Problems making the next move...

XhangCrow

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Ok guys. I need some help. I am a budding Juan but want to be a master at it.

Here is the situation.

I am after a pretty tough catch. We're in this show together and we've been flirting massively for the last couple of weeks. I've asked her out once and she said no. However, after asking her out, the girl begins texting me and giving hugs and such during rehearsals. Last weekend, we went out as "friends" back to my place and hung out, told some dirty secrets, and cuddled alot during the night. She told me alot about herself that night and when I read her palm, she was so amazed at how right I was and couldn't think of any comebacks.

After I brought her home, I told I had something important to tell her but I would tell her the next day. The next day, she's texting me left and right about what the message is. I told I'd give her a hint (which was something we talked about last night) and she couldn't figure it out. Throughout the day she's whining and coyish-ly tried to get me to give the answer to her which I refuse to give, driving her crazy.

The next day, at rehearsal, at the end, I told her I'd give her the next hint if she'd kiss me, she didn't HOWEVER, her body language shouted "CHASE ME". When I didn't, she gave another hug.

At the end of the night, she texts me saying if she should stop flirting with me cuz she feels bad and that she doesn't want me to feel like she's leading me on. I played it cool and basically told her she's playing hard to get but she'll succumb (Not in those words, I chose creatively what my words were). She then called me later on that night and after busting on her, she had to left for a moment but said she'd call back.

Later, she texts me again saying that she's sorry that she hung on on me and that she got into an argument with her ex. I told her to get off the phone with him and talk to me. She did it and we spend the rest of the night busting on each other and laughing all night. And damn, after we got off the phone, 15 minutes later, she texts me again! After busting on her again about how she can't seduce me (to which she tried to play the "I'm not sexy enough" pity tactic), I told her that she loves me texting her, talking to her, hugging her, etc. Of course she played defensively trying to hide behind a ****y exterior.

Normally, I know most of you guys would say to drop this girl. But I'm trying to prove a point to her and her friends who are telling her to get away from me. She constantly tells me that she'll never go out with me but yet I find HER texting ME to talk.

Another Juan friend of mine has helped me devise a plan to send her the "message" she wants in a Victorian Flower Arrangement which I plan to deliver on opening night of the show this weekend. But guys, because I don't know how else to word it, I want to get with this girl to show her that she can date a better quality guy that the bull she's dealt with. But so far, I'd like to think I'm doing it in the "non-wussy" way but not complimenting her (much), avoiding her pity parties, calling her out on her body language, predicting her moves (to which she has no answers to when I do it), making contact (slapping her butt, hugging, eye contact, getting really close in her space), and getting her to talk about her "special" turn on spots (happened on Friday). However the forces that are working against me are BOTH my "friends" and her friends (these friends are not successful Juans at all and her friends are either gay or in couples) who tell her and I that its not worth it (to which I believe she's believing in some sense hence her 'I'm never gonna date you' comments she constantly throws).

I've read Double Your Dating, The Art of Seduction (not fully), and many of the things here on this forum.

But guys, gimme some more advice! I know I can do this.

So help a brotha out.

XC
 

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Don't tell her how you feel. Show her, by being physical and sexual. The two of you should go get out together as just the two of you. The next time you do go out, just kiss her. When you see a decent opportunity, move in. Don't think about it or ask for it, just do it.

No other message can get the job done better.
 

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Ok im going to tell you this as a disclaimer, I am not very experienced.

But from what I do know/have practiced/read on these forums I really think you just need to strait up kiss this girl already! Im sure most ppl here would agree with me. be agressive!
 

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Cashew -

Thanks for the info. I'm currently in the workings of getting her to go with me alone again. She's trying to blow it off with that "I'm not dating you" motive. As for the kiss method, just go for it? If I get her alone and it feels 'right', you got it!

Anyone else? Or more advice?
 

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Jhadon said:
Ok im going to tell you this as a disclaimer, I am not very experienced.

But from what I do know/have practiced/read on these forums I really think you just need to strait up kiss this girl already! Im sure most ppl here would agree with me. be agressive!
More agressive? Just kiss her? I'm starting to hear that alot! :)
 

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Guys and girls hang out together all the time without it having to be "dating." She seems to be making a big deal out of it when it shouldn't be. Call her on that by saying something like "You make it to be a much bigger deal than this is, we are just hanging out, it's something people do together all the time."

Go do something that isn't stereotypical date-like. So no dinner, no movie, nothing romantic, go do something fun.

Also, don't let the outing go by without kissing her by the end of it. You MUST get that done at some point before you part ways at the end of the day.
 

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Cashew - That's a good point. I would have tried to kiss her at the end normally. I think I have an idea where to take her for a good time. If you got anymore advice, fill me in! Is there anything that I should do in the meantime prior to this?
 

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XhangCrow said:
Cashew - That's a good point. I would have tried to kiss her at the end normally. I think I have an idea where to take her for a good time. If you got anymore advice, fill me in! Is there anything that I should do in the meantime prior to this?
Show her that your a fun guy, and you don't care what she thinks. You are a MAN and you need to stop waiting for her to make the move!! Here's a strategy you can do to almost assure a kiss EVERY time:

1) Start picturing yourself having sex with her, and what you would do... thinking in further and further detail..
2) Look directly in her eyes with this intent. She WILL pick this up and it will put her in the "sexual state"
3) When your talking, it could be about anything, start slowing down your speech and switch between staring at her eyes and her lips.
4) Keep slowing down your speech and move closer and closer to her. Eventually the sexual tension will be so great, that if you go to kiss her, there will be no resistance. Heck, half the time she will reach out and kiss you!


Good luck! :up:
 

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Also try to pursue some other girls. That way it will take your mind off of her and you won't appear as needy. She'll sense this and maybe get a tad jealous especially if she sees you hanging out with other chicks.

When you do go out with her on a date just be the **** and take matters into your own hand. People already gave you advice on what to do and to go for the kiss.
 

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I know she wasn't going to make the move... Of course, the bane of every budding Juan, fear, is what was keeping me from kissing her. Yeah, I admit it. Before we hung out the first time, she had said something along the lines of "Yeah, guys say that we're hanging out but then they try to kiss me at the end."

It seem like she was prepared for it if I tried it. So just go and do it with sexual intent...? I don't have any experience doing what ya said to try, jdon, but hey, why not!!!

Keep on feeding me guys. I'm digging this.
 

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Go for it! Tell me how it works for you! And yes you need to do it with a sexual intent. Think about it.. what is the main difference between a friend and a lover?

Sexual attraction / energy.

You have to NOT be afraid to show your sexuality, or else she will see you as a man without a penis- an emotional tampon of sorts.

Make your intentions clear with your actions- not your words. This is the way an alpha acts. He takes what he wants :)
 

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Gotcha. So one last question for now...

Should I do this now (as in later today) or when we are alone again?
 
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