Pay attention to what's going on around you...

[squirrels]

You guys who are so hung up about rushing into relationships, marriages, moving in with chicks, and ESPECIALLY those of you in a rush to breed...wake up and start paying attention.

Look what happens to other men who don't think these things through:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172324
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172405

Is this what YOU are headed for?

Open arms and open eyes.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Men are so desperate for p*ssies and acceptance that they get into those situations unaware of the traps that lie ahead...

 

[Luthor Rex]

Men are so desperate for p*ssies and acceptance that they get into those situations unaware of the traps that lie ahead...

I've known men who were so desperate for puzzy that they went in even knowing of the traps. They just rationalized everything away. "I'm saving her from a bad life" or whatever.

*vomit*

 

[romangod]

I pity the man that's ruled by pu$$y in this day and age. They're being led to their slaughter.

Until a man can honestly say to himself, " Fvck 'em" he will not be free. Then he will get more pu$$y than he needs.

Cheers!

 

[grinder]

When I look back over the last few years of the women I’ve been with this particular paradox stands out as one of the clearest examples of basic economics on the planet: The Law of Supply and Demand. For example, I’ve been with women that, frankly, I just wasn’t that into. Unfailingly those are the one’s that can’t keep their hands off you. However, when I started NEEDING pu$$y from the VERY SAME WOMEN, suddenly the price got higher and the sex got rarer.

If ALL you focus on is pu$$y then by basic economics, you are putting a high value on it. You cannot hide this from a woman. The cost will go up.

I have escaped this trap by focusing on having fun and building a relationship….with pu$$y relegated to an added pleasure that is part of the relationship.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Roman God,
The Good yeast is in you,Yeah Fvuck the lot of them if they didn't have a Pvussy they would be stacked ten deep at the local tip with the other dykes.

 

[Mr.Positive]

I really enjoy my work, but the reality is that I work for a morally and ethically corrupt company. A company that manages based upon fear. My coworkers are disgruntled and completely lack any sort of motivation. They grip and complain, and are just lazy.

I've learned, not to give into this fear. I've learned to become unattached, and I work hard, and enjoy what I do for this reason.

Because I know, I can lose my job an in instant...and I know, that I can find another job.

Freedom comes from the confidence in knowing that nobody can hurt you.

The same with women. Nothing is permanent, women come and go through our lives. It's important to accept them for who they are, and enjoy the time spent.

This is what makes life exciting, not knowing just what is around the corner. We only get one go around.

 

[Jules Verne]

Spoken like a positive man.

 

[Magma]

When are men going to stop having babies at 21 (as in the second link in Squirrel's op)? When are men going to stop moving in with their gf's at such a young age? When are men going to stop getting married so young? When is the 21st century man going to WISE UP?

Guys shouldn't even CONSIDER having a girlfriend until they're about 25. It's just ridiculous. Guys should be out there experiencing as MANY WOMEN AS POSSIBLE during this time. They don't use condoms ("But I can't feel anything!"), get a girl pregnant, move in with her, eventually marry her, eventually get divorced, lose custody of their kids, pay vaginamony for god-knows-how-long, pay child support for 18 YEARS, and are left as a shell of a man at 30. Broke and broken, humping crappy jobs and living miserable lives.

I mean, here's this guy who has claimed to make over 300 dimes playing poker before he reached 30. He should be having the time of his life! And here's this other guy whose old lady used his sperm to have her baby and now she's systematically squeezing him out of the child's life. All the while she is collecting child support from him! And we have another child growing up without their father, and the cycle continues. It's like a goddamned Montel show up in here.


It doesn't have to be this way, guys. It just doesn't.

 

[DJDamage]

I have been trying to explain this sh1t to some of my friends but to no avail.

I have a few friends who are very successful financially but always lament about finding that perfect girl so they can finally settle down and have kids.

To me this mindest is plain ridiculous because every girl they end up dating they are already thinking about marrying them without evaluating the possible pitfalls that comes with it.

