POST DJ Boot Camp (The Ongoing Chronicles of Allan...)

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Post DJ Boot Camp (The Ongoing Chronicles of Allan...)

Week 1, Day 1 (Saturday):

I'm spending a weekend with my buddy (it's not fair to call him a wing since we've been friends for a couple of decades now) in a sleepy little town which he claims has a freaky bar scene despite being in the middle of nowhere. He claims for example, that he was there with a girlfriend a year or so ago, and had a chick come up to the bar, proceed to lean over and give him a handful of titty the entire time she was ordering. Who am I to turn down this invitation?

As I drive through this town to meet up with him, I am starting to have second thoughts as it is VERY quiet. When we check in however, our two bed room is extremely clean and spacious with a very high wood ceiling. Nice.

We grab a meal at a country themed restaurant and the portion sizes are beyond ridiculous. The leftovers I take home weighs at least five pounds, no exaggeration.


9 PM:

We arrive at the irish bar, and find it is pretty quiet inside. There's a DJ, and some loud hip hop blasting and a strobe light spinning but no one's dancing. I nurse a screwdriver and my buddy is pounding down some Bailey's. It's amazing but people filter in by the two's and three's and by 11:30 PM, the place is damm near packed. I'd say by the end of the night, about a half dozen or so "8's" have passed through the joint. My dress, is ahem, casual. I've got a pair of blue jeans on and a white t shirt. I'd brought a fairly nice ensemble of black t shirt and off white slacks and a kenneth cole shirt and jeans with some nice black dress shoes. My buddy reassures right before we head for the bar that this place is extremely casual however and that I definitely don't need to change (he's probably just in a rush to get over), so I figure 'eh, he must be right' and proceed in jeans and white t.

The scene at this bar is extremely eclectic to say the least. There's a heavy-set 55 year old lady with thinning hair getting her freak on with a 50-ish guy (husband?) right in the middle of the floor. There's a 25 year old girl wearing a giant full leg knee brace hopping around on the dance floor on crutches. By the time we leave at around 1:30 PM, there are three trannies on the dance floor in lingerie receiving dirty looks from the guys in baseball caps. There are a ton of 5/6's wearing their party best but still looking like 5's and 6's. And, last but not least, there's about a half dozen 8's or so who filter in and dance in the midst of this small town free for all.


11:30 PM:

After 11:30 PM, I see a tall '8' on the dance floor. She's about 5' 9", thin, with a pixie doll white face offset by thick wavy black hair. She's dancing with a girl who's almost as tall, but quite thick in the body who's about a '5'. I head out to the dance floor and get within a foot or so of them and start to dance. The '8' gives me a brieft dirty look and moves away two feet. I move closer, and the '8' moves off in the opposite direction and the '5' follows. Embarrassing. No dice. I observe other guys try later with this '8' and with some of the '7's' out on the dance floor. Invariably, the girls simply ignore and/or move away from the guys who attempt to dance with them. Strange. Then, I see the DJ himself attempt to dance with the '8'. He's a young kid, perhaps 22 or 23. He is absolutely uninhibited. He's wearing gigantic baggy pants, boots and wears his baseball cap to the side. All night long, he pulls his crotch right up to the girl's azzes and starts grinding away. He is completely uninhibited, and un-self-conscious (is that a word?). He tries it with the '8' I tried to dance with earlier. At first, he is not successful, as the '8' moves away (from his crotch) without looking at him. I see the DJ try again a second time, perhaps an hour later. Second time's a charm! The DJ starts spinning a record, jumps off the platform and lands boom! a couple feet from the '8'. He dances crotch first and engages the '8' without her moving away. Bingo. This DJ is successful in engaging a grind about half the time (the other half of the time, the girls simply move away a foot or two) and he attempts at least a half dozen times that night, with girls ranging from '6's' to '8's'.


12 MIDNIGHT:

I try out my verbal game. I see a Latina '6' on my left about 15 feet away. She's got a cute face, and is slightly soft in the mid section (not fat, but not model thin either--I asked my friend for a rating of her later and he gives her about a '6.5'). She's probably in her late 20's.

Me: "it got really crowded in here real quick, didn't it?"
Her: pauses a second. "Yeah...."

