Passive game is great, but proactive game is fail. why?

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So, i generally don't approach too many women. I'd say maybe a handful a year and my success rate is about 10%. This is including women that give me IOI's. I'm pretty attractive on Asian males, 5'11, 170lbs, good physique and in shape.

The thing is i get hit on a lot imo. Atleast on average once a month since i was a kid. Either some girl calling my sexy, cute, hot, or nice earring/necklace, etc. I just ignore it normally if it's a cat call. I'm confident in my looks but don't really know how to respond. Ever since i was a kid, i was always awkward in approaching women but i never cared.

Women haven't been on my mind too much as of late but i'd like to have a healthy lifestyle and date around. The thing is, i get and can get dates regularly, since women ask me out a lot. Just the way i am, really calm, reserved and serious (its not really who i am, just how i shield myself from drama). Most of the time i don't like any of the girls that approach me. They range anywhere from 5's-7's. If i see an 8, i like. I can use my passive game to get her. Somehow squeeze my way to a drinking session with the group and i literally just drink and smoke by myself and doze off looking at the way, the sky, think about sh1t and she will come talk to me or will make subtle passes at me. Now if i approach her, always turns out bad, but if i wait for her to come to me and take it from there it works well.

Now, once in a blue moon there will be like a 8+ and its pretty darn annoying when there is an 8+ and i catch her looking at me multiple times she has a boyfriend(assuming that's why she doesn't talk to me). I honestly like keeping to myself, i got a lot of **** to sort out and drinking sometimes lets me think clearly or just allows me to zone out and take a break.

My proactive game has taken a major hit in the last few years as i've been doing so much stuff, my brain literally shuts off i believe. I can't hold a conversation with men or women. I manage 80 accounts and my job is to make sure all 80 companies are happy. I talk to hundreds of people through phone, email and face to face meetings on a regular basis. It takes enough concentration to hold a fluid conversation already that i just let my brain turn off once i'm done. I want to start approaching women I WANT to talk to, not the ones that talk to me. Waiting for the women to show up in my circle is not ideal as i do have some ****blocking friends.

Anyone have problems with holding conversation and still have gotten to be successful in picking up. I know conversation and witty chat is the key, I'm actually good at flirting and joking when i want to be but it's like that skills is gone.
 

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AAAgent said:
I want to start approaching women I WANT to talk to, not the ones that talk to me. Waiting for the women to show up in my circle is not ideal as i do have some ****blocking friends.

Anyone have problems with holding conversation and still have gotten to be successful in picking up. I know conversation and witty chat is the key, I'm actually good at flirting and joking when i want to be but it's like that skills is gone.
Dawg I'm with you. It's hard for me to game chicks I'm not interested in as well. What I do is just pretend I'm going after someone I want. I get drunk on Saturdays but I'm pretty good at hiding it. I will go out and just try to get my nut off. Some may call it immature or whatever, but I have needs that must be met. I often display a lack of respect for women when I'm out. Truth be told though, this attitude gets me the girl. I'm not one to get really cised for 10s. I'm way more in to like cute 7s or 8s with great personalities. I approach 9s and 10s for pure sexual pleasure. You should treat them the same.
 

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Nobody can cold-call with the same success rate as when he looks for buying signals.

Also, just because women we're not attracted to like us doesn't mean women we are attracted to like us. They are more difficult to obtain obviously. It sounds like you haven't dated enough women you are attracted to to become desensitized to them.
 

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Hey man, no offense, but it sounds like you're putting a lot of excuses out there. Make fewer excuses, and take more action.

You say you approach very few women. Well, make more of an effort. Let's say you want a job in a certain field and you only apply to one job a month. You won't have much success. Get past your negativity and excuses and take more action.

I repeat: stop making excuses and take more action. Don't reply to this thread. Take some action this week to get better results. Approach 8+ caliber women. Do it.

AAAgent said:
So, i generally don't approach too many women. I'd say maybe a handful a year and my success rate is about 10%. This is including women that give me IOI's. I'm pretty attractive on Asian males, 5'11, 170lbs, good physique and in shape.

The thing is i get hit on a lot imo. Atleast on average once a month since i was a kid. Either some girl calling my sexy, cute, hot, or nice earring/necklace, etc. I just ignore it normally if it's a cat call. I'm confident in my looks but don't really know how to respond. Ever since i was a kid, i was always awkward in approaching women but i never cared.

