Perfect body weight to maximize DJ efforts.

[TheMonkeyKing]

At 5'10", I noticed that when I get below 190, I don't like the way I look. I start to look too scrawny and bony. Maybe it's just the way my frame is, but that's not too far off from that Steve Reeves list.

This is a good point.

Different bodies/compositions behave differently. It's worth noting that skeletal density can be quite variable, especially between racial groups - some are literally 'big-boned'!. This table demos variance between black and white, a matter of 10-20 pounds in some cases: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1392/T2.expansion.html

At 6'2, I'm currently 195lbs and feel properly out of shape (small pot belly and scrawny). Obviously I'm big boned! Think I really need to get up to a good 220 to feel good and strong. Body image counts for a lot, though I agree that BMI is a pretty useless measure.

 

[KingBeef]

Interesting thread. Damn, there are some tall fvckers posting in this thread, especially on page one. I'm just happy I'm at least average height, but I've noticed that when women get together and talk about which guys they find really good looking, they're usually tall. Which is not to say they think all tall guys are good looking, but the ones that they do find good looking are usually tall.

At 5'10", I noticed that when I get below 190, I don't like the way I look. I start to look too scrawny and bony. Maybe it's just the way my frame is, but that's not too far off from that Steve Reeves list.

This is a pretty good thread. The way I always looked at the BMI (now and before in my personal training days) was just a GENERAL SCALE FOR A SEDENTARY POPULATION Nothing more. Muscle is denser that fat and its flaw is it doesn't take that into the equation. A 5'8" guy with a nice muscular physique 190 13%bf looks very good compared in contrast to the same guy at 165-170lbs with 18-20bf% with no muscular definition. The first guy is going to turn female heads everywhere he goes but according to the BMI he's considered 25lbs overweight and the second guy is "within the normal parameters." :crazy: Call me fat... :crackup:

On the subject at hand, it really all depends on what the individual wants and how he would look like "at his best". Most people can't tell the difference between a guy who's muscularly defined if he dropped 15-25lbs of excess weight. I'm thinking of cutting down to from 190 to 165, bf 13% to single digits just for the hell of it. My only concern is how will I look like with a completely chiseled face. I've heard that past age 35 the facial fat actually helps in preventing wrinkles. Interesting topics to say the least...

 

[KingBeef]

This is coming from the mouth of your average height 5'8" guy who has before worked his arse off to the bone few years back and had tail "magically" come his way. As long as you have at least average height, have a solid body and "look" down pact (barring some physical/weird deformity or issue which you can fix ) you can compete with tall men in the dating pool...

I cringe when I hear tall guys complain that they can't attract. What a waste. Or the typical " I work out a lot but nothing is changing". A true "intense" workout should have you sweating buckets and have you sore the next day, it shouldn't be easy and mundane...

Sorry if I digressed off topic but it really gets to me when people don't see their true potential and don't put in the necessary "hard, hard work" it takes to make their "dream" into reality.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

This is coming from the mouth of your average height 5'8" guy who has before worked his arse off to the bone few years back and had tail "magically" come his way. As long as you have at least average height, have a solid body and "look" down pact (barring some physical/weird deformity or issue which you can fix ) you can compete with tall men in the dating pool...

I cringe when I hear tall guys complain that they can't attract. What a waste. Or the typical " I work out a lot but nothing is changing". A true "intense" workout should have you sweating buckets and have you sore the next day, it shouldn't be easy and mundane...

Sorry if I digressed off topic but it really gets to me when people don't see their true potential and don't put in the necessary "hard, hard work" it takes to make their "dream" into reality.

Kingbeef,

So you are testifying that a hard body is a night and day difference over chubby, and you don't even have to say much? Your already past females defenses on physical looks and image alone?

That's what this thread was for, to get DJ'ers to accept this truth, not saying it's how it should be, but it's how it is. There is no reason to fight it.

Plus having your body on point will boost your confidence and strength which will bleed over to every other compartment of your life.

It's been along time since I looked remotely close to a look that got womans panties moist and got them wondering, but I am working on it now, this time with the bad ass mid section. So I too will be able to testify to how much more simple the game could be.

 

[\\mattyice//]

Interesting views on this thread. I remember back at Uni i decided to go on a cut one summer and went from 210 to 190 in a matter of months, with a strong diet of course none of that starve yourself crap. I am 6'5 but I stay very lean so my 190 looked like a 210-215. I remember going to back to Uni and some girl was trying to stick her hand up my shirt and another one went up to me and opened with do you play sports? I find when I'm normally around a lean 200 more girls are interested and right now I'm around 215-220 which to some people looks like 230-240 and it can be intimidating.