I'm slightly buzzed from my screwdriver and half a beer at this point so I can't fully recall the details of the fluff. I recall asking her if she's a local, and where she goes clubbing when she's in LA, blah blah blah. I'm relentless with the kino, putting my arm around her waist, and caressing her side, and rubbing her arm, playing with her hair, speaking into her hair, etc.

Her: ...you're touching me a lot, aren't you? (or something to that effect)

I am caressing her arm on the opposite side of me, but she holds her arm nearest me in between her chest and mine in a defensive posture.

After mentioning how obvious I am with the kino, she then proceeds to rub my chest with her hand, feeling each pec, then rubs and feels for the 'line' separating my pecs. Then she reaches down further and continues to press her hand against my shirt to feel for my stomach muscles. She stops just short of "paradise" and removes her hand at my beltline however.

I become a little disoriented at this point: I don't know how to proceed: she's clearly groping me, but her arm nearest me remains in a defensive posture. Perhaps I should have escalated by trying for a venue change or a kiss close or whatever, but her mixed body language has me confused. I'm just kind of at a loss for words at this point. I continue with some random fluffing. However, I also notice that I am getting very tired. I have had to yell in her ear, stand up (no stool), and try to plan and execute my next move with her on the fly, all at this very late hour of the night, and quite frankly I am getting winded. I fluff with her a bit more but then she excuses herself and her friend to go smoke a cigarette on the patio. They return five minutes later, this time to my side of the bar. At this point, I am thinking, 'damm I'm tired! Is it really worth it to talk to her?!' I don't talk to her again. Too tired. The spanish girl and her friend (a big boned girl who's slightly above average with a frizzy perm and party clothes) exit the bar.

I go report back to my friend:

Friend: 'where d'you go?
Me: I went over to the other side of the bar and talked to a girl.
Friend: 'I was talking to this girl earlier (he points her out to me--a 5.5 in party clothes).'
Me: Go over there, bro.
Friend: All in due time (he's got a smile; he'll never go over there and he probably never talked to her in the first place--he's extremely shy).
Me: Go over there, bro.
Friend (drunk off his azz). I'm drinkin'!

We repeat this a few times. There's no way he's going over there. I talk to a dude right next to my bud. He's about 5' 8" and very thin (no more than 130 lbs. soaking wet). We chat a bit and he tells me a bit about the 'scene' in this town and some nearby towns. He seems to know where all the hotspots are. I ask him if he sees any hot girls he likes. He points one out and I tell him he should approach. He asks me the same and I point out a 5'6" brunette '8'. I tell him to get out there. "You first!" he pushes me towards the '8'. What the hell. I get out there, and the skinny guy. I try the same thing as I tried earlier, getting to within a couple of feet of the '8'. She moves away, just as the first '8' did. I dance with a '5.5' and say hi. She says hi and doesn't go anywhere. The skinny guy says: "yeaaa! I'm out on the daance flooh!" with a british accent. I exit. The '8' wouldn't dance with me and the '5.5' is completely uninteresting to me.

To be continued...
 
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12:30 AM:

I chat up a '7' on the side of the bar nearest the exit. She's talking to a dorky looking guy in a blue flannel shirt but neither seems terribly interested in the conversation. The '7' is seated next to a '6' with freckles as well. Both girls are in their early twenties, thin and of average height. I introduce myself to the '7' and after we exchange names she immediately points out that she is with the guy in the flannel shirt who happens to be her fiance. She also points to the head of the '6' and introduces me to her, obviously trying to get me to engage the girl who's not engaged.

Girl Next Door 6: Did you say your name was Allan? I knew a guy in my summer program named Allan.
Me: Did he look like me?
Girl: I can't remember.
Me: Well he musta made quite an impression on you.
Girl: Well he was super nice and cool but he was really quiet.
This girl is reasonably cute but her whiny voice yelling in my ear is very grating. I'm looking for an excuse to exit. She tells me she's thinking about finding work in SF.
Me: You must like SF a lot.
Girl: Yea, plus I could live with my boyfriend, which might be nice.
Me: Yea, that would work out perfect. Hey, it was great talking to you. I better go find my friend. I take off after shaking her hand and wishing her luck.

I go find my friend. In the meantime, his 5.5 is walking out the door.
Me: There she goes.
Bud: Who?
Me: The girl you were talking to.
Bud: Are you sure? Did you see her leave?
Me: Yea, she just walked out the door. I saw her.
Bud: looks down.
Me: Don't worry, there are others.
Bud: When I see a girl I like, I really focus. He puts his two hands next to his eyes and pulls his hands forward, indicating tunnel vision.
Me: Yea but you didn't even talk to her.
Bud: Has an embarrassed smile on his face.