Women haven't been on my mind too much as of late but i'd like to have a healthy lifestyle and date around. The thing is, i get and can get dates regularly, since women ask me out a lot. Just the way i am, really calm, reserved and serious (its not really who i am, just how i shield myself from drama). Most of the time i don't like any of the girls that approach me. They range anywhere from 5's-7's. If i see an 8, i like. I can use my passive game to get her. Somehow squeeze my way to a drinking session with the group and i literally just drink and smoke by myself and doze off looking at the way, the sky, think about sh1t and she will come talk to me or will make subtle passes at me. Now if i approach her, always turns out bad, but if i wait for her to come to me and take it from there it works well.

Now, once in a blue moon there will be like a 8+ and its pretty darn annoying when there is an 8+ and i catch her looking at me multiple times she has a boyfriend(assuming that's why she doesn't talk to me). I honestly like keeping to myself, i got a lot of **** to sort out and drinking sometimes lets me think clearly or just allows me to zone out and take a break.

My proactive game has taken a major hit in the last few years as i've been doing so much stuff, my brain literally shuts off i believe. I can't hold a conversation with men or women. I manage 80 accounts and my job is to make sure all 80 companies are happy. I talk to hundreds of people through phone, email and face to face meetings on a regular basis. It takes enough concentration to hold a fluid conversation already that i just let my brain turn off once i'm done. I want to start approaching women I WANT to talk to, not the ones that talk to me. Waiting for the women to show up in my circle is not ideal as i do have some ****blocking friends.

Anyone have problems with holding conversation and still have gotten to be successful in picking up. I know conversation and witty chat is the key, I'm actually good at flirting and joking when i want to be but it's like that skills is gone.
 

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so true. Anything i really say back will be an excuse. It's funny how you give a man a task and tell him it has to be completed and he completes it no matter what. But you throw some of these men a women and tell them to finish the task and they fail over and over.

I'm pretty sure if I had to get a woman to fall in love with me or Die I could probably do it haha. It's weird how there's a huge difference between a woman i don't care for and one that im interested in. In the end, it should boil down to her being a woman no different from anyone else but psychologically I somehow see these girls i'm interested in as a "Princess".
 

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AAAgent said:
I want to start approaching women I WANT to talk to, not the ones that talk to me. Waiting for the women to show up in my circle is not ideal as i do have some ****blocking friends.
What is stopping you from approaching these woman? A beautiful woman is not just going to walk up to you and fall in your lap. Approach. Get turned down. Learn from it. Repeat. Eventually you will have success, I GUARANTEE it.

Also, about the HB6-7's that you're not really interested in, USE them. It sounds mean, but do it. Use them to hone your game, sh1t test them, see what works and doesn't work. It's a lot easier to try something new with a girl you don't really care for rather then a HB9 that your trying to fvck.
 

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When a new girl flirts or compliments me I make sure to test her sincerity right then and there. You obviously have her interest right then (she's horny), so take advantage of it. I'll thank her, tell her she looks great too and start talking about what she does on weekends or in her spare time and see where the conversation leads us. She will either tell me she spends her time with her man so i'll call her naughty and start a cheating line of conversation to see if shes willing to bang me. Or if she starts telling me places she goes to i'll suggest a meetup or date. If she says she doesn't do anything i'll tell her she is too pretty to stay home and offer to take her out. If she starts acting funny, i'll assume she was just trying to "be the cougar" or something and write her off as an idiot.

If a girl compliments me and gets funny about me being interested in her right after I assume she has personality issues. If she can follow through it shows she's decisive. It's important not to come on too strong, you have to let her lead while you direct the conversation. She obviously has alot of sexual energy right then, you don't want to squash it. This is really the best time to build up a kind of sexual confidence with her. If she is really shy I may give her a second chance.

And never stop smiling...
 

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JumpOff said:
about the HB6-7's that you're not really interested in, USE them. It sounds mean, but do it.
The funny part is that when those women are hitting on him, they are thinking, "Use me! Please!!!" :D
 

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I do occasionally hook up with them but when i'm using these women.....i can't even stay focused* or anything.... When some girl buys me a bottle of goose/patron for like $200 or drops down to pay for my food...and i'm dead broke...I feel like i owe them and i hate owing people so then in turn i just grab their a$$ give them a kiss and rub them here and there. They call me the next day telling me they need to see me or something.

One girl took me back to her hotel room to look for something that was obviously never there in the first place and motioned me to **** her and i just ignored it until she started to have tears in her eyes. I felt bad and went ahead, never really enjoyed it or finished. afterwards i refused to cuddle and she just started bawling tears.

