Rejection

[Fruitbat]

ok - many thanks to this website. For many years I could not get dates easily. Now I can get women out on dates a lot more skilfully and I have SS to thank a lot for that.

What I am finding now is I am having short relationships ended by the woman.

I have tried a variety of things - I have attempted aloof, and I even tried being a bit beta with one girl who isn't that hot or spoiled.

Nothing seems to work! Now, there are different ways this is happening. Mainly, they just stop returning texts and calls for no reason and don't explain. The latest one told me we are too different. (We are very different) she's right, I had it in my mind it might not last but it STILL put me on my ass to hear the truth.

My record dating this year is roughly;

Dates - 6
Went to second date - 3
Went to casual relationship - 3
Went further - 0

I've always found women tend to finish first but running around my head is "this keeps happening"

In my life, I have had a few one night stands I didn't call back, but every single relationship was ended by a woman, usually within 3 months. The one that didn't was my ex wife, the only relationship that I ended myself.

So, gentlemen, is this fairly common for average joes. In sure there are some 10 men who don't get this, but should I brush this off as the natural state - women tend to finish first? Or should at least a few be the other way?

I'm observing that this dynamic is making me more needy as I just want one to work, need to work on that but I genuinely don't think I'm being needy as I try very hard not to display it.

I usually just delete numbers but this last one (who to be fair to her was honest about it) I really let her have it, as I am pissd off that she KNEW these concerns early on (she told me) but continued to date and fvck me and then dumped me - she said she was hot for me but just we weren't suited, which is kind of right.

I only got nasty because she is at the end of a line of women who have finished with me and finally lost my temper. Plus, because I didn't feel for her that strongly I wasn't bothered about burning bridges.

So anyway, is the female finishing the norm - internet says so but I'm concerned I have had like 15-20 relationships in my life and only one I finished.

 

[Desdinova]

The women I date generally stick around for a minimum of 1 1/2 months unless I end it. What's happening is you're elevating their interest level in the beginning very well, but you're having problems maintaining it. You haven't really given enough information for us to pinpoint exactly what's going wrong. Are you complimenting them? Are you incorrectly using "negs"? Having her waver too far into one emotion (at least in the beginning) is only going to work against you. In other words, don't overly flatter her, and don't overly upset her. Confidence and humour win big points in the beginning, but you can't be using them to inflict large amounts of emotional fluctuation. If she feels overly-complimented, then you're "only wanting one thing". If she feels overly insulted, then you're just an a55hole. These will be her first major impressions about you, so you must tread carefully in the beginning. Once she decides you're interesting, exciting and fun, then you can turn up the volume a bit which will keep them attracted.

 

[ubercat]

I think it is the norm at least for casual dating. 10 years ago but I remember having an awful lot of 6 week relationships. Of course game was more effective then so I d sometimes just put on a persona play the dates that way gets the chick in the sack and enjoy the profit.

I agree with Des - I'd often have chicks break up with me because I wasn't providing enough emotional variability I had several say why can't you be more dark and brooding.

I've had a couple of chicks blow me off recently. First two dates after 10 years so I expected my game to be rubbish.

What I want to work on is inviting them to things I'm doing anyway and keeping a decent gap between first and second date. As usual it's easy to advise others on game and bloody hard to get it right yourself.

But yeah we need to know what you're doing wrong can you see any patterns?

 

[ubercat]

I'm in Australia and our women are just as bad as in the USA. Self-entitled princesses glued to their phones. If you don't have any strong preferences you could Target latinas and asian chicks. They are generally in to having steady boyfriends.

 

[Fruitbat]

Ok brothers.

In the last 2 years, quite often it's after 1st sex which led me to become quite worried about a certain measurement (which incidentally is bang on the world average)!! Those women were generally quite slvtty and I figure they just wanted 1 night fun.

The others have not really given reasons but just faded out. One kept in touch on phone but dodged meets (I was back up). The recent one was as above.

All of these were via online as I find it really hard to meet women in real life.

Seems like it's the norm so thanks for the answers

 

[Fruitbat]

Not good looking, not ugly, a bit heavy. Not fat. This sounds weird but women who go for this really turn me off, as they are basically men brain wired and like men (we all like good lookers) will be probably cheating once the thrill goes.

I score top 10% on social skills, I'm a salesman, a very good corporate salesman not a shop assistant! I have many interests and have lots to interest women I think.

What I REALLY want to do is move to Eastern Europe and work. My ex wife was Russian, and although she was bonkers in her own way, they tend not to look for the stupid **** western women do. You'll never or rarely hear a e European woman say you're too nice. They might ***** about not earning enough but you know where you are. Western women are fickle and whimsical, like kids who get border with a toy. At least the single 30 somethings are. E European women are generally family minded, non slvtty and proper adults. Of course the are. Exceptions.

A e e woman would be proud of a guy who works hard, pays bills and is devoted. To them, they think they've died and gone to heaven and divorce is a BAD thing, a failure to them rather than a get rich quick scheme, although again there are exceptions.

The ones here in uk are very much in demand but when I've been there on hols the local girls want to speak to you and are a world away from the trash here

 

[Fruitbat]

OP, I too have dated and been married to East European women. And as you know for yourself, they come with their own problems too. I agree with everyone here, that western women are generally spoiled, selfish, self-entitled little brats. They play the field and get fvcked and plowed when they're young, then when they hit the mid 30's they look for well off chumps to take care of them and the kids they had with bad boys or jerk offs. What can I say, women of almost any cultural background suck these days, especially once you transplant them into the West where they become just as spoiled and entitled as their western female counterparts, if not moreso.

