Problem.. dunno wat to do

[DiMarzio]

Hi guys, i am 17 yrs old and i have huge problem. I have a very high motabolism! im a very short and scrawny guy, and i can eat as much as i can and excercise like a biatch but i still dont put on weight, this is a big issue for me. I dont know wat to do about it. I think its hereditory and theres pretty nothing much i can do about it. Should this influence how a girl see's me?

 

[White_Italian]

Eat a large pizza every single week.

 

[Warboss Alex]

i can eat as much as i can and excercise like a biatch

Care to elaborate? I bet you're not eating nearly enough and not exercising properly either.

Let's see a sample day's diet and your workout routine.

 

[Fender]

Originally posted by White_Italian
Eat a large pizza every single week.

That's a pretty stupid suggestion...

Try using some weightgainers such as N-large. It'll provide you with crazy amounts of carbs, proteins and some fats- just what you need for muscle growth. Also, lift heavier weights, compound movements, etc. (check out diesals guide to bulking up)

-fender-

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by Fender
That's a pretty stupid suggestion...

And yet you recommend n-large?

Personally, I can't see the difference between pizza and any commercial weight-gain formula. Have the pizza and enjoy it I say, it's just protein and fast carbs like n-large!

 

[Fender]

Lol, yes, but pizza has more saturated fats (Waaaay more). And n-large (to my knowledge) is a mix of simple and complex carbs while pizza is...basically all simple carbs!

But ye, indulge in a pizza once in a while- not for your health, for the taste buds

 

[Warboss Alex]

Ingredients:
Whey Protein Concentrate, Maltodextrin, Fructose, Cocoa Powder (Dutch Process), Natural & Artificial Flavors and Lecithin.

(from a google search for n-large)

Show me the complex carbs there!

And remind me what's so bad about saturated fat?

I personally would rather have a pizza and feel satisfied than take any commercial weight-gainer which is nothing more than a sugar high IMO. The ingredients in pizza give you a much bigger overall benefit than whatever's in n-large.

I've nothing against weight-gainers if you make them out of oats and whey and eggs and stuff, but there's just no point spending money on those on the market.

 

[Fender]

Lol, thx for the research warboss, I guess I was being mislead by ad campaigns and scams. Anyways, I prefer wegihtgainers because it's simple (mix with water..done), has large amounts of high quality protien (whey- the best there is) and becasue I have a small appetite so I prefer my calories to be more concentrated. But dimarzio doesn't seem to have that problem so..lets move on

Saturated fats have been shown to increase cholestral levels (the bad type of cholestral) and increase risks of heart disease. But in terms of getting big, saturated and unsaturated don't really make a difference (9 calories per gram). But for the sake of fitness and a longer life, stay away from sat. fats (ie. pizza)

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by Fender
Saturated fats have been shown to increase cholestral levels (the bad type of cholestral) and increase risks of heart disease. But in terms of getting big, saturated and unsaturated don't really make a difference (9 calories per gram). But for the sake of fitness and a longer life, stay away from sat. fats (ie. pizza)

For the average, sedentary, office-bound person who doesn't work out then yes, saturated fats can be bad. But exercise of any intensity lowers the risk of heart disease and also lowers your cholesterol levels so for an athlete (like ourselves) that's a bit of a non-issue.

I agree there's better fat choices but I wasn't also suggesting that the guy bases his diet around pizza either. I'm just saying that if I had a choice between pizza and n-large, I'd always, always, always go for the pizza because it's more nutritious (much the same way as, if I had a choice between a couple of protein bars and a McDonald's, I'd always go for the burger).

And if you can get pizza made with wholemeal dough and low-fat mozarella (I'm sure you can in America?) then the stuff's positively good for you.

N-large will always just be sugar though. Protein yes, but too much sugar to merit spending the money.

If you want convenience, then mix whey powder and oats with water in a blender. Actually, I'm gonna do that just now, I'm peckish.

 

[simon]

There is NOT ONE study that has shown saturated fats to increase the risk of heart disease. Infact, it's sometimes exactly the opposite. For example, a study in Japan found that those with the highest intake of saturated fat had the lowest risk of stroke.

Read more on this at http://www.theomnivore.com/

"A significantly lower relative risk (-35%) for cardiovascular mortality was observed amongst men from the highest quartile of total fat intake. Saturated fat showed no relationship with cardiovascular disease in men. Among women, cardiovascular mortality showed a downward trend with increasing saturated fat intake, but the relative risk reductions did not reach statistical significance.

As for overall mortality, no relationship was observed for total fat or saturated fat intake among women. There was, however, a trend for increasing overall mortality with rising monounsaturated fat intakes. In men, no relationship was observed between saturated fat intake and overall mortality. In contrast to the findings in women, men in the third highest quartiles of total and monounsaturated fat intake enjoyed statistically significant total mortality reductions of 23% and 24%, respectively."

"To date, some 26 long-term follow-up studies, ranging in length from 4 to 23 years, have examined the relationship between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease.[1-26] We are constantly told that saturated fat is a toxic "artery-clogger", yet only four of these studies have managed to detect even desperately weak statistical associations between saturated fat and CHD/CVD mortality. One study observed a protective relationship, while all the rest found no association at all."

