Question about the supplements I bought

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Hi guys, I just went to my local vitamin store and bought: protein, multivitamins, flax oil, fish oils. I usually take the multivitamin in the morning.... shoul i take the others in the morning too? or any other time past our prior to my workout?

Ps. Sorry for the newbie question, but flax oil and fish oil are different things right? They are all from the Omega3,6,9 family right? Maybe i should go reread the bottles....lol
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Fish oil = 5-10 g/day, spread out taken w/ meals
flax oil = 10-40g/day or whatever, used to suppliment your meals w/ healthy fat.

That's what I'd say

multi in the morning. etc.
 

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Take your oil in your pro/fat meals or in protein shakes at any time of day except pre-bed if you're worried about bodyfat and NEVER in post-workout shakes.

Omega 3,6,9 isn't a fat family - they're essential fatty acids (EFAs) contained in some fatty foods i.e. oily fish (hence the fish oil) and flaxseeds (hence the flax oil).

In my view you don't need fish oil AND flax oil because they're basically a source of the same EFA - omega 3.

We get omega 6s from safflower, sunflower, canola, soy and corn oil, as well as most nuts and seeds too, our diets tend to overabundant in these anyway, it's omega 3s we have trouble taking in.

You might wanna look into an omega oil blend for a complete EFA source, though I doubt it's necessary (it's expensive too).

Triangulo, consider your lifestyle, bodyfat, physical goals and calorific needs (a tablespoon of fish or flax oil can be 100+ calories) and take as much oil as you see fit. There's no cookie cutter dose - but it can be easy to remember if you take that dose at the same time of day each day.
 

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Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Take your oil in your pro/fat meals or in protein shakes at any time of day except pre-bed if you're worried about bodyfat and NEVER in post-workout shakes.


:eek:

why not?

thats what i've been doing!!!:down:
 

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Fat slows down the digestion (because it just sits in the stomach rather than being digested there).. hence mixing protein and fat means the protein will be digested slower.

However, post-workout is when we need fast-acting protein the most. We combine fast-acting protein (whey or egg white protein) with simple carbs to get our body back into repair mode as fast as possible.

If we add fat to the post-workout meal, the whole process is slowed down, your muscles don't get the nutrients when they need them most (the body is most receptive to protein directly after a weights workout).. therefore you're not giving your body the best chance it has of repairing itself and growing lean tissue efficiently.

Post-workout is always fast-acting protein and simple carbs, whey/egg protein with any of the following: dextrose, fruit juice, lucozade, fruit, table sugar even, hell I've seen some people eating cherry bakewells after a workout (not the best thing but the sugar is there at least!).

For me, the post-workout shake is always a treat, currently strawberry whey, 500ml cranberry+apple juice, and dextrose (plus glutamine): gorgeous.

You can add complex carbs to the post-workout meal, like some brown bread or oats but only if you're not gonna have your post-post-workout meal for a while.

And yes, you can have solid simple carbs too like white bread or white pasta after a workout, the body just wants carbs and doesn't care where you get 'em from, although the thought of solid food after squatting is enough to put me off my food (oo-er!).

But yeah.. no fat in that post-workout shake. It should also be kept to a minimum in your ppwo meal too but don't worry if you have some beef for example.
 

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I thought the ppwo meal was supposed to have carbs too alex, even if they weren't necessarily complex.

Isn't it Pro/fast carbs pwo, and then ppwo would be like the only pro/fat/carb meal of the day, which would be somewehre like 30mins - 1 hour from your pwo shake?
 

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Post-workout: protein (fast preferably) + simple carbs
Post-post-workout: protein + carbs (complex and/or simple)

The ppwo meal can have some fat in it, as you've correctly said before all the nutrients will go towards muscle repair if eaten within an hour or so of the pwo meal (when the body is still highly receptive) BUT it doesn't pay to have a lot of fat in the ppwo meal because it'd just slow digestion down too much anyway.

Don't overthink it, just make sure you have protein and carbs pwo and ppwo and avoid fat pwo.
 

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exactly.

