The Bartender
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Just figured we need this thread since the "Heat" one is still going...
Again, Pistons in 5
Again, Pistons in 5
Pistons vs. Spurs
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It's the Spurs running game againts the Piston's defence. The running game will prevail, Miami was slow. Detroit is unprepared, I would very much like to see the Pistons make it two in a row, however that is not going to happen.
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MindOverMatter
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Both teams have wicked defenses and teamwork.
however, pistons (and rasheed) tend to be inconsistent, have a weaker bench, and spurs offense is a lot harder to defend properly. pistons tend to give up games and slack off sometimes like they did vs pacers and heat. you can't do this vs spurs, even if you have 3 games in a row at home.
they will probably put rasheed on duncan instead of ben wallace, because rasheed's arm reach has been known to stop duncan in the past. I have no idea who will cover Ginobili. If they put Hamilton on him, this + the back Bowen is guarding Hamilton will wear Rip out. Ben will probably cover Mohammed.
I expect Hamilton's scoring to drop a lot in this series, as did Ray Allen's and Shawn Marions during Sonics/Phoenix series. Bowen is a machine.
If you look at the Pacers series, Jamaal Tinsley was able to penetrate Pistons defense and score at will. Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are the same way, only they are much much more consistent. Spurs guards are much much better in transition then Detroit.
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however, pistons (and rasheed) tend to be inconsistent, have a weaker bench, and spurs offense is a lot harder to defend properly. pistons tend to give up games and slack off sometimes like they did vs pacers and heat. you can't do this vs spurs, even if you have 3 games in a row at home.
they will probably put rasheed on duncan instead of ben wallace, because rasheed's arm reach has been known to stop duncan in the past. I have no idea who will cover Ginobili. If they put Hamilton on him, this + the back Bowen is guarding Hamilton will wear Rip out. Ben will probably cover Mohammed.
I expect Hamilton's scoring to drop a lot in this series, as did Ray Allen's and Shawn Marions during Sonics/Phoenix series. Bowen is a machine.
If you look at the Pacers series, Jamaal Tinsley was able to penetrate Pistons defense and score at will. Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are the same way, only they are much much more consistent. Spurs guards are much much better in transition then Detroit.
Spurs in 6
The Bartender
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I honestly havent watched the spurs play at all this season or postseason. I'll have to wait until after the Pistons win tonight to tear their team apart.
Bonhomme
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Spurs look better on paper
I was going to type that I expect the Spurs to win in 6, but my typing finger froze.
The Spurs look better on paper, but the Pistons have that "X factor," and seem to have a sort of "overdrive gear" they shift into when they really need it.
Fact is, I don't know what the hell to expect. These teams have hardly met at all.
What looks like the keys are how Sheed on D matches up with Duncan on O, how well the Spurs can penetrate, and the extent to which the Pistons defense can take the inconsistent Parker out of the game, if at all.
If I was given money to bet on the series or forfeit, I'd take the Pistons in 7.
I was going to type that I expect the Spurs to win in 6, but my typing finger froze.
The Spurs look better on paper, but the Pistons have that "X factor," and seem to have a sort of "overdrive gear" they shift into when they really need it.
Fact is, I don't know what the hell to expect. These teams have hardly met at all.
What looks like the keys are how Sheed on D matches up with Duncan on O, how well the Spurs can penetrate, and the extent to which the Pistons defense can take the inconsistent Parker out of the game, if at all.
If I was given money to bet on the series or forfeit, I'd take the Pistons in 7.
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game 1 over, some thoughts:
- just as I thought, Parker and Ginobili easily penetrated Pistons D, just like Jamaal Tinsley did during the Pacers series.
- Hamilton's scoring went way down just like I predicted. Bruce Bowen is the man!
- was a typical Spurs game. They kept their head above the water for 3 periods, then exploded in the 4th. They play best bball when it matters the most.
Awesome game, was just what I expected, can't wait to see the next one.
- just as I thought, Parker and Ginobili easily penetrated Pistons D, just like Jamaal Tinsley did during the Pacers series.
- Hamilton's scoring went way down just like I predicted. Bruce Bowen is the man!
- was a typical Spurs game. They kept their head above the water for 3 periods, then exploded in the 4th. They play best bball when it matters the most.
Awesome game, was just what I expected, can't wait to see the next one.
The Wallace boys can't stop Duncan.
Manu and Tony don't seattle for jump shots they take the ball to the hoop. Big problem for the pistons.
Nazi played pretty good. The pistons need to shut him down, they can't have him and duncan playing well.
A big X factor for the pistons is Prince. Nobody really can guard him from the spurs, and he can get to the basket at will. Next game they need to go to him more.
You can tell the Spurs have more skill. That's why they are going to win it all.
I bet my mod job the spurs will win it all.
Manu and Tony don't seattle for jump shots they take the ball to the hoop. Big problem for the pistons.
Nazi played pretty good. The pistons need to shut him down, they can't have him and duncan playing well.
A big X factor for the pistons is Prince. Nobody really can guard him from the spurs, and he can get to the basket at will. Next game they need to go to him more.
You can tell the Spurs have more skill. That's why they are going to win it all.
I bet my mod job the spurs will win it all.
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I disagree. Hamilton may not have the flash of players like Wade, Stoudemire, Allen etc, but he is a really really hard guy to defend. Much like the young Reggie Miller, or young Michael Jordan, this guy runs A LOT, and is hard to cover.
Often teams switch guys that guard him, because the players get exhausted chasing after him. Once those guys start running out of steam and can't keep up, he starts to unload points. One of my fav players to watch.
