the exact opposite, and immediately puts himself right into her personal space. Contradicting ideas and all that.

None of this takes into consideration the theory that these are all faked videos and hired actresses, which is a rumor I've heard about RSD.

Just a tiny bit of common sense leads to the following conclusions: these girls are two bit wanna be actresses desperate for any kind of a paycheck, or, the footage is genuine and very heavily edited to filter out 99% of the approaches that went absolutely nowhere.

Owen is known for his mexican chick fetish; which is convenient since he is LA based. If the footage is genuine (very big if), he's likely fvcking with 6 to 7 caliber mexican girls dressed like prostitutes. Owen is not good looking. He's chubby, older, balding, basically an average looking guy who approaches 100 or 1,000 or 10,000 times as often as the average guy. He can't attract conventionally hot women so he largely targets minority girls who may fvck with a random ginger.

There is nothing to learn here except that SPAM approaching can yield limited results with an immense investment of time, energy, and resources. Owen has devoted his life to the cold approach, and from what I can tell, his results are mediocre.

What's really funny is the claims that this guy is a genius? How anyone could arrive at this conclusion after watching portions of a video where he shows his pubes to a stocky mexican girl in the bathroom, or yells incoherently at a random stranger at 2 in the morning is beyond me.

TL, DR: spam approaching may or may not yield pregnant mexican baby momma.

 

[zekko]

As for retarded fukk boy, well, again, to each his own.

Thing is, Tyler said that he didn't want to act like that. He just found that he had to act like that to get results. That's the problem I had with it. I would rather maintain my self respect and act how I wanted to, even if my results suffered. YMMV.

I agree about the videos, especially the infield footage. My BS meter goes off sometimes. I've heard rumors that RSD hires models to respond to their students at the club. I don't think that's all bad necessarily, it would give some awkward dude practice talking to a woman. But when they get home and talk to "real" women, they probably wonder why they aren't getting the same results they get in camp.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

I came to the conclusion that most of this stuff is about trying to pick up the wrong kind of woman. I'm a lot happier now that I'm not chasing them. I'll only respond to a lady when she gives me the obvious green light. Happened the other day. Was minding my business at the coffee shop on my laptop, and when I happened to look up [not scanning!] was given that doe-like look from a very attractive lady. Smiled, went back to my business. On the way out, stopped to ask her what she was reading, had a good but brief conversation, gave her my business card, she contacted me. All unforced and how it is meant to be imo.