Now if I can only get past this damn hump of not being able to get up early and do some walking for 45-60 mins... grr.... And the diet's been shyt lately too. It's ALMOST time to take a week off... I think after next week I'll cut out for a week or so (or maybe do that for next week) and then come back in with some clean dieting, cardio, and some lower overall cals (like 2200-2300?) to try to cut through some bodyfat for a few weeks.
 

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After your week off you might want to look into some HIIT mate if there's bodyfat that's bothering you, it maintains muscle very well and does a number on bodyfat.. you can afford to eat a little more with HIIT too. (I saw 2200 calories quoted there and broke out in a cold sweat)

I'm saying this now before you get too freakishly huge to break into a run, 'cause I know that's where you're going. ;)
 

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I've always wondered why it's been an age-old tradition of consuming Vitamins and supplements in the morning..I usually take mine after my workout.
 

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hahah.. good reply alex.

I'm always torn, because the ladies love the sixpack, but it takes some damn strict dieting for me to get it. I'd say right now I'm a good 8-10 weeks out from like 9-10% bodyfat, if I kept with cardio and had my diet nailed down. But that would mean no parties ever, and no getting out to eat at all and such, which I've done before, but I don't know if my friends would tolerate that in the summer time ;)

Right now my diet's ok when I have time, but some hectic-a$$ days I'm sittin and just throwing things together while running out the door, so yesterday I had barely anything to eat from about 4:00 - 11:30 pm.... (just a little 'zone' bar and a couple sodas). When my diet is on right now, I'll be good for a few days, but pull a bite to eat out maybe once or twice a week... maybe drink a few beers every other week, ya know, things that just slip a little that keep the training/dieting from being perfect.

In terms of putting on muscle mass and such, I could prolly keep doing what I'm doing, and keep it semi-clean while eating a ton of protein to put on lbs, get up higher, and then pull back the bodyfat later in the year, or I could try to take it off and keep everything moderate later...

...don't really know yet.
 

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Semag - Just as many ladies like a flat, smooth belly (not a beergut though) mate, and there's a few who are actually interested in YOU, y'know .. :p

Everyone has periods when for some reason their training and diet is less than ideal, sometimes you just need a break, like a total month off eating and sleeping however you please, as long as you're more on track than off then you'll get where you want to be, it'll just take longer.

It's good that you've got your head screwed on properly and accept that in straying from the path of the warrior (or something poetic like that) you're delaying your gains - I'm not saying that straying is evil though, it's just so many guys want to get rat-arsed over the weekend and a couple of weeknights to and then expect to have a perfect body too. You're very level-headed about this, and that's it really, mind over matter (but not his protein recommendations, hell my honey's ferrets couldn't grow muscle on the amount he's eating).

If you're a coupla months or so away from your ideal then let you could do fine just letting go a little and then getting back on track, it's not like you're 26% bodyfat and unfit, you've got a very solid base, and unless you want to do this professionally then I see no harm in enjoying yourself (i.e. slipping diet-wise), besides you're 21 and have plenty of time to burn off those beers .. not that I can understand how you can drink the stuff you get in the US which you call beer, it's absolute p!ss.
 

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Originally posted by Warboss Alex
besides you're 21 and have plenty of time to burn off those beers .. not that I can understand how you can drink the stuff you get in the US which you call beer, it's absolute p!ss.

The U.S.: where men are men and if you disagree we'll bomb you, sue you, then wonder why you hate us.
 

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Take your oil in your pro/fat meals or in protein shakes at any time of day except pre-bed if you're worried about bodyfat and NEVER in post-workout shakes.
You ALWAYS take your fat protein combos in the evening before bed. It's carbs, carbs-fat, combinations that you don't take before bed.
 

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Originally posted by Chrisman
You ALWAYS take your fat protein combos in the evening before bed. It's carbs, carbs-fat, combinations that you don't take before bed.
How do you figure? You shouldn't be taking in carbs-fat combinations anyway.

Taking large amounts of fat before bed can cause insulin issues. A casein-based protein drink is best before bed, or even better, solid food: lean protein and veg.
 

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You are right that you shouldn't take carb-fat combos, but fat protein combos are always important before bed. Fat slows down the digestion of food so your protein lasts for the night.

Casein protein is fine, but if it's fatty like cottage cheese, you'll be better off.
 
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