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He says a lot of truth about women's immaturity. But he also offers some overly harsh criticism about seduction techniques. Ultimately, here is where he goes wrong:

Some might say that what I'm saying is not really true and that it is a man's job to initiate and lead. But that is a form of chivalry, which has no place in an egalitarian society.
It absolutely is the man's job to lead.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
 

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And after reading several of the guy's other posts, I would say that the author simply has a very negative, fatalistic mindset.
 

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Obsidian said:
He says a lot of truth about women's immaturity. But he also offers some overly harsh criticism about seduction techniques. Ultimately, here is where he goes wrong:



It absolutely is the man's job to lead.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
I agree with you , but he has a point about charging money to guys then traveling the world creating that lifestyle
 

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Certainly men should lead.

But I agree with the author about the first main flaw with the PUA philosophy. They say don't put women on the pedestal, but then they tell you to change your entire personality to attract them, become c0cky and funny because they like c0cky and funny, act like a jerk because they like jerks, learn how to pass all their sh!t tests, go out and say "hi" to 100 women, go club five nights a week and approach women for six years so you get good at it. I mean, damn, talk about being a puppet dancing on women's strings...

I've always thought that was a flaw with the PUA philosophy, a bit of hypocrisy if you will. It's still catering to women, just giving them what they want supposedly, as opposed to what they think they want.
 

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zekko said:
Certainly men should lead.

But I agree with the author about the first main flaw with the PUA philosophy. They say don't put women on the pedestal, but then they tell you to change your entire personality to attract them, become c0cky and funny because they like c0cky and funny, act like a jerk because they like jerks, learn how to pass all their sh!t tests, go out and say "hi" to 100 women, go club five nights a week and approach women for six years so you get good at it. I mean, damn, talk about being a puppet dancing on women's strings...

I've always thought that was a flaw with the PUA philosophy, a bit of hypocrisy if you will. It's still catering to women, just giving them what they want supposedly, as opposed to what they think they want.
Zekko dropping gems again!

Yes. It's hilarious how PUA's try to brainwash themselves that they aren't putting the puss on a pedestal while they themselves as well as telling every guy who follows them to basically change everything about yourself to attract women and then make it seem like every woman will be attracted to you.

PUA dudes are clowns. They aren't even self-aware. And if they are they continually try to convince themselves they aren't pandering to women while doing everything to pander to them.

It's like these clowns who try to remove every human element and act like uncaring robots whom blame women for doing that while reducing everything to imagining themselves as this fantasy character who is about puss and that's the end all be all to every interaction.

It's laughable and pathetically delusional at the same time. Yet it's surprising how many are just like those PUA dudes and fall for the scams over and over.
 

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The PUA idolization of women is wrong, but a great deal of what they teach is still objectively good. For example, being ****y and funny is a good characteristic to have. Not only will it help you get women, but it will also help you socialize with other men. Most importantly, once you get comfortable with it, being ****y and funny can be fun.

I spent about a solid year becoming a more extroverted person (different from my naturally shy self) even before discovering the Red Pill. Yet after improving my seduction skills, too, I've gotten significantly better at being friendly toward other guys, being friendly toward women that I'm not sexually interested in, dealing with children, dealing with people in business, etc. Proper sexuality and vivacity extend into many areas of life.
 

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Obsidian said:
The PUA idolization of women is wrong, but a great deal of what they teach is still objectively good. For example, being ****y and funny is a good characteristic to have. Not only will it help you get women, but it will also help you socialize with other men. Most importantly, once you get comfortable with it, being ****y and funny can be fun.
Personally, I think the C&F stuff is overrated. I mean, yeah, you should have the social skills to be able to playful with people and bust on them without really hurting their feelings. But there used to be a wise poster here, Jophil (RIP), who used to say that C&F should be like seasoning on a dish - you just want a dash of it. You can't just go around spouting C&F statements all day, hoping to attract women, without sounding like a cartoon.

But here, I will say something nice about PUAs: I don't believe in all their techniques by any means, but:
I do think that sometimes, when you learn to attract women, it can make you a better man. Because sometimes women have a proper image of the male gender role and respond to it, and if you can become that masculine person, then you are playing into your strengths and becoming the man you should have been in the first place, the man that was within you all along.

Sort of like how Atom Smasher liked to recommend guys learn to work with tools. That's a good masculine skill to have, plays to the male gender role, helps you become more independent, and will probably save you money as well. That's not exactly PUA technique, but you get the idea.
 
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