But you're not gonna get pvssy anywhere else. You can't change them, but you can focus on yourself and make yourself better and more of a catch.

You don't have to look like Johnny Depp to get laid. But there are things that you can do to make yourself look and feel better. If you have a bit of a paunch, do what you can to get rid of it. You'd be surprised how even small changes and improvements to your physical looks can help you get more and better women.

As for the holiday thing, keep in mind that all women are generally friendlier and slvttier when they go on vacation. You can take the most conservative loyal well raised woman from the American bible belt and send her off to Mallorca and she will be gang banging a bunch of busboys if the circumstances are right. Something about being on holiday and away from everything - and the fears of being branded a slvt by people they know - make them friendlier and easier to talk to. And don't use the snapshot that is a vacation to fog the reality here.. once you get to know a woman very well there is very very little chance that things will work out for the long run.

Just focus on bettering yourself, that's all you can do. Don't waste your time trying to figure out other people, and why they do or act the way they do. And the more of a catch you present yourself as, the better quality women you will meet and the better chances you will have of obtaining a stable, long lasting intimate relationship with one of them.

My Russian never became western. Just went too needy and self centred.
The e Europeans I met weren't on holiday. They were locals in Prague Budapest, Warsaw and Bratislava. NOT hookers. Just locals.

My e Europeans have all been religious, despite being agnostic I half played along for them. This I find so attractive as often they have had marriage and fidelity drilled in to them. I've found the further east you go, the more this is true. Polish women, as their country has advanced a lot, are getting like uk girls now.

It's a question of upbringing. They dream of a well off western man taking them to London, a man with manners and stability. That's difficult for them. They are either going to work in a crap job with an alchie husband or be a hooker, unless they're really smart.
A western woman has this as standard so looks for a variety.

There are many men in poor countries who want a tidy western woman too. They are welcome to them. In fact, why don't we export the entire female populis to e Europe and import their women? They get the bad boys - plenty of tough, cut throat bad boys out there to make their vaginas tingle, and we can get their demure placid women.

 

[Bokanovsky]

There are many men in poor countries who want a tidy western woman too. They are welcome to them. In fact, why don't we export the entire female populis to e Europe and import their women? They get the bad boys - plenty of tough, cut throat bad boys out there to make their vaginas tingle, and we can get their demure placid women.

And what's going to happen after a few years? The bad boys will beat western women into a state "demure placidity", while limp-wristed western guys will spoil and supplicate to eastern women until they become entitled b!tches. We are all a product of our environment.

 

[Fruitbat]

Short of actually beating them up, I have no idea of what being "badder" means.

So, I've only ever bought flowers or a gift for my ex wife. I have never told a woman a compliment in my dating life recently. My dad was emotionally untouchable and I've inherited his lack of emotionality with women.

Being too nice is criticism #1 in pua land when someone has an issue - it's like a stock response.

My job means, to a certain extent, I can't run around bullying and belittling people. I would lose my clients and I have no actual colleagues as I work alone.

I get dropped more often for my casual use of Coke (the drink, of course lol !) and my excessive drinking.

I have a keen interest in history, the arts and music. I often wonder if being a "bad boy" means just being thick and being a playboy reading mechanic? I play a musical instrument. Is that *****? I don't know.

I end up scrapping about once a year when I'm drunk and I can be an aggressive ******* eye in drunk.

The only things I can do to be more "b boy" is:

Rape ppl
Murder ppl
Develop aspd
Start defrauding my customers
Leave my job and get a low status job in a warehouse or garage
Get some tats and take roids (never going to do that)

Please enlighten

I have a theory on this:

If your naturally chiselled jaw, dark eyed and hairy chested OR you've packed on some muscle, you have the LOOK of a b boy. Then, if you do anything remotely alpha women swoon and ascribe you all sorts of qualities you don't have.

This is because socially, There's still a social stigma on women choosing partners on looks alone. Look at the way women all go on Facebook with pics of hunks going round "mmm yummy etc". It's just modern feminism trying to assert that it's fine to be a visual letch. My ex told me this is kind of a groupthink thing, more about women proving to men "it's fine that we can be superficial too!" - they still deep down know that women who act like this and chose partners based on sexuality alone are resented and not respected on the whole.

I am not any of the above - I'm fair, I'm tall but I'm just not mr tattood builder. If I swagger around like a baboon trying to be all alpha, women just think your a pr1q.

It's a bit like:

V hot woman acts all ditsy and girly. We can all agree, this is sexy. At least I think so.

Pretty average thunder thighs girl does this and it's just annoying and feels like an act.

However, some men actually have had enough of high naintainance biatches and might not want miss "look at me" so average girl might win out of she is entertaining, cool, fun,easygoing etc.

That's the theory.

Check dis:

My female friend said on fb recently:

Men love high maintaince women.

All us guys chimed in and corrected her:

Men love hot women, who tend to be high maintaince because they're hot.

You can talk about the emotional roller coaster but I'm pretty sure that women don't like men who are *******s. Women like hot men who tend to be *******s to women because they have many options. The behaviour then becomes self reinforcing.

I know many, many limp wristed, nobody men who get many girls because they're attractive.

I know zero tubby, unattractive men who are actually leaders and alphas scoring many hot chicks. More so probably than a fat loser, but it's better to be a hot loser than an ugly winner. Unless you are Seriously rich or right at the top. But, women who are seriously rich or politicians can get good men too.