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Question about Conversations during Cold Approach

smooth_lowkey

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"If she's shy, talk about yourself so that she'll feel comfortable on opening up

However, if she is responding a lot, then let her talk and encourage her to talk by asking her questions. And shut up, don't share experiences or story about your life unless asked, and even so, keep it vague and minimal and the whole focus of the convo should be about her, return the conversation back to her."

That's what I learned from my three previous failed encounters. BUT I'M SKEPTICAL, as those were months apart. Can a more experienced criticize what I learned?
 

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"If she's shy, talk about yourself so that she'll feel comfortable on opening up

However, if she is responding a lot, then let her talk and encourage her to talk by asking her questions. And shut up, don't share experiences or story about your life unless asked, and even so, keep it vague and minimal and the whole focus of the convo should be about her, return the conversation back to her."

That's what I learned from my three previous failed encounters. BUT I'M SKEPTICAL, as those were months apart. Can a more experienced criticize what I learned?
If you want to improve at anything you have to do it consistently and accept that failing is going to happen a lot at first most likely while learning.

Doing things months apart is nowhere near consistently enough to become good at it and IMO if this is all the effort you are willing to put towards it, pointless.
 

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if she is responding a lot, then let her talk and encourage her to talk by asking her questions. And shut up, don't share experiences or story about your life unless asked, and even so, keep it vague and minimal and the whole focus of the convo should be about her, return the conversation back to her."

That's what I learned from my three previous failed encounters. BUT I'M SKEPTICAL, as those were months apart. Can a more experienced criticize what I learned?
If you have 3 lifetime cold approaches, that's insufficient volume of cold approaches. Mostly everyone who will respond to this thread has hundreds to thousands of cold approaches. I'm a 40 year old man who asked out my first female 24 years ago. In the last 24 years, I have approached over 1,000 women in person and have dealt with thousands of more women on online dating websites, social media direct messages, and swipe apps.

It's a good thing for a woman to do more of the talking both during an initial approach and during your early stage dates. I'd recommend for you to keep doing this on your approaches and when you go on first dates.

Former PUA Roosh had a principle that he wrote about in May 2013. He believed it was wise for seducers to do at least one daily approach.


You need to do one daily approach from either a non-bar venue or going to bars until you've achieved your seduction goals of either regular sex from multiple women or regular sex from some sort of extended relationship with one woman.

You are also going to need to work on your physique to optimize looks if you haven't already. You're a 22 year old male likely interacting with 18-22 year old women and looks matter most then. Money isn't a big deal in women's evaluations of you until you are 30+. You would be aided in your 20s by status markers such as being as intercollegiate or professional athlete, musician, bartender, bouncer, or nightlife venue promoter.

@nicksaiz65 is one of the biggest volume approachers on this forum right now. He has a few approach journals but read this approach journal for an inside look at the quantity of approaching you may need to do. I've also linked a 2nd approach journal from a formerly active member who kept a great approach journal on this forum. Both these threads show men who have made hundreds to thousands of approaches.


 

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If you have 3 lifetime cold approaches, that's insufficient volume of cold approaches. Mostly everyone who will respond to this thread has hundreds to thousands of cold approaches. I'm a 40 year old man who asked out my first female 24 years ago. In the last 24 years, I have approached over 1,000 women in person and have dealt with thousands of more women on online dating websites, social media direct messages, and swipe apps.

It's a good thing for a woman to do more of the talking both during an initial approach and during your early stage dates. I'd recommend for you to keep doing this on your approaches and when you go on first dates.

Former PUA Roosh had a principle that he wrote about in May 2013. He believed it was wise for seducers to do at least one daily approach.


You need to do one daily approach from either a non-bar venue or going to bars until you've achieved your seduction goals of either regular sex from multiple women or regular sex from some sort of extended relationship with one woman.

You are also going to need to work on your physique to optimize looks if you haven't already. You're a 22 year old male likely interacting with 18-22 year old women and looks matter most then. Money isn't a big deal in women's evaluations of you until you are 30+. You would be aided in your 20s by status markers such as being as intercollegiate or professional athlete, musician, bartender, bouncer, or nightlife venue promoter.

@nicksaiz65 is one of the biggest volume approachers on this forum right now. He has a few approach journals but read this approach journal for an inside look at the quantity of approaching you may need to do. I've also linked a 2nd approach journal from a formerly active member who kept a great approach journal on this forum. Both these threads show men who have made hundreds to thousands of approaches.


I am indeed 20 years old, incredibly new and inexperienced so the money thing is indeed helpful to me as I'm still finding ways to generate cash.

Looks are alright, people have called me handsome and wonder why I still don't have a girl.

I'm also asking this because I was able to strike a good opener to a girl. Then she was comfortable enough to share her dreams in life, problem is I got bored listening to it. She probably felt rejected so the mood turn sour, had to cut the conversation of. (I ended on a bad note)

This has happened to me before, I'd get bored and overwhelmed by them sharing their own story. This is so detrimental because I'd unconciously think "Fck I have to listen to this, we just met, I don't care". And it sucks because it'd show on my body language that I no longer appear interested.

Please don't roast me for not cold approaching that much. I'm doin behind the scenes work on brushing up my social skills, randomly striking a conversation to anyone and having no end goal but instead to just... talk.

The three cold approaches were done because I had a goal of getting their number.

