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"Past is Past" mantra

Latinoman

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I have read a few threads and posts and I’m amazed at how common this is (read below for more). Times have indeed changed.

This is kind of a rant. And it might be quite long too. So, I appoligize in advance.

OUR SOCIETY

We live in a society in which women are (to a degree) ostracize for sleeping around or going into one night stands and the likes. And a society that USED to applaud men that slept around and had many women. Fact is; that has been the way for centuries: the best decent women (none *****s, none sluts, etc) exercising self control in moralistic issues, while men engaging in over indulgence.

But since the 1960s, the roles started reversing. Women started “liberating” themselves. And now we have this: western men “accepting” women for what they are and using the catch phrase “past is past”, even when choosing their future wife and possibly mother of their children. Western women sleeping around and doing whatever, even thought society still (to a degree) frown upon that behavior (e.g. “sluts” or “ho”) and men accepting that as “part of the women wild years” is very rampant today.

CULTURALLY MOTIVATED?

I don’t know if I’m a dinosaur. I come from a small island in the Caribbean that used to be proud of our masculinity (sadly is starting to change since the Ricky Martin era). The same island of Jimmy Smits, Benicio del Toro, “Carlitos Way character”, etc . My father, brothers, and I were womanizers. We were (they still are) very good at it. It is a cultural thing. Furthermore, we are/were married very intelligent, professional, very loyal, and great wives/mothers. Marry for very long time (they still married while I decided to move on with my life “alone”). It is very weird in the sense that my half brothers, father, and I are very alike and natural when it comes to making women fall DEEPLY in love with us. Scary, I might add. But they all have one thing in common too, all those women married us when they were very young (although, independent). That allows us to “shape” them. Unfortunately, I failed to help her adjust to MY changes (men tend to change quite a bit when reaching maturity) and I let her go. She was still great as a wife and mother of children. But that’s another story.

Now that you understand a little bit of my cultural background, this brings me to this important point: “the past is past” mantra.

PAST IS PAST…nope!

Past is very important. Past behavior and environment is what truly shapes women moral behavior. A woman that has decided to ignore social ostracism in exchange to live a wild life is a woman that can revert to that because her moral foundation is very weak (note: men aided by hundreds of years of societal assimilation tend to “change” without going back, because “morals” are not affected, in fact their behavior is/was expected).

Women tend to have, by nature, bigger values than men. When a woman goes to the extreme to challenge societal expectations and go below those values that’s a clear indication that this particular woman can revert to the same low morals/values IF put under the right circumstances or under stress. For instance, if a woman cheated, she already reached a very low level and she might revert to that level (and any other in between) because she already broke that point.

Yes, past is important when it comes to choosing a wife (the woman carrying your father’s father name). More important if she is to become the mother of your children.

And although, sleeping around with shady women might not be a bad thing. I strongly believe that sleeping around with CURRENT sluts is a serious character flaw. I rather sleep with a woman that has some self control now (regardless of her past). I won’t even mind going into a relationship with one. But I would NEVER give my last name to one.

DO WE NEED WOMEN?

Here is the thing (and I don’t care what the DJ Bible says), a man does need a woman to help him focus on his real goals. Here is why; alcohol and women are the two “legal” things that can truly screw our lives.

Women is something we will always want. Therefore, if we don’t have ANY woman in our lives, we will always be in the hunt. And that will take our focus from other endeavors. In fact, can get us in trouble. It is natural and it is part of having testosterone.

However, having the WRONG woman (LTR type) in our lives can make things worst. Because the last thing we need to worry about is that woman when we are gone or away (War, Travel, Work, etc.). Because a man that cannot command the respect of his woman is literally less than a man in the eyes of other men (note: sure, even the best men can make a mistake and pick the wrong woman, what he does AFTER realizing that mistakes is what would determine his worth as a man).

I know this might sound a little too masculine or macho or archaic. But, that has been the way for centuries…until the last 30 or so years when kids (now men) started getting plugged into the Matrix (thanks to T.V. and other crap).

HIBERNATION THEOREM

Yes my friends…past do matters. Women will go into hibernation. Because once the values and morals are tarnished…they can always go as low as that (or somewhere slightly above). And they can go back to their past self (or something slightly above, for instance maybe not a gangbang and perhaps just a fling or two) if something as little as “insecurity” hits her.

Past is past in our case (as men). Not the same when it comes to women. We are different in that area thanks to hundreds of years of societal adaptation. And they (women) know that. But they play us by using their ******** catch phrases.

Final point: If a man chooses a woman UNDERSTANDING the ‘hibernation’ theorem and understanding that past is important, then I can see him marrying a woman like that (with a shady past). However, he knows that he most work hard to keep her from “awakening” again. That takes some work and effort.

