Perfect body weight to maximize DJ efforts.

[guru1000]

Clearly they are not, or else there would be as male strip clubs out there as female strip clubs. Male porn stars would earn as much as female porn stars. Advertisers would use as many scantily clad male models as they use scantily clad female models. And on down the line.

The stigma of society chastises women for acting on their desires. What would you label a woman who frequents strip clubs? A wh*re, a sl*t. Social conventions dictate that women must wear a "white" wedding dress? Why? Women are the image of "innocence," and "purity." And so the ASD originated.

When you strip the veneer off social conventions, and have been with hundreds of women, you realize they are extremely physically motivated, and in some cases, their sex drives and cravings for "perfect" physicality exceed their mans'.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Clearly they are not, or else there would be as male strip clubs out there as female strip clubs. Male porn stars would earn as much as female porn stars. Advertisers would use as many scantily clad male models as they use scantily clad female models. And on down the line.

Women don't need male strip clubs because they have men coming at them for free. Their strip club is all around them in the world!

I used to think women weren't as visual as males. After my experience I come to believe they are MORE visual than males, more shallow and more competitive.

If you can be one of the guys they want to screw, others will pile on wanting to screw him too.

My goal is to be one of those guys. No I WILL be one of those guys.

 

[Bible_Belt]

What I've read is that the answer to your question, the ideal physique, will tend to vary directly to a woman's socioeconomic status. The less money a woman or her family has, then the more likely it is that she will be attracted to a very muscular physique.

 

[Skyline]

I used to think women weren't as visual as males. After my experience I come to believe they are MORE visual than males, more shallow and more competitive.

If you can be one of the guys they want to screw, others will pile on wanting to screw him too.

My goal is to be one of those guys. No I WILL be one of those guys.

Well women are a different type of shallow compared to men. Men are obviously heavily physically based. Meaning, smooth skin, pretty face, nice hair, fit body, a nice rack, an *ss, all of that stuff. We don't really care about the stuff that women care about when it comes to looks.

But here's the female variation: dress nice, confident walk and posture, tone of voice, takes proper hygiene routes, head held up, works out to maintain a healthy BMI, and that's about it.

Notice how BOTH expectations are easily attainable. Both genders are shallow in their own ways but it doesn't mean it isn't hard to get to the point of being attractive. Working out is pretty much universal as well. Which is one of the reasons on why I'm against pro fat life style, but that's a different story.

What I've read is that the answer to your question, the ideal physique, will tend to vary directly to a woman's socioeconomic status. The less money a woman or her family has, then the more likely it is that she will be attracted to a very muscular physique.

That's an interesting input... I wouldn't mind you elaborating a bit more on that.

 

[guru1000]

I don't know about that BB. I've dated a great number of women from affluent families, and as long as you are educated and driven, their carnal desires for a tight physique are the same. Muscle is often confused with "musclehead" or "meathead" or "street thug" or uneducated--thus associated with the lower socioeconomic disposition. While this is prevalent among most gym rats, not all "muscle heads" fit this description.

Last I checked to whom did Schwarzenegger marry?

 

[zekko]

I used to think women weren't as visual as males. After my experience I come to believe they are MORE visual than males, more shallow and more competitive.

If you can be one of the guys they want to screw, others will pile on wanting to screw him too.

You're referring to preselection, the phenomenon where women will want to bang you because other women value you. Just the fact that you are pointing that out shows that women are attracted to men based on a more complex formula than merely being visual. I agree women are visual. I do NOT agree that women are AS visual as men, nor can I see how they ever could be. There are too many qualities women can potentially find attractive in men, compared to what men find attractive in women. Just do the math.

Also, you guys are strictly talking about physique. There are other factors at play regarding how men look aside from physique: Hairstyle, dress, face, skin quality, height, frame, teeth, facial hair. Do the ears stick out like Dumbo? Do you wear glasses? This is why different guys will experience different types of results from improving their physique.