I have no problem with them coming to me but the ones i want, unless the confidence is booming in me and i don't get butterflies, i always botch the attempt by looking like some retarded creep. I remember chasing down this chick last year who came to work in NY for 3 weeks and i was completely a creep but when i saw her again when i went to work in HK, we went out and it was fine.

Not sure why, but when im kicking with confidence i'm super smooth and brush off any type of resistance and nail it, but i'm generally not confidence when it comes to the approach. I get crazy butterflies, sometimes stutter beceause of the butterflies, etc. But at the same time, a super hot hb9 can come talk to me and be a b1tch and i'll probably get her by being an ******* to her.
 

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JumpOff said:
What is stopping you from approaching these woman? A beautiful woman is not just going to walk up to you and fall in your lap. Approach. Get turned down. Learn from it. Repeat. Eventually you will have success, I GUARANTEE it.

Also, about the HB6-7's that you're not really interested in, USE them. It sounds mean, but do it. Use them to hone your game, sh1t test them, see what works and doesn't work. It's a lot easier to try something new with a girl you don't really care for rather then a HB9 that your trying to fvck.
I do approach the women but i fail most of the time. Either by not being able to blow through LMR or any resistance or just getting a creep vibe from the girl. I do succeed occasionally when im extremely confident. The girl get's flustered sometimes from my overconfidence or she feels extremely comfortable/happy and everything goes smoothly.

Majority of the time i get huge butterflies.
 

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Have standards playa. Don't be messing with raggedy broads that don't look good. If a girl doesn't look good and comes up to me I'll make all the excuses in the world. They will realize that I don't want them when I ignore them. I

Back in the day I struggled with approaching females but now I'm totally different. I'll talk to anybody and there grandma. The key is to talk to everybody and since you do that because of your job you should have a head start on it. Never be afraid to talk to anybody out there. Go out more often and just approach females. After a while your success rate will go way higher and you will forget about the rejections that you do accumulate.

Just make sure when you approach females that you look them in the eye with confidence and slide them your number. Always slide them your number. The reason is if they hit you up they are 100% interested. If a girl says some BS like take my number and call me. Take initiative your a man then just take her number then discard it immediately. Right there you can tell that this girl cannot follow instructions and you don't want to deal with females that can't follow instructions. Usually when I give girls my number they normally hit me up later in the day if not immediately. Sometimes when I give girls my number I tell them to put Sexy AJ in the phone. and when they look at me like What?? I say it's true ain't it. They can't help but to agree.
 

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I do have standards, that's why none of these girls are my girlfriends. I don't hook-up with all of them, just a very select few. Some of them are hot but i've nexted them as their personality isn't exactly befitting of what i'm looking for. I'm looking for less drama in my life and more benefit.

Honestly all i have in my head is work, career, how to further advance my career, etc. I'm lacking severely in conversation skills as all i want to talk about is work and that's all i can talk about now. People even tell me to relax some and have fun (friends, co workers, and former bosses) but to me, i'm perfectly content right now focusing on work. I fvcked around all my child hood and now i'm paying the price of catch-up. women aren't really on my mind, but when i see an hb9 i feel like i have to talk to her. I only cold approach in normal settings, I.E. when she's alone and not in a super public place surrounded by people like the subway.

When the only thing in your head is career, you can't think straight. i've pondered just walking up to a cute girl and say "Hey, how're you doing?" but then depending on the few ways she could react (positive, negative, or neutral), I don't have the confidence i can actually hold/finish a conversation anymore.
 
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AAAgent said:
.Honestly all i have in my head, is work, career, how to further advance my career, etc.
This is great. But at the same time, you can't let work consume you.

Here is what works for me, and I've had quite a lot of success doing it.

People generally like to talk about themselves. Stock pile a list of questions to casually ask a girl while talking to them, they'll love that you're showing interest in them. And the kicker? If you ACTUALLY LISTEN to what they're saying, usually their answers will breed more questions for you to ask. Before you know it, voila, a genuine, full blown conversation!

WARNING:
Some will say this will lead to an interrogation-type of conversation, which, can creep the girl out.

WRONG, you creep them out only if you're a creeper.

Just remember that the girl, first and foremost, is a normal human being. If you ask them normal questions, and LISTEN TO THEIR ANSWERS, a normal flowing conversation will eventuate.
 
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