We agree to bail. It's 1:30 AM and my bud stumbles home. Or am I the one stumbling?

Lesson learned 1: my entire physiology and metabolism have changed now that I'm in my thirties. The gradual effects of joint damage, damage to my eardrums, and lowered metabolism and endurance, make it very difficult to play the night game. I just cannot physically keep up with a 22 yr. old horny male with (relatively) undamaged eardrums, healthy joints and post adolescent raging hormones and metabolism. I have to either work harder, rest more, or both.

Lesson learned 2: I rate about a '7' overall in appearance. In casual jeans and t shirt, I rate only about a '6'. As a baseline, the average American male is about 5' 9" and nearly 200 lbs (the average male is a '5' then). I'm considerably fitter than this. In gym apparel, I do a little better, since I can show off a little bit of my lean physique and muscular legs by wearing a tank top and shorts. I give myself a '7' in the gym. I can actually get occasional '8's' to stare at me in the gym. In order to rate an '8', I have to wear a suit, nice dress shirt and black dress shoes. Add a quarter point if I add a silk tie to my ensemble (and deduct the quarter point again due to self bias in the rating). Add it all up and divide by three: I'm (just) a '7.' Therefore, if I approach an '8' or an '8.5' in a club who's all gussied up, while I'm in casual jeans and a white t (and rate about a '6'), she's going to pass. I MUST get a better, flashier ensemble for the night and continue to work out in the gym. Also, I wear glasses during the night. Glasses are an absolute 'no-no' during the night game. Glasses symbolize rationality and maturity. The nightgame emphasizes youth, physicality and debauchery. Period. I need to ditch the specs, as I'm sure it detracts from my appearance.

Lesson learned 3: leave all inhibitions at the door. Grind, grind, grind with complete confidence and a fly wardrobe. Kino and escalate during a convo (only if she's interested and try not to grab immediately as I do, but shake her hand, escalate, and do some takeaways along the way).

Am I improving? I don't know.

Anyone have suggestions on improving? Anyone agree or disagree with my observations on the nightgame (especially for older guys)?
 

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Originally posted by allan976
Am I improving? I don't know.

Anyone have suggestions on improving? Anyone agree or disagree with my observations on the nightgame (especially for older guys)?
Sure you are improving.
Suggestions are simple:
a) always wear some decent clothes. I guess there is not need for something pricy: black shirt, white pants...or white shirt+black pants and sure good shoes.
b) if you are getting tired at least try somehting...why did you leave the latina? Switch a convo to drinks, suggest to try some cool ones at your place (even if you dont have anything) and try to get her out of the club. Just try - dont bail at teh point where she has some IL in you and you are "just tired". You certainly can improve it!
c) I find clubs a tough place in general - you gotta emulate energy and behaviour of 20 y.o. and what will you get? At beast - some dumb and sl*tty blondes. I am just thinking night clubs are not the best thing for older guys.
 

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great great great !

keep up the good work

might I suggest that you focus on
picking up whatever line / action a woman
throws a you

fx. a woman will touch you the way she want to be touched herself

so you can use that 2 ways;
either do it !

or when she massages your chest, bust her with it;
"i've heard that woman touch men the way they want men to touch them. is that correct ?"

and then hold her hips with both hands, letting your thumbs massage her tummy going upwards slowly ;-)

flow with her reaction !

/ scordate
 

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Agree with you 100% on the glasses. Based on my experience cool shades bump you up a point and glasses knock you down a couple. Probably one reason I do a lot better outdoors in the daytime.

And, overdress. When I go out in a suit, I get the most attention. Why not use every advantage?
 

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Interesting comments about clothes guys.

I'm always in business casual or something of the like which normally places me a little better dressed than most, but maybe not the most stylish.

Yesterday walking around in a tank top and shorts I noticed more attention than in dress clothes. I have been working out for over 10 years but am not a muscle freak on roids or anything.

Makes me wonder sometimes, **** you never know what to do.

The only reason I dressed so casually yesterday was just for comfort.
 

