questions about no fap

[princesimba]

always wanted to try no fap, just have a few questions:

1) After studying many posts in the forums, i learnt that the main argument for no fap is that it increases testosterone levels. In that case, wouldnt having real sex decrease testosterone levels too? It both involves ejaculation

2) For the married man who is getting sex as much as he likes, (assuming he has a good wife lol) wouldn't this argument mean that his testosterone levels is constantly low?

3) wont wet dreams decrease testosterone levels too?

4) how exactly does no fap help, then?

any feedback would be most welcome

 

[skinnyguy]

This was exactly my point earlier. If ejaculation reduces T levels, then Alpha males would have NO testosterone at all cause they are fvcking chicks 4-5 times a day.

 

[ArcBound]

always wanted to try no fap, just have a few questions:

1) After studying many posts in the forums, i learnt that the main argument for no fap is that it increases testosterone levels. In that case, wouldnt having real sex decrease testosterone levels too? It both involves ejaculation

2) For the married man who is getting sex as much as he likes, (assuming he has a good wife lol) wouldn't this argument mean that his testosterone levels is constantly low?

3) wont wet dreams decrease testosterone levels too?

4) how exactly does no fap help, then?

any feedback would be most welcome

1) Wrong. The testosterone level is relatively constant except for maybe one spike. What changes is androgen receptor levels in the brain. They drop. And estrogen receptor levels. They increase.

2) Yes! Countless studies have shown that in long term relationships and fatherhood lead to drops in testosterone for the man. But this is not because of ejaculation, there are other factors.

3) See #1

4) yourbrainonporn.com has some good resources and studies. I recommend you check them out.

 

[Serenity]

Testosterone doesn't mean sh!t. Your mindset however does. Women can be alpha with the right mindset and without testosterone, you can do the same.
There is no other magic cure in no fap other than feeling better about yourself because you achieved something. Thus making you more alpha because you believe in yourself.

Just cut the crap and view yourself as the fvcking boss no matter what you do.

 

[princesimba]

1) Wrong. The testosterone level is relatively constant except for maybe one spike. What changes is androgen receptor levels in the brain. They drop. And estrogen receptor levels. They increase.

2) Yes! Countless studies have shown that in long term relationships and fatherhood lead to drops in testosterone for the man. But this is not because of ejaculation, there are other factors.

3) See #1

4) yourbrainonporn.com has some good resources and studies. I recommend you check them out.

so what exactly is the difference between having real sex and masturbating?

Forgive me thats a lot of scientific terms in your post there :crazy:

with all due respect, im curious about the difference between FAPPING and REAL SEX, as i already know and am fully aware of the dangers of pornography

cheers

 

[Stort_Brød]

pretty much the no fap challenge is all about reprogramming your brain to not rely on the under realistic images of the pornography that most men masturbate to not to say that every bloke is into watching **** ( but I know most of you do... or is that just me haha ) but even just general porn is bad for the male mind when overindulged in.

what is different between having sex and masturbating is not about the physical outcome *haha nice pun* but the mental effects it is having on you. laying with a woman is natural even in excess but a kleenex isn't especially not to a overly fakes woman and situation I mean c'mon I stuck my d!ck in popcorn boxes, pizza boxes and just plain boxes with a bow and that never lead to raunchy sex just a lawsuit and some funny pics on facebook.

as far as the testosterone levels go they supposedly spike at about day 7 of no ejaculation but not significantly and it spikes not stays continuously high. so there is not benefits there.

All in all if you are an excessive masturbator as in more than once a day or even every day give it a try, some blokes swear by it and think that it is the next best thing since sliced bread and some think it is a joke. so only you can know how it will affect yourself.

 

[Jair213]

smashing a chick and masterbation have 2 diferent effects. so they would have diferent impacts on T levels.

no fap has worked for me but also because i do bodybuilding, when you bodybuild your body needs to stay under a high testosterone environment to be able repair muscle/muscle growth. so yeah lifting weights will raise your test levels + no fap = high t levels

and plus nutrition

also supplements that help to have good health and support good T levels are.

Zinc(i take 30 mg daily)
Vitamin D (i take 2000 IU daily)
Magnesium(400 MG daily)
Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Vitamin K

(WARNING)expect peter north type shooting loads on a chick on this regimen whenever you get to smash.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

girlfriend comes for a sexy time. she prepares her hands for handjob.
boyfriend (slapping her hands): stop it you bytch, i need teh testosteronzzz!!!! don't destroy mah alphanesses!!!

yeah, totally alpha behaviour

you know when you will be alpha? when you will not give a shyt about fap or nofap or testoterone levels or whatever, and just do what you want.
testosterone doesn't get to be stored in your jizz so you can lose it on ejaculating it is in your bloodstream. also very high testosterone levels will make you extra hairy and dumb. or whatever, who cares?

and dangers of pornography? ermagherd i am being attacked by man eating porn movies run for your lives!
i like to watch other people have sex. i do it live with some close friend couples, and i watch porn too. sometimes my gf jerks me off while watching porn together. are we some kind of sick people? maybe. do we enjoy it? definitely.

what i really think ( no offense, personal opinion here) is that the only people who are adversely affected by watching people have sex, or by spanking the monkey in an extreme manner, are the socially awkward people, whose only options are fap+porn anyway, because they cannot interact with people. for balanced and mature individuals this is a recreational activity that is fun, exciting and a good tension releasing method.

dunno about body builders' motivation and nofap correlations, but i have a hunch that nofap's only effect is that it makes you more horny and tensioned, and maybe it makes it more easy to pump the irons. i am not a body builder so i don't know.