Furthermore, if a man chooses to marry a SLUT (not past life, but “current” life), he knows that he will have to dedicate ALL his effort to keep her happy. Almost an impossibility, unless he is 100% masculine and command 100% respect. The thing is…very few men with those characteristics have the time/desire to live their lives revolving around A WOMAN while ignoring his life/career/wellbeing.

Past does matter.

It comes down to one thing: RESPECT.
 

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Great post, and I agree on all accounts. I forgive pasts, but I'm wary of what kind of mind-set led them to that past and whether they can correct it. One thing I've noticed after studying much psychology, counseling, etc., probably less than 1 percent of our society actually change their behaviors, manners, etc.

This is the great myth perpetuated by women, that they can change men. Women seem to think a little ceremony with a white dress accompanied by a tuxedo will change a man. Foolish tripe. A man's and woman's behaviors are so ingrained that a silly hour-long ceremony will not change either.

Change comes from within, either personal enlightentment through something that happened in their lives; or perhaps through reading some great material; or perhaps through PERSONAL counseling (marriage counseling should come only after personal counseling, IMO), or in reading sosuave and actually applying its principles. I'd say less than 1 percent of the members on this site actually truly believe in DJ principles and apply them, otherwise the majority of the posts wouldn't be, "How do I get my ex back."

Like I said, probably fewer than 1 percent of the people in this world are capable of change, so yes, be wary of one's past and how they've changed or not changed since then.

Guys in college I knew who were womanizers? They were womanizers when they got married, cheated, and are on their second or third marriage, buying into the matrix that they need to be married. Women I know who were sl-ts in college and slept around? Most slept around when they got married and are working on second or third marriage.

Solid men and women with good values I knew in college? They have solid values now and are in solid marriages. It's VERY very difficult to practice either womanizing or straight-laced practices for years and years and then flip to the other side just because one gets married and so calls "settles down."

Complete utter B.S. Men and women who think they can alter these pasts are fools.

The past counts, change comes from within -- and fewer than 1 percent of the people in this earth are working on personal change.
 

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Thanks Westcoaster.

Less than one percent. I agree with that estimate.

From my perspective:

Make me think that if I EVER get married again...and I choose a woman in her 30s or 40s (based on how old I might be by then), then I have to TRULY work hard. I already have children...so I truly don't have to marry again if I don't want to.

In fact, I have issues remarrying. I don't think I am capable of being marry and 100% true to myself. No yet. I think that if I was to be married again, I will end up divorced because I don't like tending crap from women. I mean, in my 20s I played the game very well (even when I was married). In my 30s, I changed because i truly wanted to be a better man...but I knew it was a matter of time before I went astray. The sad thing, she is the type of woman that I could have TRUST to my Maximum Allowable Trust Level (even in a room full of Brad Pitts) and TRUST she would not even go into a flirting mode. And with Maximum Allowable Trust Level, I mean the most I can trust a woman is 80% and she is and will always be the one holding that honor. But you cannot change the nature of the scorpion (the scorpion and the toad morale).

I'm not too sure I can trust any other woman in my present and future. I'm 38, and I'm not too willing to go out there and "spin plates"...YET. The reason is clear: My kids are my number 1 priority right now (and having an older woman allows me to have this time with them). And I want them to finally accept the fact that I left their mom because it was the right thing to do and NOT because I wanted to sleep around.

But I don't think I can deal with the future Menopause, Insecurity of being with a younger man (me), signs of a "bad temper", insecurity as she ages (which could bring the "I need attention from ALL men" syndrome and consequently disrespect) as to end up marrying a person that I know VERY WELL cannot be changed. Not saying she is like that...but she is already divorced and once a person do that once, that person can do it again. And again. And again.



And the question will always be...this is a woman that has some very good qualities (for what I've seen so far - although, she is older and probably knows how to hide the bad in order to "tied me down"). Can you imagine the others with less that extelar quality? LOL. Fascinating! ;)

And if I spin plates (once my kids are ready to accept the divorce issue)....then the issue here comes STDs and all that crap. LOT of sick women out there. LOT of them.

I feel sorry for men that are AFCs. Or men that has little understanding of what's going on in this World (when it comes to dealing with women). They lack the tools to understand and read the signs. And worst...they make life-changing decisions without knowing what they are getting into.

If I decide to get into the jungle...I would be doing that KNOWING that I am risking my wellbeing (e.g. getting killed by a tiger or bitten by a poisenous snake). And this is what it is all about. Doing things knowing the consequences of our actions and how to deal with them.
 
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