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Ever Onward had a brilliant idea for individuals who are post-Bootcamp who feel they've improved but still need a structured program. I've been doing random approaches whenever I have time, have a wing, or feel the mojo. Other times I flake, chicken out, make an excuse, whatever.

In the post bootcamp period, I suggest (mainly for myself but anyone else can follow along or suggest ideas) a "quota" of approaches or closes per day or per week.

The post bootcamp program should include the following:

a. a minimum number of approaches per week
b. a requirement of approaching whenever we see a target worthy of an approach
c. a semi-regular report (such as once a week or once every two weeks depending on what our schedules allow)
d. a commitment to constructive criticism of others who are out in the field regularly and who are posting seeking advice
e. a gentle but decisive kick in the rear to those who post but DONT get out in the field (ok, I can be talked out of this, but I get ever so slightly but noticeably ticked off by those with hundreds of posts but who still don't get out in the field and post FR's!

Structure is good, is it not? Suggestions welcome.
 

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'I'm Getting Too Old For This Shyt'

Post DJ Boot Camp (The Ongoing Chronicles of Allan...)

Week 2, Day 1 (Saturday):

Every weekend, I hear Playboy's admonition in my head ('there better be a field report...!). So, I head out. My game has been in the dumpster ever since I started up my full time job a month ago. I basically have not closed, with a number or kiss, ever since I started this position. In fact, my approaches have been few and far between this past month. More on that later. On to my uneventful field report (you have been warned!).


I. 11:45 PM:
I meet up with my wing at 11:45 PM or so. We wait in line more than forty five minutes before we get in. In the meantime, I try chatting up a couple of brazilian girls. One is a 5' 8" blonde (in heels) with a pretty face and an ok body in party clothes: jeans and some sort of brown silk print top; about a '7' overall, while her friend is a chubby '5' in a full bore party outfit. I try initiating some convo, asking how long they've been waiting and whether they'll go to another bar or not with this long line. No go. The blonde's arms remain folded and she looks off to the side rather than looking me in the eye. There are two below average girls behind me who are complaining loudly about the wait the entire time we are all standing in line.


II. 12:30 AM:
We get in the joint sometime after 12:30 AM. The bouncer is getting anxious as my wing and I stand at the front of the line, since patrons are anxious to enter and the fire marshal regulates/limits the body count inside the establishment. I look at my watch and that's enough to get the bouncer to apologize and shuffle nervously. Poor guy: he even explains to me that it's been outrageously crowded since about 9 PM or so due to some special graduation party.

Once we're inside, it's extremely crowded. A ton of girls. Unfortunately, 90-95% are in the 5-7 range. There's perhaps two or three 8's in the entire joint, and I'm afraid to approach them. Strategy 1: I want to hang out around the bar, remain stationary, and force the girls to hang all over me to get to the bar. My wing wants to meander and check out the lay of the land. There's an '8' blonde on my right. Immediately, a male on the opposing side of the bar points her out to the bartender and orders her a drink. The bartender gives her the drink, and the '8' opens her mouth in surprise. The bartender points to the guy who ordered it, and she nods slowly, knowingly, acknowledging his opening move. He waves his hands about as if he's directing a plane takeoff. Within a minute, he's made his way over and gets up in her grill and chats her up.

My wing and I wander around, and it's slow going--it's very crowded. I've ordered a screwdriver and begin sipping. Within five minutes, the room is spinning. I've lost my motor coordination and can't walk or talk correctly.

After about fifteen minutes, my wing points out a group of three Asian girls in their early twenties. Within a second, two Asian guys are chatting them up. Within a couple of minutes, they've initiated kino. I tell my wing we can wait for these guys to finish up while we continue to wander looking for targets. I'm having a tough time walking, so I basically know at this point that I have to remain until closing (1:30 AM) just so I can sober up to the point where I can drive. My approaches are likely to be very lame however, due to my impaired state.


III. 1 AM:
We drift back to the pool area where the three Asian girls remain standing, sans the two Asian guys. Hey, 'D!' I call out to my wing. I motion him over, letting him know the Asian girls are unoccupied. I motion him over to talk to the girls. I get anxious. What should I say? I ask him. He says he'll try with an opinion opener about tattoos. He moves ahead of me. Then HE stops! 'I'm getting approach anxiety big-time, dude.' I tell him not to worry about it. He talks to the prettiest of the three (a 6.5 or 7). He starts with a conversation opener getting her opinion on tattoos. He exits within a minute. I try opening by talking to the 6.5/7. I ask whether they've been here before and whether they like it here. The 6.5/7 appears uninterested. I talk to her friend. I can't quite remember what the friend looks like. I know she was Asian, in her early twenties and probably a 6 or so. I can't remember what her face looks like exactly however. I fluff for about two minutes, lose interest, then eject.