 

[Jair213]

girlfriend comes for a sexy time. she prepares her hands for handjob.
boyfriend (slapping her hands): stop it you bytch, i need teh testosteronzzz!!!! don't destroy mah alphanesses!!!

yeah, totally alpha behaviour

you know when you will be alpha? when you will not give a shyt about fap or nofap or testoterone levels or whatever, and just do what you want.
testosterone doesn't get to be stored in your jizz so you can lose it on ejaculating it is in your bloodstream. also very high testosterone levels will make you extra hairy and dumb. or whatever, who cares?

and dangers of pornography? ermagherd i am being attacked by man eating porn movies run for your lives!
i like to watch other people have sex. i do it live with some close friend couples, and i watch porn too. sometimes my gf jerks me off while watching porn together. are we some kind of sick people? maybe. do we enjoy it? definitely.

what i really think ( no offense, personal opinion here) is that the only people who are adversely affected by watching people have sex, or by spanking the monkey in an extreme manner, are the socially awkward people, whose only options are fap+porn anyway, because they cannot interact with people. for balanced and mature individuals this is a recreational activity that is fun, exciting and a good tension releasing method.

dunno about body builders' motivation and nofap correlations, but i have a hunch that nofap's only effect is that it makes you more horny and tensioned, and maybe it makes it more easy to pump the irons. i am not a body builder so i don't know.

porn is not detrimental, or is it bad.
anything is bad in excess, and abusing it(that is the logic here)..

no fap was created for guys that are addicted to porn and masterbate to it excessively.. we are talking about men that have being masterbating to porn excessively 2 to even 5 times a day for years and years maybe 10 + years that they become detached from the real thing(having sex) then when they come to having real sex there body doesnt respond to the real stimuli(sex)

if you watch porn or fap and dont have any problems smashing a chick then i wouldnt worry about ''the no fap challenge''.. like i said this no fap thing was created for guys that are heavily addicted to fapping to porn and as a result has affected there ability's to perform under the real stimuli(sex)

 

[Jair213]

always wanted to try no fap, just have a few questions:

1) After studying many posts in the forums, i learnt that the main argument for no fap is that it increases testosterone levels. In that case, wouldnt having real sex decrease testosterone levels too? It both involves ejaculation

2) For the married man who is getting sex as much as he likes, (assuming he has a good wife lol) wouldn't this argument mean that his testosterone levels is constantly low?

3) wont wet dreams decrease testosterone levels too?

4) how exactly does no fap help, then?

any feedback would be most welcome

no fap will make you feel hornier and more energetic. but dont expect any alpha type powers from it..

dont worry about no fap and just fvck as many bishes as u can.

 

[sylvester the cat]

it is a scientific fact that spermatozoa contains powerful life energy as it has been proved in the laboratory aka the womb.

something to think about next time you feel like releasing said energy into some tissue.

 

[CrimsonPanther]

no fap was created for guys that are addicted to porn and masterbate to it excessively.. we are talking about men that have being masterbating to porn excessively 2 to even 5 times a day for years and years maybe 10 + years that they become detached from the real thing(having sex) then when they come to having real sex there body doesnt respond to the real stimuli(sex)

i agree, with a little addition:

i was in that same situation. for me the detachment came as a nice side effect. from when i was 7-8 yo. until 13 i choked the snake 3-4 times a day. **** me, right? :crackup: BUT: when i started boning girls, they were all like O_O when i did them 2 - 3 hrs in a row and gave them 3+ orgasms. all this i attribute to my wiener getting used to this stuff. i am not a good looking guy (not bad also, but not hot per se), so usually i need game to get the females into a horizontal position. but if i manage to score, after that the sex alone can keep them coming back. i am not boasting, i think everyone can do this when the females get thrown down from the pedestal. but in my mind this is all thanks to the intensive jerking action over the years.

 

[Dgwizdal]

No Fap does different things for different people. In my experience, I last a lot longer with real girls when I DONT fap. I think subconsciously my mind knows when im blowing my load to my iphone screen or a HB. I do feel like a lame, lethargic, less alpha for a few days after I'm done whacking it. But when I'm beastin plates, I have the exact opposite happen even if I have sex every day of the week regardless about the relation between sperm and T levels. Save the fappin for the AFC's and spin plates brah.

 

[thatfeel]

The biggest reasons and in my opinion the most advocated ones for no fap are things like unintended dopamine abuse by having to constantly find new things in porn that stimulate your feel good receptors(basically when you get bored of whatever it is you fap to, you must find something new to please you) and unrealistic expectations of real life scenarios not lining up with all the porn you've watched causing erectile dysfunction when you do actually go to have sex. The whole thing that porn and chronic masturbation does to your brain as a "side effect" of this abuse can also manifest as depression, lack of motivation, general lethargy, and general feeling of tiredness.

 

[CostaDeSol]

2) For the married man who is getting sex as much as he likes, (assuming he has a good wife lol) wouldn't this argument mean that his testosterone levels is constantly low?

i believe i read a study that reported that married men have lower testosterone levels than single men.

I would think its because of this:

1. married men are no longer "hunting" for a female. they have one at home. they don't have to worry about competing for one, like all the single males do. Single males are in "female hunting" mode so they need all the testosterone they can get to be aggressive and be competitive.

2. married men have to care for their offspring, and adopt a parent mentality. nothing makes you softer than spending time with a bunch of babies.

 

[TheBossman]

I've watched the TED dopamine talk.
People are making a Porn=Masturbation link. I never heard them say that. It was all about the visual stimulation, not about over masturbation. So I'm still confused if this was an inferred link, or if it's the use of visual stimulation vs. pure mental imagery that was causing the dopamine problem.

I have also found "normal" porn doesn't do it. I'm tired of the super fake plastic *****s. That's why amateur and girl next door do it much better for alot of people. So the whole "unattainable" porn star comparison argument
doesn't always fit.

Hell, I've read porn stories that had just as much of an effect as watching them.