2.5 points of SMV is a lot. If you are a 7 to begin with, that would make you a 9.5. I have never even SEEN a woman I would give a 9.5 to. I would think maybe one point difference in SMV would be more realistic. Now if you're starting out as fat, maybe a jump from a 5 to a 7.5 might be more reasonable, depending on your basic genetics and look.

 

[guru1000]

Espi, I think you mentioned this in another thread of yours. Actually relevant to this thread as well. The telltale sign of aging is losing bone and fatty deposits in our faces.

Not directed to you Espi, but to the group: When you are over 35 and you drop down to a low bf%, your face might look overly-emaciated, and you would have extremely little fat left on your face as well as a greater atrophied bone structure on the head, in the temple, forehead, and jaw regions--spawn by aging. Thus, for most, at bf levels less than 12% over the age of 35, your body will look great, but your face may appear slightly "aged." So, its a trade-off.

The good news is that this can be easily corrected with one or two sessions of Sculptra at a board-certified dermatologist not to exceed $1,500. Look at Sylvester Stallone's face at almost 70 yos at a bf level around 7%, as compared to this guy in his 50s. Despite the age difference, who looks healthier and less "aged"? It's all Scupltra.

This is not to be construed for my recommending Scupltra to anyone. But, this is a thread about attraction, so my point was put forward.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Yeah preferrred body size is real! One of my female friends got heavy over the.years.... So in the last couple months she been stripping it down.... Now shes like within 20% of my oreferred body size and u want to pound her hard!


As a male when you are her preferred sexy physical type she will want to suck your c0ck just because or even court you!

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Had a good workout. Weigh about 248 shooting for super strong 225.

7 mins elliptical warmup
10 sets alternating laying leg flutter 60 sec and 30 leg raises
Lat pull 165x20,220x20,300x12,345x7,345x5
Bent row 135x20,225x20,315x6,365x6,365x6
Db curl 65x15,75x10,85x10,95x6,105x3
Rear delts db 45x15,55x12,65x10,75x6
High pulley row 160x20,220x15,250x15,250x15
Reverse curls 100x15,145x12,165x8,165,6
30 mins elliptical cardio 180 strokes per min

Goal is super tite 225 with same strength, want panties to moisten and submit

 

[synergy1]

It sucks, I've stopped putting *as much* effort into working out due to shifting my goals in life, and putting more time into business ideas. Right now I am 5'11" and about 190-195 lbs. Less of a body builder look, more athletic overall. That said, I've improved my diet a bit and its helping keep me kind of lean ( no where near some of the insanely low bodyfat numbers you guys have posted), and sufficiently good looking enough to approach women.

Some had mentioned how women aren't as visual as men. This is true, but if you are the right type, you really don't have to do much to get them to want to **** you. Its the classic looks debate which I am uninterested in starting here...but for myself, I keep my looks up and it helps.

Lets also not forget women have certain types. Some women dig my particular type, and I am not sure that a few inches, or a few lbs would change that. Do not underestimate being a womens type. However, one can help this aspect along to the point where the women will be powerless and *have* to approach you!

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Try facial exercises to

 

[zekko]

That said, I've improved my diet a bit and its helping keep me kind of lean

Diet is huge, especially as you get older.

Some had mentioned how women aren't as visual as men. This is true, but if you are the right type, you really don't have to do much to get them to want to **** you!

I agree with this entirely. Women essentially have one way to attract a guy, and that's with their looks.

Men, on the other hand, have a large palette of things they can attract with. They can attract with their looks, their muscles, their dominance, their toughness, their motorcycles, their attitude, their charisma, their status, their career, their wealth, their fame, by being fun, by having lots of friends, etc. For the most part, men don't care if women have any of those things (outside of looks), when it comes to attraction.

That's why I say women could NEVER be as visual as men. It's mathematically impossible. Because men are nearly 100% visual, and for women, looks are just one possible piece of a pie.

Which is not to say that a guy can't attract a woman just with his body, I'm sure he can. But in guru's case at least, I know he has more than that going for him.