So overall, my problem is I appear to get bored and overwhelmed on listening to a story of someone I just "met". What do you think is the genuine problem? Is it my introversion? Cause I'm getting frustrated to myself, idk what solution I could think of.

Btw, Thanks for the Journal notes and the other link, will read it later when I get home.
 

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I am indeed 20 years old, incredibly new and inexperienced so the money thing is indeed helpful to me as I'm still finding ways to generate cash.
You are 22 years old according to your profile on here. You might want to fix that as a new member.

Please don't roast me for not cold approaching that much. I'm doin behind the scenes work on brushing up my social skills, randomly striking a conversation to anyone and having no end goal but instead to just... talk.
I won't roast you in the slightest bit. Everyone has to start somewhere.

If you're 20 (born in 2003), you've reached sexual maturity in an era where men haven't had to cold approach at all. For those entering the sexual marketplace in the last 10-15 years, approaching in-person has been optional.

From 1999-2005 (when I was 16-22), approaching in-person was far more mandatory. , I was in high school and college. If I wanted to have sex then, it wasn't likely to happen unless I did a face-to-face approach. It was only at the tail end of that era where I could have legitimate tech options, but tech options were not mainstream for younger people yet.

Online dating websites existed in the 1999-2005 era but were used mainly by older singles then (25-35) and less socially skilled then. Match.com launched back in 1995, eHarmony started in 2000, Plenty of Fish started in 2003, and OkCupid started in 2003/2004. 1999-2005 is the era when online dating websites were de-stigmatizing. In 2004, Facebook launched for university students (I was attending a university then) and MySpace also launched that year. In 2004-2005, there were people sending DMs on Facebook and MySpace trying to get dates and sex, but it had yet to hit the mainstream. Since 2005, the tech-based methods (social media DMing and dating websites/applications) have been replacing in-person approaching.

A 18-22 year old today has only known a world where approaching people in person hasn't been mandatory for starting romantic interactions.

If you're attending a university, you have one of the best options available to you for meeting women. Start using your university campus more if you're a current college student. There's a great college campus sex thread on this forum....


The three cold approaches were done because I had a goal of getting their number.
That's not a good goal. Many men make this mistake. Phone numbers and social media handles are useless to get on their own.

The goal with an approach needs to be either same night sex or agreement for a specific in person interaction next time. That specific in person interaction next time is commonly known as a first date. Don't collect a phone number without an agreement for a first date. Something like 7 PM on Monday night at X Bar.

I'm also asking this because I was able to strike a good opener to a girl. Then she was comfortable enough to share her dreams in life, problem is I got bored listening to it. She probably felt rejected so the mood turn sour, had to cut the conversation of. (I ended on a bad note)

This has happened to me before, I'd get bored and overwhelmed by them sharing their own story. This is so detrimental because I'd unconciously think "Fck I have to listen to this, we just met, I don't care". And it sucks because it'd show on my body language that I no longer appear interested.

my problem is I appear to get bored and overwhelmed on listening to a story of someone I just "met". What do you think is the genuine problem? Is it my introversion? Cause I'm getting frustrated to myself, idk what solution I could think of.
You are opening and getting initial buy in to the conversation. You are likely to need to work on your social skills and conversational skills.

I am an introvert. Introversion alone isn't a reason for getting bored and not listening in conversations. Have you tested for any personality disorders such as ADD, ADHD, Autism/Asperger's etc.?

If you don't have a personality disorder, you might have to do some foundational work with social skills and conversational skills before delving into the world of attraction and seduction.
 

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If you have 3 lifetime cold approaches, that's insufficient volume of cold approaches. Mostly everyone who will respond to this thread has hundreds to thousands of cold approaches. I'm a 40 year old man who asked out my first female 24 years ago. In the last 24 years, I have approached over 1,000 women in person and have dealt with thousands of more women on online dating websites, social media direct messages, and swipe apps.

It's a good thing for a woman to do more of the talking both during an initial approach and during your early stage dates. I'd recommend for you to keep doing this on your approaches and when you go on first dates.

Former PUA Roosh had a principle that he wrote about in May 2013. He believed it was wise for seducers to do at least one daily approach.


You need to do one daily approach from either a non-bar venue or going to bars until you've achieved your seduction goals of either regular sex from multiple women or regular sex from some sort of extended relationship with one woman.

You are also going to need to work on your physique to optimize looks if you haven't already. You're a 22 year old male likely interacting with 18-22 year old women and looks matter most then. Money isn't a big deal in women's evaluations of you until you are 30+. You would be aided in your 20s by status markers such as being as intercollegiate or professional athlete, musician, bartender, bouncer, or nightlife venue promoter.

@nicksaiz65 is one of the biggest volume approachers on this forum right now. He has a few approach journals but read this approach journal for an inside look at the quantity of approaching you may need to do. I've also linked a 2nd approach journal from a formerly active member who kept a great approach journal on this forum. Both these threads show men who have made hundreds to thousands of approaches.


Great advice.
 

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I've also linked a 2nd approach journal from a formerly active member who kept a great approach journal on this forum.
He admitted to making some stuff up. Im not saying there is no value in there, but If I was gonna recommend this to anyone, maybe I would add to take it with a grain of salt.
 

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He admitted to making some stuff up. Im not saying there is no value in there, but If I was gonna recommend this to anyone, maybe I would add to take it with a grain of salt.
That's a valid point. The primary value in that thread is showing how many approaches it takes to actually get a positive outcome.
 
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