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by simon
There is NOT ONE study that has shown saturated fats to increase the risk of heart disease. Infact, it's sometimes exactly the opposite. For example, a study in Japan found that those with the highest intake of saturated fat had the lowest risk of stroke.

Read more on this at http://www.theomnivore.com/

"A significantly lower relative risk (-35%) for cardiovascular mortality was observed amongst men from the highest quartile of total fat intake. Saturated fat showed no relationship with cardiovascular disease in men. Among women, cardiovascular mortality showed a downward trend with increasing saturated fat intake, but the relative risk reductions did not reach statistical significance.

As for overall mortality, no relationship was observed for total fat or saturated fat intake among women. There was, however, a trend for increasing overall mortality with rising monounsaturated fat intakes. In men, no relationship was observed between saturated fat intake and overall mortality. In contrast to the findings in women, men in the third highest quartiles of total and monounsaturated fat intake enjoyed statistically significant total mortality reductions of 23% and 24%, respectively."

"To date, some 26 long-term follow-up studies, ranging in length from 4 to 23 years, have examined the relationship between saturated fat intake and cardiovascular disease.[1-26] We are constantly told that saturated fat is a toxic "artery-clogger", yet only four of these studies have managed to detect even desperately weak statistical associations between saturated fat and CHD/CVD mortality. One study observed a protective relationship, while all the rest found no association at all."

Cheers simon, good link too!

Fender, I hope you're binning the n-large and going out for an extra large hawaiian with anchovies as we speak...

 

[simon]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Cheers simon, good link too!

Anything for you, my Grecian sweetie :flowers:

The omnivore guy is bloody ripped!

http://www.theomnivore.com/photos/Anthony Abs_Thurs Aug 25 2005.jpg

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by simon
Anything for you, my Grecian sweetie :flowers:

Okay, what's it with you guys hitting on me lately..

I'm sure Manuva's behind it. Actually, I'm positive he is.

 

[Bible_Belt]

good link too!

People love being told what they want to hear - that is the key to good propaganda.

That web site is obviously a poorly-veiled marketing attempt by the meat and restaurant industries. They are the right-wing equivalent of PETA. Both of them care only about advancing their agendas. PETA wants money; the meat industry wants you buying meat. Neither of them are to be trusted.

 

[manuva]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
I'm sure Manuva's behind it. Actually, I'm positive he is.

Aww shucks (blushing). Well if you weren't so gosh-darned cute....

 

[Fender]

I hate to hijack the thread but...what the hell

Theres been a recent "fat" war in scientific community right now on which type of fat is actually GOOD for us. But generally (99%) of all scientists and doctors believe that saturated fats are the bad fats and poly/mono unsaturated are the good fats. But the research is inconclusive (everything contradicts). But I don't really care now. I'm 16. I'll start worrying about my heart when I'm 25 to 30-ish. And by then, they should have more solid research

So for now...BRING ON THE PIZZA!!!:cheer:

 

[simon]

Originally posted by Bible_Belt
good link too!

People love being told what they want to hear - that is the key to good propaganda.

That web site is obviously a poorly-veiled marketing attempt by the meat and restaurant industries. They are the right-wing equivalent of PETA. Both of them care only about advancing their agendas. PETA wants money; the meat industry wants you buying meat. Neither of them are to be trusted.

I suggest you actually read the content of the site before you make wild accusations.

http://www.theomnivore.com/Is_TheOmnivore_on_the_take.html

I suppose all the studies that he draws his conclusions from are wrong, or the scientists given free beef for a year? His references are listed here.

Here's what he has to say about PETA:

http://www.theomnivore.com/PETA_kills_animals.html

But generally (99%) of all scientists and doctors believe that saturated fats are the bad fats and poly/mono unsaturated are the good fats.

Where do doctors get their information from? Scientists.

The scientists have shown time and time again that there is no link between saturated fat and heart disease. As I said before, READ before you post.

Why do people think saturated fats are bad? Because they increase levels of LDL cholesterol, (the so called 'bad' cholesterol). When they examine the atheromas they find a lot of LDL cholesterol. So therefore...LDL cholesterol MUST cause heart disease. Great conclusion.

What they don't stress is that atheromas only form after the artery wall has been damaged, mostly due to high blood pressure.

 

[Fender]

Dude, I don't think theres any real point in arguing about saturated and unsaturated fats here. Not even the scientists themselves know which is gd. And they are supposedly more qualified and knowledgeable than us.

Are you a scientist Simon?

But once again, I'm not taking sides. Science has been wrong too many times in the past. So I guess all we can do for now is just be sensible about it (don't STUFF yourself with fats) and wait for more evidence.

-fender-

 

[Warboss Alex]

Simon has it spot on. There's no such thing as good fat and bad fat, all types of fat have their own benefits. The body NEEDS saturated fat, y'know. It protects vital organs, among other things.

Incidentally, just because pizza isn't bad for you in this sense, remember that it often mixes simple carbs with fats it does have a tendency to lay down adipose quite competently. But if you're working out properly and intensely and doing your cardio then I wouldn't worry.