Raising a son to be non beta

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Any of you have expertise on what to tell a boy about the red pill and being a better man? He’s only 12 now and not too interested in girls. He’s very shy and introverted like I was. So far it looks like he’s got his height from his mother, so he may be short as well. Even if he’s at a disadvantage with his personality I’d like to give him some knowledge so he’s not such a beta wuss.

You all have helped me so much and I suck at taking everything I’ve learned and presenting it to him. I’ve preached confidence and being the best he can be but kids can have selective hearing. Thanks always to everyone here!
 

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He might not want to hear things but you can teach him manly things without your preaching...

Get him away from video games, electronic stuff and get him out to the field.

Hiking, camping, hunting, fishing, sports.... survival out door activities.

Teach him to work on cars, fix plumbing, electrical.... build stuff with his hands.

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Martial arts programs for kids have come a long way since the old TKD and Karate I grew up with. Unless you see him being a high school wrestler, I would start him in a kids Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu class. He is almost old enough to grapple with adults. I trained in an mma gym where one guy would bring his 11 y/o daughter to our BJJ class. She was the only kid there, but she never got hurt. Skilled people can be trusted like that.

If you do see him being a high school or collegiate wrestler, then he's already behind and needs to get to training right away. Gymnastics is another skill that can augment athletic ability and goes well with wrestling. What does *not* go well with wrestling is BJJ, because BJJ teaches one to fight off one's back, which is a bad instinct for a wrestler, so you are best-served to pick one or the other and stick with it.
 

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Teach him to cook from the BBQ to fancier fare... Get a quality BBQ for grilling and smoking. Teach him to eat clean. Grow your own food.

Teach him about music... Not the Justin Berber rap crap but from the classical to 60's 70's rock.... Go to concerts.

Teach him to play an instrument... Not the trombone but guitar...

Teach him about art.... Expose him to museums.

Teach him to dance.
 

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Basically your trying to make him into a renaissance man.

Confidence/Alpha will develop as he learns and masters different things in life with dad's guidance.
 

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Dont be an *******.

I had a "manly man" father who spent most of his time down the pub, taught me nothing and used to smack my mother about.

Kids learn from what you do not what you say so model the behaviour and attributes you want to pass on
 
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Teach him the difference between what being a good man and being good at being a man means and how to move with fluidity between the two depending on what the situation requires. Teach him his ancestry and what pride and sense of tribe means and his obligation to it. Teach him that it takes money to make money, that everything in life comes at a cost and nothing worthwhile comes easy. Teach him the importance of the willingness to escalate violence to protect what is his. Teach him to keep his word or not give it at all.
 

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Any of you have expertise on what to tell a boy about the red pill and being a better man? He’s only 12 now and not too interested in girls. He’s very shy and introverted like I was. So far it looks like he’s got his height from his mother, so he may be short as well. Even if he’s at a disadvantage with his personality I’d like to give him some knowledge so he’s not such a beta wuss.

You all have helped me so much and I suck at taking everything I’ve learned and presenting it to him. I’ve preached confidence and being the best he can be but kids can have selective hearing. Thanks always to everyone here!
tell him to train boxing so he can overcome his feminity

no joke here. I know a lot of introverted guys that performed bad in school because they werent strong enough to protect themselves

otherwise they probably would end with A grades
 

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OK, so I think a lot of this advice is well-intentioned--and by all means encourage your son to get involved in sports & show him how to change a tire and all that. BUT remember, the minute he does any of that for your approval and not from a place of genuine desire, you are training him to be your beta. Football (American) was the single best male influence I had on my life; but I chose it. If you force him into it (and a lot of the guys I played with coming up were forced into the game by their fathers who wanted to live vicariously thru them), then he will come to resent you & probably rebel later on.

The single best thing you can do for him is to model the sorts of behaviors you hope he'll embody. He's at a skeptical age where he'll weigh any piece of advice you give him against his perception of you. Are you happy? Are you assertive? Are you cool, successful? Does he see you talking to hot girls? Are you someone he would want to be?

My father wasn't. I love my dad--and we had some awesome experiences & he taught me a lot--but for me, becoming a man was always something I had to do in the inverse & I had to fight him tooth and nail to create some psychic distance (NPD, probably bipolar). It was only after a very painful & drawn out period of un-enmeshment that I was really able to appreciate was was & is admirable in him.