IV. 1:20 AM: CLOSING TIME:
My wing and I wander around a bit more. There are a number of pretty girls with pretty faces and very, very wide hips wandering around everywhere. Each time, I look at the face and want to approach, then see the super wide hips and decide not to. This happens over and over and over during our forty five minutes there. It's now 1:20 AM. My buddy wants to split. I see a group of three girls. One girl is about 5 7" in heels, with a nice tan, cute face and smile and a slightly soft body. I want to talk to her, but won't approach until at least one leaves. The tan '7.5' looks my way once. I want to approach. Then, the bouncer starts screaming over the intercom that the place is now closed. Oh well. 'Man, I was not feeling it tonight,' my wing says with a smile. I feel exactly the same way. My wing and I grab some grub at a late night diner.


V. CONCLUSION:

Lesson learned 1: 'D' is the coolest of the three wings I've hung out with in recent weeks. He's a very laidback guy who does a great job putting other people at ease. He's easy to hang out with and I would be proud to call him a friend. The odd thing is, he's committed to the night game which demands, especially in Los Angeles, a very high energy, over the top personality, while D conversely is a laidback, casual, and relatively quiet guy. He does have potential since he's young and has a good fashion sense, and is sensitive/aware of how others perceive/vibe with him. However, he's not doing as well as he should since he completely foregoes kino, doesn't smile enough or make enough direct eye contact with his targets, and doesn't project his energy/personality enough (also, and I'm sure he's not aware of this, but he has a tendency to lower his head or slouch his head whenever he opens a convo with a girl, suggesting a submissive posture, a stance which is subtle but unmistakeable). He's got plenty of time though so I predict he'll be all right in the long run.

At the diner, we're both ready to cry 'uncle.' D wants to try the day game, but feels anxious about it since he feels everybody will be watching him. I assure him this will not be the case. I tell him that while the HB's are dispersed throughout the city during the day, I note that they will be alone, be caught off guard, and in my experience, uniformly friendly for his daytime approaches.

Lesson learned 2: Me. I have lost all momentum ever since I started my full time job. I'm up early, 5:30 AM or so, every day. I have to entertain and speak four and a half hours a day five days a week and it is very draining. My job, which I love, coincides with the following: dry, red eyes; a constant desire to sleep once my workday is through; and a tired, slouching body language off the job. My confidence, playfulness and energy are gone. Just a few days before the new job, I kiss closed (or, rather a HB7.5 kiss closed me) at a cafe and I managed to get the girl's address unsolicited. My confidence was soaring and I had momentum that was palpable. 'But...' as the Stones once said, '...it's all over now,' lol.

Lesson learned 3: the night game will require the following: a new wardrobe. I may very well need platforms. The girls are all wearing heels and are now uniformly either my height or an inch or two taller. This makes it intimidating for me to approach them. Glasses are a no-no. Also, I am very wary of advice which advocates a subtle, conversation based approach in these settings. It's very, very loud, the bytch shields are up, girlfriends/c*ckblockers are out in force, and the rest of the guys are drunk/aggressive/loud and keen on closing since like me they are all working stiffs and likely lack energy or cajones to approach during the day. In other words, kino is expected and necessary, although I have to apply enough to arouse but not enough to put the girl on the defensive. I'd prefer to err on the side of the former, not the latter, to be sure.

In conclusion, it may very well take a few months before I can excel at the night game, if it ever happens. I'm very discouraged right now. My day game has evaporated, and my night game will require months of remedial work. Wish me luck!

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PS: If any of you ever hit the main entertainment strip in LA, and hit up the main, known pickup spots (the western themed restaurant/bar and lounge/bar I referred to last time), my wing 'D' informed me that professional PUA's and their students swarm those places on weekends. The '8's' and '9's' are likely to hear (more or less) exactly the same line over and over again over the course of the weekend as the PUA's and aspiring PUA's hit on girls with the same stock lines.

My wing tried one of these stock opinion openers with the Asian girls: he asked for their opinion about tattoos.
 