Bonhomme
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You guys missed the big one
The most important factor in the game was larry Brown's dumb ass fouling out of Sheed and Prince when the Pistons were ahead, and Sheed was scoring.
They came back ice cold. Brown just handed the game to the Spurs.
The Wallace boys hardly played Duncan. Sheed sat out about half the game. His +/- was about even. The subs couldn't handle Duncan. The subs played awful. Bill Walton was pointing this out.
Brown blew game 2 and threw away game 5 of the Heat series the very same way. He really needs to drop this fouling out of his own players. It's very much like assuring rejection by not approaching a gal who gives you "buying signals."
If Brown continues this dumb ass foul strategy, I don't see the Pistons winning even one game at San Antonio.
Spurs in 5, easily, unless Brown keeps Sheed in the game, except when he needs rest, regardless of how many fouls he has.
The Spurs, on the other hand, after shaking off the rust from too easy a series against the Suns, played excellent ball overall. Ginobili was unstoppable once he got going, very fast, and very clever to draw fouls by lunging into the Piston defenders and drawing back (which would be offensive fouls if called correctly, but he got the calls, being at home). Those couple or three calls shouldn't have made the difference, but bad or questionable calls do psyche the Pistons out.
A very frustrating game for a Pistons fan to watch... let 'em play, Larry, let 'em play!
The most important factor in the game was larry Brown's dumb ass fouling out of Sheed and Prince when the Pistons were ahead, and Sheed was scoring.
They came back ice cold. Brown just handed the game to the Spurs.
The Wallace boys hardly played Duncan. Sheed sat out about half the game. His +/- was about even. The subs couldn't handle Duncan. The subs played awful. Bill Walton was pointing this out.
Brown blew game 2 and threw away game 5 of the Heat series the very same way. He really needs to drop this fouling out of his own players. It's very much like assuring rejection by not approaching a gal who gives you "buying signals."
If Brown continues this dumb ass foul strategy, I don't see the Pistons winning even one game at San Antonio.
Spurs in 5, easily, unless Brown keeps Sheed in the game, except when he needs rest, regardless of how many fouls he has.
The Spurs, on the other hand, after shaking off the rust from too easy a series against the Suns, played excellent ball overall.
Ginobili was unstoppable once he got going, very fast, and very clever to draw fouls by lunging into the Piston defenders and drawing back (which would be offensive fouls if called correctly, but he got the calls, being at home). Those couple or three calls shouldn't have made the difference, but bad or questionable calls do psyche the Pistons out.A very frustrating game for a Pistons fan to watch... let 'em play, Larry, let 'em play!
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Re: You guys missed the big one
I agree with you on Spurs in 5. I wasn't sure how they would hold up to the Piston's defense until last night, but after watching that game it's easy to see that they can still pull of their standard routine. They let the pistons have a bit of a lead early on, making them overconfident, then they tired them out with their passing and defense, and finally blew through them and scored enough to put the game away.
Ginobli is such a tricky little devil, it's funny to watch him get calls like that so often.
I agree with you on Spurs in 5. I wasn't sure how they would hold up to the Piston's defense until last night, but after watching that game it's easy to see that they can still pull of their standard routine. They let the pistons have a bit of a lead early on, making them overconfident, then they tired them out with their passing and defense, and finally blew through them and scored enough to put the game away.
Bonhomme
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I still find it amazing
I still fiond it amazing that almost everyone is ignoring Brown's strategic mistakes. Like he's some kind of god, or something.
Sheed eneded the game with 4 fouls. He had 2 fouls to give, and sat half the game out while Duncan steamrollered his replacements.
Brown has a serious mental block there. If Joe D doesn't tell him to cut this crap out, they'll lose the series at home.
I still fiond it amazing that almost everyone is ignoring Brown's strategic mistakes. Like he's some kind of god, or something.
Sheed eneded the game with 4 fouls. He had 2 fouls to give, and sat half the game out while Duncan steamrollered his replacements.
Brown has a serious mental block there. If Joe D doesn't tell him to cut this crap out, they'll lose the series at home.
The Bartender
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Game 2 Prediction - Wallace and Wallace will play Ginobli hard when he drives. They kinda played the "pass" option when he was going to the hoop and well...he didnt pass it.
The Pistons recover well. Rare that they'd drop two in a row on the same stupid mistakes. The frustration of playing bad and knowing why they got beat is going to help them in game two.
The Pistons recover well. Rare that they'd drop two in a row on the same stupid mistakes. The frustration of playing bad and knowing why they got beat is going to help them in game two.
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if they put both wallaces on ginibili, duncan and parker will be scoring buckets worth of points. you can't take rasheed off duncan. the 2 on 1 defense doesnt work well on a team that has a multitude of people who can score. you cant play vs spurs the way u play vs heat or the old lakers.
and the fact hamilton is getting shut down doesn't help
and the fact hamilton is getting shut down doesn't help
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Wow, Pistons fell apart in game 2. Their whole team oriented ballplay went to sh!t, and you saw each of their players try to individually carry the game. What a waste.
Spurs on the other hand played their hearts out. Amazing steals by Horry and Ginobili. Bowen kept Hamilton down in points as usual, and Detroit defense couldn't stop Ginobili as usual.
I stand by my prediction. Detroit will win 2/3 games at home, and Spurs will take it at the end of game 6.
Spurs on the other hand played their hearts out. Amazing steals by Horry and Ginobili. Bowen kept Hamilton down in points as usual, and Detroit defense couldn't stop Ginobili as usual.
I stand by my prediction. Detroit will win 2/3 games at home, and Spurs will take it at the end of game 6.