Here are a couple beliefs I wish my parents had instilled in me:
  • Sex is normal. People fvck. No big deal. Your desires & curiosity are normal. Wear a condom & take responsibility for the aftermath (but don't infantilize or victimize the girl).
  • Your reputation matters far less than your perception of who you are. If you ever have to choose between acting from a place genuine desire or appeasing other people, choose the former.
  • Your life is your life. You are 100% responsible for the choices you make--I can give you guidance but what you choose to do with your time & energy is up to you.
  • No one really gives a fvck about you. Some people will & obviously your parents will, but society at large doesn't care about your happiness. On your worst day, it will be totally up to you to pick yourself up & rebuild.
  • Mistakes are good. Better to fail than to be paralyzed by inaction or the need for perfection. Learn from them but don't let them define who you are.
  • Be very cautious with your emotions regarding women. You have tons of time to find a girl or girls who will be a good fit for your life. Even if you're totally in love with a girl, it doesn't mean she's a good fit for your life. People change & you'll change; accept that what's good now might not be good later.
 

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I had a "manly man" father who spent most of his time down the pub, taught me nothing and used to smack my mother about.
Me too. That is a good point. OP should keep his quarrels with the kid's mom, whenever they do arise, away from the kid. Children tend to blame themselves when their parents fight; I know I did.
 

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12 is WAY too late an age to start, are you kidding me??? Your only chance now is for him to see it through your unconscious actions about how much better being strong tough etc. is than to be a weak simpering wuss, and you’ll have to wait until he really hits puberty for it to happen before it’ll do anything. You should have engrained in his mind from before he was even to walk about strength and toughness (not lectured him on it, just side comments here and there about certain things). You have to show. Now that he is 12, you’ll have to show it more than ever, but gradually, not right away.

At this point, if he and you both want something and butt heads on it, you’ll have to let him have what he wants on the smaller stuff. For big stuff though, don’t let him push you around, you still need to show that you’re still a man too. Just be a masculine presence in general. When you think of the words ‘strong’, ‘tough’, ‘masculine’, and ‘dominant’, what do you think of? Whatever you envision, try to tell yourself that so that you become it and exhibit it. But still take a keen interest in what he says and does when he is talking about something that he’s passionate about, and try to smile like it’s interesting for you. The reason for this is because it validates him to have the alpha male, and someone who is presumably more dominant than others he comes across, take an interest in what he has to say and he will think of himself as important too. Don’t give him unnneeded or undeserved compliments though unless one day you just really notice a big (positive) change and just randomly say something like “wow you just look really strong right now” or something like that. It doesn’t need to sound as gay as that did right there lol but you know what I mean; they should be rarely given, and probably won’t be given to him at all until he gets to 14 or 15 or so. But yeah, take a keen interest in him while exuding a strong presence because it will make him feel a lot better. You might be thinking how he shouldn’t have to need the validation, and that’s true for others. But you as parents need to understand that they as your kids NEED this validation TEMPORARILY until they get set on their own. You hold the foundation for them to stand on, and you need to lift it higher and higher until they can grab onto the next ledge and heave themselves up by themselves so that they can stand on their own; typically, them heaving themselves up up over the ledge and trying to stand on their own (metaphorically speaking of course) is when they are in the middle of high school and get to college, and are at the point where they are figuring out what they like, ‘who they are’, etc. With kids, you need to understand that before they can stand on their own, they need support. Weakness from craving support and validation from others is where the line is drawn, but seeking it from parents is where their core being is shaped and you need to help culminate that into something strong, tough, masculine, yet still understanding of the laws and rules around them (lest they end up in prison, but usually that only happens when kids need to prematurely be strong in order to survive, and oftentimes they end up just killing themselves, become extreme drug addicts, or start shooting everyone up anyway).

There’s a lot that I could say right now, but it’s too much to type anyway. You might also be thinking “well this seems like alright advice but why should Inlisten to an 18 year old?” And that’s because I myself still remember every time my parents ****ed up when raising me. I still have memories from before I was able to walk, from before I was able to crawl as crazy as that seems (**** happened when I was an infant lol). I still argue with my parents like you’d expect, in fact I’m currently holding a battle of attrition with my father right now haha, but it’s only when they’re not listening to what I have to say or are just being pigheaded and stubborn for sake of ego and pride. Otherwise we’d never fight. That’s another thing, always listen to them and try to understand their logic and reasoning for things no matter what. If there is a fault in their reasoning or logic, tell them after they finish speaking so that they they can correct it. It’ll be a step-by-step process and sometimes you two might disagree on how things work, but still listen and just try to agree to disagree if it gets to that point. The biggest thing that I can say that will affect them when growing up are probably nuances. The nuance to everything you do from your body language to tone of voice is huge, and not just that but also how you are when you’re around him and when he is watching you while you don’t know he is. That stuff is important.
 
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