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SERIOUS CRISIS

I am currently in a state of crisis. To put it simply, I feel like I had never gone through bootcamp in the first place. To summarize, I went through a full seven weeks of bootcamp, and by the end of that period, I felt like I had fantastic momentum and confidence, resulting in several 'close calls' with three potential fyck closes which I managed to all flub somehow.

THEN, the job. This job was a sort of bootcamp in its own right and it effectively killed my 'chi' as far as cold approaches were concerned. Now, the job is winding down for the summer, but now I'm left in a strange state:

a. on the one hand, the few approaches I've tried during the past five weeks have been highly awkward and I find myself slightly bitter at women given how badly my approaches, especially at night, have gone. I've groped, encountered multiple bytch shields, and once shocked myself when I saw myself in the mirror at a bar and saw my back hunched over and head sagging like a an old man due to a lack of energy. In summary, I had zero expectations and surprised myself when I first started bootcamp but now my head is filled with negative thoughts and anxiety.

b. on the other hand, the thought of starting a second bootcamp bores the hell out of me. I want to get started with approaches right away, but I clearly need the practice with convo's so my openers sound natural again.

Basically, I want to start approaching again, but unlike my first trip through bootcamp when my mind was clear and I was optimistic, I am now ironically anxious to get started yet bitter at women and disappointed with myself given how badly my approaches have gone recently.

My tentative plan is as follows:

1. read a new literature. This time, I'm going through info available on bristollair.com. I've read some of this info before and and am really, really skeptical of all of the scripts and routines, but I need a 'fresh angle' on cold approaches since I've read so much of what's available here on sosuave.

2. I am seriously considering taking a dating seminar. A recent wing recommended one in particular (was it RSD?).

In other words, it's like training your muscles by going through a different routine so your muscles grow: at some point, you max out by going through the same routine over and over again.

On the plus side, my energy is returning, I am getting anxious to return to the field, but I need to clear my mind of negative thoughts and get a fresh angle or school of thought concerning approaches. I'll post an op-ed on the value of wings shortly also. Good luck to all of you, wherever you are in your path of development.

Allan
 
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TO WING OR NOT TO WING?

For those of you who go to clubs and bars alone to approach, I really think you have the right idea. When you're in a noisy, crowded bar or club on a weekend night and cold approaching, none of the girls are going to ask you 'where's your friend?' or 'are you here alone?' so there's no point in worrying about going out on your own whatsoever.

In fact, it's often a disadvantage to go with a wing since you often feel you have to keep your buddy entertained, or motivated, or accompanied, regardless of how you well you are doing on your own. They can often serve as a crutch or distraction. However, if you have approached girls and the conversation is obviously going well, it can be invaluable to have a wing there to occupy the average looking or ugly girl who's accompanied the HB you've targeted. However, in those situations wouldn't it be possible simply to befriend someone who is also there approaching women or scoping out women and simply letting them know you'll wing for them if they do the same for you?

I found when I've gone to a nightclub or nightspot to meet up with a wing, and can't find the wing I'm supposed to meet up with, I find I'm 'in tune' with women who are giving me eye contact or other signs of interest. When I'm with a wing, I'm not as observant of women, as my energy and focus tends to be drawn to the wing, rather than on potential targets. Once I become comfortable enough, I think going out on my own to nightspots is the way to go. It's not that I can't find a wing, it's that I thought it was completely inappropriate to go out on my own anymore. I thought I would be pointed out and laughed at for being on my own. People could care less. Hell, when it's loud, noisy, crowded in a huge venue, no girl would ever know the difference anyway.

Peace,

Allan
 

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Phone Game Questions

I'm working on my phone game now. I made a couple of calls yesterday.

Phone Game 1 (Annie)
Tuesday 1 PM:

Her: Hello?
Me: Is Anni there?
Her: This is she.
Me: It's Allan.
Her: Heeey! Allan.
Me: What are you up to?
Her: blah blah blah
Me: Hey, I want to see you tonight.
Her: Here, she raises a slew of objections such as "I don't go out with people I just met in a grocery store.' 'My life is already pretty busy.' 'In general, I don't go out with people I just met in a grocery store.'

I try to counter her objections by saying 'what are you worried about, I'm a nice guy' and 'we can get to know each other over a drink.'

I end by saying that I'll try to call her again sometime, you can think about it.'