But who actually lifts for the women tho :rock:

 

[old married dude]

I'm 5'8" and 162 pounds right now with 12.7% body fat & I get noticed with my shirt off lol. In my 20's I went for that bigger more jacked look and got up to around 180 pounds but that much bulk didn't look right on me, probably bc my head is a little smaller than average. I look best with my current build which is similar to an MLB player or swimmer.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I'm 5"9 and 3/4th at 192. A bit chubby not to bad, not fat at all. I think Ideal weight for me would be 160-165

 

[KingBeef]

Kingbeef,

So you are testifying that a hard body is a night and day difference over chubby, and you don't even have to say much? Your already past females defenses on physical looks and image alone?

That's what this thread was for, to get DJ'ers to accept this truth, not saying it's how it should be, but it's how it is. There is no reason to fight it.

Plus having your body on point will boost your confidence and strength which will bleed over to every other compartment of your life.

It's been along time since I looked remotely close to a look that got womans panties moist and got them wondering, but I am working on it now, this time with the bad ass mid section. So I too will be able to testify to how much more simple the game could be.

This thread tonight really got me going. I just wanted to add some insight into the mix...

I think what really lit a fire under me tonight was realizing the day and night difference when I was in high school compared to my physical peak. I was not good looking, I admit it. No girl would give me the time of day and I actually remembered one instance when I asked a girl out where it appeared like she may have subtly vomit in her mouth and swallowed before she responded no to me. That was pretty low....I will always remember that.

It was not until my mid twenties when my major transformation took place. I was in better shape by then but working out with a good friend of mine took my training to a different level. 6 days a week of torture, doing heavy reps and sets past failure. Having a torturous Sunday leg day workout that would make you so sore that on Tuesday when you try to sit on the toilet the pain was excruciating. After 8 months, was it worth it? DAMN RIGHT IT WAS...

The gradual transformation was taking place.... The testosterone...First came the looks from everyone, which at first threw me off guard, then with that came the confidence, I no longer strayed away from anyone... I now looked everyone in the eye until they either submitted or strayed away from me first. For the first time in my life I felt like a dominant male, one way or another everyone was acknowledging me. This was key to my psyche. I wanted more so I continued working out. Then the wardrobe changed, out with the baggy and in with fitted/modern clothing that showed everyone that me (of all people) had a sense of style and a good body. Smiling more, taking care of teeth, hair, being picky of how I looked overall (maybe just a bit narcissistic). Then becoming a better conversationalist...I was still humble but at times it felt I could do nothing wrong. In the early years I was deathly scared of touching women unless they literally groped me (hardcore catholic mom upbringing). When I found this site a few years back I finally got the nerve with this new found confidence to apply Kino on women, nothing sexual or aggressive just friendly... Results? 100% effective... I realized first hand that most women are feminine, emotional creatures who liked to be touched, mostly to someone they are attracted on any instinctual level. I can go on and on and on with paragraphs of female stories and success, if I wanted to....

DaddyLongShanks was on point by saying having a body" bleeds into every compartment in your life" It's up to you to take advantage of this new found confidence/opportunity to grow and evolve to the best that you can be...

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I been doing calisthentics for a month and a half, and I notice a very subtle difference in my definition can't wait to see where I am at by 4th of July

 

[zekko]

So you are testifying that a hard body is a night and day difference over chubby, and you don't even have to say much? Your already past females defenses on physical looks and image alone?

You're always better off being in shape and building muscle. You'll be more attractive, yes, but I don't think it's a magic pill in getting women to come to you.

I also think there's a difference between going from chubby to fit, and from going from fit to hard. I was NEVER fat. I was a guy who was always to skinny in high school. In my early 20s I was still too skinny but I had mad fitness from a cardiovascular standpoint. I would play two five set tennis matches in the blazing summer sun (tennis was popular then), then later walk three miles.

At some point I got into lifting weights and I started to bulk up. It took several years because it had always been difficult for me to put on weight. And I admit I was more physically attractive once I hit my peak, no question. But there was never any "night and day" difference that I went through, maybe because it was a gradual change. And also, it's hard for me to lay my increased success with women all on my physique when I was improving in so many other ways as well.

So while I would encourage anyone to achieve their maximum fitness, I don't think it makes every guy an instant chick magnet. There are a lot of variations to attraction, and your physique is just one aspect. There's your height, your face, your style, your status, your body language, your personality, everything. I have no doubt some guys can just get ripped and have women crawling all over them, but I don't think it will have that effect for all guys. You think a ripped Brad Pitt and a ripped Steve Buscemi will have the same attraction factor?