One of my friends had a girl in another city across the country who he was talking to her at least 3 hours each day on the phone (he met her on a visit and never f@cked her). I told him to be careful because he was falling for someone who is far away as opposed to using his energy for someone who is available where he lives, and at the same time he is turning her off completly talking to her every day on the phone. Not to mention that this chick who is in her early 20's was already marrried and divroced within a year (a red flag which I also pointed out). My friend dismissed my concerns by attempting to use logic behind his madness and told me that he was going to fly during a long weekend to visit her and at least attempt to **** her. Well He flew to her city to be with her like they agreed to on the phone but then she told him that they were moving really fast and needed time to think it over so that plan went up in smoke.

 

[zekko]

When are men going to stop having babies at 21?

I used to think that the best way to have kids was get blindsided with them at a young age, because if you wait until you're older and realize all the potential problems you will probably never willingly have them. The younger guys have more energy also.

Honestly, it's probably nature's plan for guys to have kids when they're younger. That's when their testosterone level is highest. It's funny that on this forum everyone is all aboard on "nature's plan" when it has them going out and fvcking everything that moves, but suddenly decide it's not a good idea when dealing with the natural consequences of those actions.

 

[grayclif]

This may be off topic. In my part of the Caribbean single motherhood is almost epidemic. So many single women with clerical/retail jobs have children. You even see this trend creeping into the more professional jobs ie: lawyers, bankers, accountants.

However, I am somewhat envious of many of the couples my age that married and had kids early. Their children are now out of the house or on their own. These couples are in their prime of their earning potential and enjoying every minute of it.

 

[AMDG]

However, I am somewhat envious of many of the couples my age that married and had kids early. Their children are now out of the house or on their own. These couples are in their prime of their earning potential and enjoying every minute of it.

Ironically the rich kids are not rushing to procreate, and for the poor ones kids can be a social burden at a young age.

 

[zekko]

However, I am somewhat envious of many of the couples my age that married and had kids early. Their children are now out of the house or on their own. These couples are in their prime of their earning potential and enjoying every minute of it.

I've thought of this also. Another good argument for having kids early. Get it out of the way and when it's over you're still young enough to fully enjoy life. And you've got the kids there to help you out and give you some support if you need it when you get older (if only to have someone to visit you in the nursing home).

I don't have any kids myself though, I've never felt ready for it. But that's another argument for having kids young. If you wait until you feel ready you'll never do it.

 

[Lexington]

I used to think that the best way to have kids was get blindsided with them at a young age, because if you wait until you're older and realize all the potential problems you will probably never willingly have them. The younger guys have more energy also.

Honestly, it's probably nature's plan for guys to have kids when they're younger. That's when their testosterone level is highest. It's funny that on this forum everyone is all aboard on "nature's plan" when it has them going out and fvcking everything that moves, but suddenly decide it's not a good idea when dealing with the natural consequences of those actions.

Having kids is one thing. Raising them well and providing for them is quite another. If you're content to give your kids the bare minimum, go ahead and have them at a young age.

But if you want to provide them with a leg up in life, then you should hold off until your career path is set. Your energy in your early to late 20s should be spent putting yourself in a position to ensure financial security later.

Unless you're a pro athlete, a pop star or one of those dot com whiz-kids, chances are you're not even remotely close to being financially sound in your early 20s these days.

 

[zekko]

But if you want to provide them with a leg up in life, then you should hold off until your career path is set. Your energy in your early to late 20s should be spent putting yourself in a position to ensure financial security later.

This only makes sense and I agree for the most part. However, again it goes against "nature" because when you're young that's when your hormones are really pushing you to mate. I can't help but think there's some hypocrisy in this forum when it tells men to go have sex with multiple partners because it's as nature intended, but then say hold off on the kids. Even though I agree with holding off on the kids (remember, I don't have any - but that's probably partly due to my being selfish).

The problem with waiting until you're financially secure is then that makes you a target for big child support payments when your wife decides to divorce you. But I guess that's better than being made to pay for child support when you don't have the means.