She says ok and I hang up.

Question: she sounds very happy to hear from me when I call, but then seems to have a whole host of objections when I try to close for the date.

First, did I not spend enough time talking to her and building rapport when I number closed her? I did number close in about two minutes or so and we did not talk for very long at all obviously.

Second, I probably haven't called her in about three or four weeks. Does she take this to mean that I was not very interested and was blowing her off until now?

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Phone Game 2 (Anisetta)
Tuesday 1:15 PM:

I leave a message saying I want to see her tonight. I leave my number and I did not block my number either.

Shark says not to block your number or be afraid to leave a message, so what the hell, that's what I did. I guess I fycked up by waiting so long to call these girls, but then again perhaps I could have fycked up even worse by waiting even longer. How do I improve my overall game and especially my phone game?
 

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Re: Phone Game Questions

Originally posted by allan976

Her: Hello?
Me: Is Anni there?
Her: This is she.
Me: It's Allan.
Her: Heeey! Allan.
Me: What are you up to?
Her: blah blah blah
Me: Hey, I want to see you tonight.
Her: Here, she raises a slew of objections such as "I don't go out with people I just met in a grocery store.' 'My life is already pretty busy.' 'In general, I don't go out with people I just met in a grocery store.'

1. Question: she sounds very happy to hear from me when I call, but then seems to have a whole host of objections when I try to close for the date.

2. First, did I not spend enough time talking to her and building rapport when I number closed her? I did number close in about two minutes .... haven't called her in about three or four weeks. Does she take this to mean that I was not very interested and was blowing her off until now?

3. How do I improve my overall game and especially my phone game?
I think you are right in your conclusions.
1. To me, 99% of people sound extremely happy in first a couple of second. Thats a usualy social mask. Howmany time you experienced this: "Hi! (smile as if sheis happy, in fact she may not be at all) How are you doing? (as if she give a fvck)....". We all know what is going to happen: she will not say a word and will continue her way. Conclusion: it doesn't matter how she sounds. What matter is what she does.

2. Right. Imagine her situation: a guy got her humber in two minutes...then he called after 3-4 weeks and immediately ask her out? she may not even remember who you are... thats probably why she sounded happy - you told her who you were. She simply is scared... moreover if you didn't call her in 3.5 weeks.. she think what the heck he has been doing all this time? bangin other chicks? Now is my turn? Nooooo!!! This is very typical of how females think.

3. Thats seem obvious from what you said:
a) call her fairly soon from you "snatch" her number. The recommended time to wait is not in terms of week... just a couple of days.
b) I would try to call her a couple of times without leaves a message. Maybe like this: call once at say 10pm (good chances she is not very busy and can pick up the phone). Call after 1 day at the same time and leave a message.
If you block your number, you may call her in different times, 3 times. If it doesn't work, unblock you number and leaves her a message. Som persistence wont hurt.
c) After "what are you up to?" be ready to come up with what YOU actually have been up too, but make it sound appealing:
been visiting the largest library in the state, read a book by a guy who claims he knows 25 languages, tried the best drink in the state that won award ZZZZ on YYYY, planning to go visit the fastest rollercoaster... you got the idea.
Make it sound interesting, even if it if a dull fact like you went to the library.
After that go for some convo: library topic: ask her if she likes to read while enjoying the sea at the beach...or is she a sports fan and play can't stand books covered in sand and play volleball there?
I.e. inquire something related to what you have been up to in not a very usualy way. Make it sound at least unusual, i.e. stand out.
She will probably give you some cues for a convo: tag along with it, talk about her topic... do not pursue much your initial "libraries" or "best drink" thing. She loves to talk about herself and she probably will tell you somehting.

Basically you just have to come up with initial phone opener, that is not very short and sound interestingly unusual and a question to her about it. Prepare it befor eyou make a call.

The rest is obvious: chat a bit on the phone...if you talk to her only 2 min before, I see nothing worn with talking to her 20-30 minutes. After that it is good to ask her out.
But dont ask her for tonight!!! never! Many women hate that... they think your gf bail on you and you call them not because you are interested but cuz your date is cancelled... They want you to make plans: at least a day after. Go for "What are youd doing on Tuesday or Thrusday?" dont wait for her reply "Lets get together and do... drink... eat... walk...".

Hope this long rant helps a bit.
 
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