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

You're always better off being in shape and building muscle. You'll be more attractive, yes, but I don't think it's a magic pill in getting women to come to you.

I think as you go from fat to chubby to regular to fit to exceptional, you will go from invisible to women actually wanting to put their hands upon you and imagining your perfect body next to them.

I also think there's a difference between going from chubby to fit, and from going from fit to hard. I was NEVER fat. I was a guy who was always to skinny in high school. In my early 20s I was still too skinny but I had mad fitness from a cardiovascular standpoint. I would play two five set tennis matches in the blazing summer sun (tennis was popular then), then later walk three miles.

And some women prefer that skinny look. There was a USC study on attractiveness of male body types, and the most preferred type was lean with a bit of muscle on it, so somewhere between an NBA point guard and NFL defensive back in size.

Male sprinters have always had a desireable shape that makes women imagine riding his pony for example.

At some point I got into lifting weights and I started to bulk up. It took several years because it had always been difficult for me to put on weight. And I admit I was more physically attractive once I hit my peak, no question. But there was never any "night and day" difference that I went through, maybe because it was a gradual change. And also, it's hard for me to lay my increased success with women all on my physique when I was improving in so many other ways as well.

Going from fat to fit, I will tell you the world does treat you differently and you get lookced at. Women who you where once invisible to might now do a double take. It's real, and I can only imagine going from fit to seriously cut on a very desired body size and type will be the difference from being looked at to having women know they want to hop on your pipe.

Just like us if you have a smoking hot body, you can be dumb as rocks, they will want to try the pipe out.

So while I would encourage anyone to achieve their maximum fitness, I don't think it makes every guy an instant chick magnet. There are a lot of variations to attraction, and your physique is just one aspect. There's your height, your face, your style, your status, your body language, your personality, everything. I have no doubt some guys can just get ripped and have women crawling all over them, but I don't think it will have that effect for all guys. You think a ripped Brad Pitt and a ripped Steve Buscemi will have the same attraction factor?

A believe getting to your perfect physical form is a large percentage of turning on your chick magnetism.

Other part of it is your dress. Clothes don't make a man but they can indeed make the man. The right clothes make you look like candy to a female.

With a perfect body under the clothes, you can get all kind of imaginations going and women will want to lay next to your perfect body, they could've even heard you laid with others a few nights before.

People are "stupid" behind people they think are extremely attractive.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Well, if you figure it out please post it here, because I'm always looking for a "magic bullet", even though I've pretty much concluded no such thing exists. I'm 5'10" though, so I'm not that tall.


Ah, to be so young again and have it all in front of you. You are an unlocked box of pure potential. Since you're only 17, there's no way you can't improve your muscularity - as long as you apply yourself. At my age, it's probably all downhill from here. I've had to reduce the amount of weight I lift because my joints don't hold up anymore.

Not that I'd trade places with you. I've just reached the point where I never have to work again if I don't want, and I wouldn't want to have to start over from scratch, especially in this economy.

A "magic bullet" does exist. It's not perfect and it does not work on every woman. But your "magic bullet" could work on 25-50% of women around your peer group.

Your body could be so developed so fine, that women want to just touch it, that their mouths water looking at it and they want to lay next to you.

Some of them would be happy to have your c0ck in their mouth as they rub your god like midsection.

Physical form is a powerful tool in the DJ arsenal that should be considered one of the foundations of it all.

Of course it's great to be able to pull as a skinny or a chubby, but why drive a Chevy Malibu or Ford Explorer when you can drive a Benz 760i with a v12 at 540 HP!

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

You're always better off being in shape and building muscle. You'll be more attractive, yes, but I don't think it's a magic pill in getting women to come to you.

I also think there's a difference between going from chubby to fit, and from going from fit to hard. I was NEVER fat. I was a guy who was always to skinny in high school. In my early 20s I was still too skinny but I had mad fitness from a cardiovascular standpoint. I would play two five set tennis matches in the blazing summer sun (tennis was popular then), then later walk three miles.

At some point I got into lifting weights and I started to bulk up. It took several years because it had always been difficult for me to put on weight. And I admit I was more physically attractive once I hit my peak, no question. But there was never any "night and day" difference that I went through, maybe because it was a gradual change. And also, it's hard for me to lay my increased success with women all on my physique when I was improving in so many other ways as well.

