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kickureface

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i often catch myself resting for lonnnng times now. im just wondering what times are normal/recommended

i do the 3 day split- legs chest back with compounds. during those big heavy lifts, i often end up resting around 5 minutes after a set. i do high weight, 3-8 reps depending on what i can do.
 

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I used to think the less time between sets the better when I first started.....That only works on burning out for me. i found that taking one to two minutes between sets really helps me out. I would think that five minutes would be too long between sets because your muscles would start locking up.

My advice would be to find someone in your gym who has the physique or strength you want and introduce yourself and ask questions if they seem friendly.*

*Some people go into rages when they lift,they tend to be the ones wearing the tank tops,grunting and carrying there chest out soo far it looks like a set of 36 dds.....DON'T ASK THEM QUESTIONS!
 

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Well, am on the Rippetoe program and EFFORT suggested that I rest between 2-3 minutes.

From most of the stuff I read here, bodybuilding and ironaddicts they all say:

1-3 minutes: More defined muscles
3-5 minutes: More Strength training.

But since my program has squats in every workout I rest the 2-3 minutes period and I feel pretty regenerated after that amount of time!.

If I were you try to rest one day for 2 minutes, another for 3 and so on. See what times works best for you.

o and my program is also High Weight low reps
 

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Depends. If you want to just be muscular, 1-2 does the trick. If it is strength you are after, 3-8.
Good luck.
 

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why does 1-2 mins do well for trying to be muscular (i assume bulking?) cuz i cant lift as heavy or as many times if i go 1-2 minutes for sure....wouldnt that be rather counterproductive?
 

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kickureface said:
why does 1-2 mins do well for trying to be muscular (i assume bulking?) cuz i cant lift as heavy or as many times if i go 1-2 minutes for sure....wouldnt that be rather counterproductive?
You do not only need tension but also a pump to gain muscle. 1-2 minutes does the trick.
 

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pump is irrelevant to permanent gains in either size or strength.
 

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shaunuk said:
Nahh, you don't *need* pump to gain muscle...

-shaun
Throttle said:
pump is irrelevant to permanent gains in either size or strength.
Wrong. No offense. You need to break down muscle fibers and also accelerate the entrance of amino acids as to get in an anabolic state and have them reconstructed. Tension does the first, and pump the second.
 

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nonsense. stop peddling it. or, if you prefer, link to a shred of reliable evidence that it's true. (you cannot, because it is not, as plausible as the mechanism may sound)
 

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nonsense. stop peddling it. or, if you prefer, link to a shred of reliable evidence that it's true. (you cannot, because it is not, as plausible as the mechanism may sound)
Do you even know what sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is?
(No going to google)
 

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Do you even know what sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is?
You possibly weren't directing at me, but yes...growth of the non-contractile part of the muscle cell, i.e. the sarcoplasm, i.e. the part which holds the fluids, enzymes, etc.

Yeah, we all want some sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, but it's less permanent than myofibrilar hypertrophy, addition to the contractile proteins in the muscle.

-shaun
 

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Would keeping your HR up after lifting be beneficial, instead of a "pump"? such as thru postlifting cardio.

I'd imagine that getting/keeping the blood flowing quickly for a time after the lift might have some benefits. Anybody have knowledge on this?
 

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Post-workout cardio is fine but I'd rather just eat something after a workout unless fat loss was a priority

Your HR SHOULD be raised through lifting.
 

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Throttle said:
a pump indicates only that blood is stuck in the pumped muscle, not that additional amino acids are being driven into the muscle.
Let's think for a minute. If blood transports amino acids, then more blood in some place means more amino acids there. SO if a pump is more blood, what does that give you?


Muscular Tension

A muscle grows when it is exposed to a tension that is above and beyond what it is capable of handling.

Tension is more than simply weight on the bar. It's also how that weight is applied, via biomechanics, and how that tension is generated.

This means, in laymans terms, that you won't be doing barbell curls for your legs and you won't be doing squats to help your pullups. Muscle specificity, in other words. This isn't a principle most people have trouble grasping, but it's here just in case.

How tension is generated is another more critical issue. There's three fundamental ways to increase tension in a muscle: maximal effort, repeated effort, and dynamic effort. For the purposes of growing a muscle, the repeated effort should be emphasized, although the other two certainly have a place. Note that this doesn't preclude other types of muscle action, such as isometrics and eccentrics.

The repeated effort method involves taking a weight to a maximum number of reps in the 5-10 rep range. Note that this does not necessarily mean grinding out reps to failure; leaving a rep or two in the tank is almost always advisable, but the growth stimulus in the repeated effort method comes from near the end of the set, when it becomes difficult.

There's a range of reps that are found to be optimal for hypertrophy. Classically, 1-5 reps are for strength, 4-6 reps are "intensive" hypertrophy, 5-10 reps are the hypertrophy "sweet spot, 12-15 are "extensive" hypertrophy, and 15+ reps are strength endurance.

As you can see, there's an overlap between a lot of the rep ranges, and this is where you'll find the use of other methods. For example, the maximal effort method can be used for intensive hypertrophy, where the two ranges overlap.

The gist of it is this: pick a handful of big exercises, so you're targeting a good portion of muscle, and work on them with sets in the 5-10 range. Push hard, but not necessarily to absolute need-a-spotter failure.

This is because the muscle sends a variety of biochemical signals to that kind of work, namely mechanical disruption of the fiber, that cause a drastic increase in protein synthesis. Since the contractile proteins of the muscle are what 1) comprise most of the muscle's volume and 2) make you stronger, this is desirable for pretty much everyone.

Metabolic Work

Contrary to what the muscle comics say, the pump isn't an indicator of growth or growth potential. The pump is an indicator that the muscle has been metabolically taxed, and thusly blood is flowing into it.

This can aid in growth assuming the conditions above are met, but does not signal growth in and of itself, certainly not to the same degree.

The pump is basically a depletion of the muscle fiber's energy stores, which causes a corresponding increase in the volume of those stores.

So, assuming you've hit the muscle hard with one or two big compound movements, you can then "finish" the muscle with a couple of sets of a "pumping" exercise. This will bring in blood and help with the metabolic adaptations, which do contribute to growth.



Of course heavy weights are more important. Heavy weights plus short rest is only a way of doing both tension and metabolic work. If you want to do a 5RM or such, followed by a set of 20, be my guest.
Increase the eating, increase the weights and you shall become bigger. Its really that simple.
 

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I do believe that a pump can transport more nutrients to the muscle through better blood flow yes, and I manipulate the pump with a NO/cell volumising stack (CEE/taurine/arginine/gonna experiment with glycerol next)

BUT

You can achieve a pump with 2-3 sets and get the benefits of enhanced nutrient flow without the recovery hit of 20 'pump' sets
 

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Redux said:
Increase the eating, increase the weights and you shall become bigger. Its really that simple.
This is the key, not how many minutes you rest in between sets. 1 minute or 5, it just doesn't matter. Experiment with what works for you, but don't focus on the muscle pump, it is not a reliable indicator of anything.
 
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