 

[grayclif]

Lex - Mindset is all important. Those couples that had children early were not professionals at the time. They didn't have high powered degrees and everyone thought they were crazy when they got married and had kids. These people live in the same neighborhoods as those professionals that have how powered degrees. The only difference financially is that those families that got started earlier have far less debt.

I am reminded of this post and myself:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172322

During high school I developed a skill and I honed that skill during summers. When I graduated it was decided that I go to college and pursue a career unrelated to that skill. And thereby begin the process of accumulating debt. After 10 years of pursuing that career, making lots of money along with extremely high levels of stress. I was on high blood pressure meds and 50lbs overweight by the age 34.

A job came up that would allow me to use those skills I learned back in high school. I took a pay cut when I decided to make this change but my health and general love of life is far better. Now I am making as much money doing this as I did with my other career. I am doing very well with this new career and I'm even beating others with 20-30 experience in the field.

I often wonder if I had used my skill right after high school where I'd be.

After college I decided real early on that I wouldn't borrow any more money. This has helped me where it has hurt many of my peers. I pay for everything with cash, I have one credit card but I do have a home mortgage.

 

[Lexington]

Lex - Mindset is all important. Those couples that had children early were not professionals at the time. They didn't have high powered degrees and everyone thought they were crazy when they got married and had kids. These people live in the same neighborhoods as those professionals that have how powered degrees. The only difference financially is that those families that got started earlier have far less debt.

I am reminded of this post and myself:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172322

During high school I developed a skill and I honed that skill during summers. When I graduated it was decided that I go to college and pursue a career unrelated to that skill. And thereby begin the process of accumulating debt. After 10 years of pursuing that career, making lots of money along with extremely high levels of stress. I was on high blood pressure meds and 50lbs overweight by the age 34.

A job came up that would allow me to use those skills I learned back in high school. I took a pay cut when I decided to make this change but my health and general love of life is far better. Now I am making as much money doing this as I did with my other career. I am doing very well with this new career and I'm even beating others with 20-30 experience in the field.

I often wonder if I had used my skill right after high school where I'd be.

After college I decided real early on that I wouldn't borrow any more money. This has helped me where it has hurt many of my peers. I pay for everything with cash, I have one credit card but I do have a home mortgage.

I'm not saying that getting a good degree is the only way to make money. In fact, most degrees are complete garbage these days. It's totally not worth mortgaging your whole fvcking life for one.

The only majors that are really worth it are those in professions with high barriers for entry: engineering, medicine, dentistry, architecture etc. In those fields, you HAVE to have a piece of paper to get in. And if you don't, you can't play the game.

But most degrees only offer you "soft skills." What do you do with an English or history degree? You don't have a specialized set of skills. Chances are you'll just end up pushing paper like the vast majority of college grads, and just about anyone can compete for your job.

But regardless of whether or not you get a degree, your early 20s are the time of your life when you lay the foundation for your future. What you do between the ages of 18-30 sets the tone for the rest of your life. Of course, there are exceptions to this rule, but chances are, that's the age range when you must scramble to establish yourself.

If you're a parent at the age of 21, you're going to be spending a great deal of time, energy and money on your kid(s). I think those resources would be much better allocated towards climbing up the ladder and amassing capital.

Once you've got your business up and running or you're on a solid career track, you're in a good position to provide for kids. You're not in a good position when you can barely afford to support yourself (and most 21 year olds are in that position).

I'd say hold off until your late 20s to early 30s. Times have changed now. We live a lot longer today than we once did. And if you take good care of yourself, you should have plenty of energy for the rug rats well into your late 40s and your 50s.

 

[guru1000]

Question is what motivation would a married man have to come to this site and create a thread about his 'great' marriage.

 

[zekko]

Question is what motivation would a married man have to come to this site and create a thread about his 'great' marriage.

Good point. This forum gives a somewhat skewed opinion of marriage since it's full of the male flotsam and jetsam of the battle of the sexes. Guys who have had a good experience probably don't come here.

That said, marriage is fraught with danger, and if you are considering it, you should be very, very careful. And that still may not be enough.