So while I would encourage anyone to achieve their maximum fitness, I don't think it makes every guy an instant chick magnet. There are a lot of variations to attraction, and your physique is just one aspect. There's your height, your face, your style, your status, your body language, your personality, everything. I have no doubt some guys can just get ripped and have women crawling all over them, but I don't think it will have that effect for all guys. You think a ripped Brad Pitt and a ripped Steve Buscemi will have the same attraction factor?

Yeah, but will a ripped Steve Buscemi have the same attraction factor as a fat or chubby Steve Buscemi?

 

[zekko]

Yeah, but will a ripped Steve Buscemi have the same attraction factor as a fat or chubby Steve Buscemi?

As I said, you'll be more attractive ripped, and you'll always be better off being in shape. That said, I don't think it's right to lead guys to believe that all they have to do is get ripped and all their female problems will be solved, or that they will be considered 9s or 10s suddenly.

I think it really depends on the individual what kind of effect it might have on his dating life. But as I've said, it will almost always be beneficial.

I've read these kind of threads on bodybuilding forums, and it seems like half the guys seem to get this "girls are crawling all over me now" benefit, while the other half doesn't. I think it must be because of the overall look, not everyone has the same genes. Not everyone can have a perfect body, even if their workout ethic is exemplary. Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, for instance, used to have fatty deposits around his nipples that he just couldn't get rid of, until he finally had surgery to correct it.

 

[guru1000]

As I said, you'll be more attractive ripped, and you'll always be better off being in shape. That said, I don't think it's right to lead guys to believe that all they have to do is get ripped and all their female problems will be solved, or that they will be considered 9s or 10s suddenly.

Best way to understand it is that an exceptional physique can add up to 2.5 pts to one's SMV, dependent upon the start point. If the start point is obese, the SMV add-on can be greater.

Those of us push on the physique agenda, as it is the easiest, most effective to increase SMV genuinely. Far easier to build a physique than becoming a celebrity or multi-millionaire.

 

[prison/con.net]

2.5 lbs per inch of height, guys. 6 ft, 180 lbs, 10% bodyfat, 32" waist, able to standing broadjump at LEAST 7ft and able to do 20 chin-ups. That's what you want. You don't have to be a multi=millionaire, either. But you DO need to have half a million (wisely invested), if you're in the US, and know how to easily clear 100k per year. Then you are secure and have the free time needed to find a REALLY good woman. She's probably not living in the First World, you know.

 

[DaddyLongShanks]

Best way to understand it is that an exceptional physique can add up to 2.5 pts to one's SMV, dependent upon the start point. If the start point is obese, the SMV add-on can be greater.

Those of us push on the physique agenda, as it is the easiest, most effective to increase SMV genuinely. Far easier to build a physique than becoming a celebrity or multi-millionaire.

WHen this guy says 2.5 points, it means a 25% swing...

I personally believe it's more. If someone was actually fat and no confidence, and they stripped it down to an attractive body size full of confidence, it's going to go from people looking away from your "ugly" mass, to looking at you and some will want to touch you.

Guys. An exceptional body on a male is just like one on a female. Think about all the strippers and similar in real life, who you'd pound the crap out of, not saying these are ideal partners, but the physical image alone stokes your fires.

For females there are physical images that can also stoke their fires, lower their walls, and even warm them up between their thighs!

I personally am on a personal exploration and challenge to find this magical key in my own body...

 

[zekko]

An exceptional body on a male is just like one on a female. Think about all the strippers and similar in real life, who you'd pound the crap out of, not saying these are ideal partners, but the physical image alone stokes your fires.

The only quibble I have with this is that women are not as visual as men are. I also believe that the male body is not as blatantly sexual as the female body is (although I'm sure that could be argued with) - the male body is built more to DO things - build, lift, hunt, etc. The female body is more dedicated to reproduction, and thus, sex. But I'm getting off topic...

The point is, male stripping and semi-nude males will NEVER be the big business that female stripping and semi-nude females are. How many male versions of the Hooters restaurant do you see? Who the hell would even have an appetite with all that male flesh running around exposed? Ick.

That aside, of course it is always better to be in shape than not.

 

[guru1000]

The only quibble I have with this is that women are not as visual as men are.

Yes they are--especially the younger ones :yes:

Nothing drops panties faster than a man's impeccable appearance.

 

[zekko]

Yes they are--especially the younger ones :yes:

Clearly they are not, or else there would be as male strip clubs out there as female strip clubs. Male porn stars would earn as much as female porn stars. Advertisers would use as many scantily clad male models as they use scantily clad female models. And on down the line.