Overestimated Interest level?

[DJinBlue]

Fresh out of the fog and 2 months removed from BPD turmoil I am trying to get back out there and am experimenting more with direct game. Today an HB7 walks into my store with mom and stepdad where I have one on one sales interactions often for 45 minutes or more. She's reserved at first but about 10 minutes in I notice mom and stepdad are nowhere to be seen as I go to work. Lots of good c&f both ways which amounted to 3 instances of kino all by her. She's wearing pajamas and sunglasses INDOORS and I just bust her chops on this repeatedly. I'm also relentless on her hitting the wall next year (she's 29) got 2 light kicks to the shin and poking me on the arm. Got "you smell good", etc. Midway she throws in a LJBF and pretends to stab me in the heart. I brush that aside like a boss. She jokes about taking her out for food cause she loves to eat (I respond with "I can tell") and I tell her we'll go out but only if she acts as a wingwoman. When I put my number in her phone I notice a dude in her wallpaper pic and bust on her some more. A couple of coworkers noticed the whole thing enough to joke with me about it. Shift ends about 5 hours later and this is the exchange. She rejects me more than once but it is worth noting a few times she texted back in the same minute and never took more than 10.

me: stop thinking of me
HB: lmao muchas gracias
HB: It's those eyes (2nd straight text)
me: thats true. u hiding old woman eyes behind those shades? (age neg)
HB: *shocked face*
me: u gonna buy me a drink next week
HB: Nope
me: gay
HB: R u drunk right now
me: It's complicated
HB: Buenas noches amigo
me: too bad always wanted a big sister
HB: Huh
HB: R u sober lol
me: u kno i liked you better in person
HB: Be nice
HB: I liked u better in person too
HB: Where r u
me: somewhere in the city i think
HB: Have fun...text me manana k (huge sh- test and orbiter bait)
me: haha so immature for your age. peace (flip the script w/ counter rejection/another age neg)

Is this another attention ho with zero IL or are these the initial headgames you just gotta plow thru with direct game? Im definitely pulling back now but I have a feeling she may re-engage in a few days. What missteps did you notice?

 

[old_skoolr]

Nicely played dude, liked the first text you sent her, just pure ****iness haha. I wouldnt worry bout it so much atm man just enjoy making her head spin. You did good, but I would slowly back off abit on the texting for a day or too. Or the next time you text her, tell her your busy now but will call her later. Give it a bit of time then msg her again, if shes still playing along then ask her out.


No matter what happens be proud of yourself, you did good.

 

[DJinBlue]

Thanks. The c&f was really working in person, she was eating it up like chick crack but I think I might have tried the text game too soon. A 29 year old (American) girl that has not only been approached 1000 times by this age but has the courage to walk around a mall wearing big sunglasses inside has the ego of a celebrity. This is why nuclear c&f was the only option. Something was telling me to wait 4 days or at least til Monday to reach out because she was flat out blowing me off in the text exchanges. In the end though I made it a point to counter the sh*T test. There will be no texts "manana". This I feel is the advantage of direct game. You filter out the wastes of time and they soon find out you're not as naive to the game as the armies of betas in their phone.

 

[Masculinity]

Midway she throws in a LJBF and pretends to stab me in the heart. I brush that aside like a boss. She jokes about taking her out for food cause she loves to eat (I respond with "I can tell") and I tell her we'll go out but only if she acts as a wingwoman. When I put my number in her phone I notice a dude in her wallpaper pic and bust on her some more.

I think she is playing chase the rabbit like 95% of women. Interestingly, it tends to decline as their looks fade with age and given that she's 29 this should be less of a concern. She may just be, like you said, immature for her age. It seems like you handled the texts pretty well.

How did you "brush it to the side like a boss?"
What did you say about the dude in her phone?

 

[DJinBlue]

To the LJBF I was leaning on a counter working on something, closed body language with only my side facing her and said something to the effect of "GTFO, I got enough friends", then flipped it by telling her we could roll as pals if she stood there on my arm giving other girls dirty looks. She ate this up.

To the dude pic I told her she was evil for flirting with me so much when she had a man. I think I was spitting some tight game and it's good to see 2 guys approve of the text sequence but the obvious problem is I'm in the chasing frame now. The odds of getting a bang from this seem about 1/100.

 

[Masculinity]

To the LJBF I was leaning on a counter working on something, closed body language with only my side facing her and said something to the effect of "GTFO, I got enough friends", then flipped it by telling her we could roll as pals if she stood there on my arm giving other girls dirty looks. She ate this up.

It annoys me when a woman assumes that you are automatically talking to her because she is attractive. When in this situation, I give them a good stinger that leaves them with the jaw dropped. For example:

HB: LJBF
Me: I am sooo..glad we are on the same page I mean, if I were into you, that would be a disappointment, but I'm not so nice to meed you buddy!
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HB: We are not having sex tonight
Me: That is right! I see you trying to seduce me, but just because I invited you over doesn't mean you're getting laid.
HB: Haha...you are a little player aren't you?
Me: You're entitled to you own opinion But if someone is judging me based on 10 mins of hanging out. I think that says more about her.

Again, very ironically, these kind of responses appear to set something off inside them that makes them want to bang.



Ironically, she may become interested in you after dropping this bomb on her!

 

[DJinBlue]

I guess it's time to chill back and see how the next few days go. I set the tone with nuclear c&f and same day text game. It's frustrating because you're spitting tight game and getting textbook responses, but also just as per the script the next exchange is riddled with flakiness. So predictable it's pathetic. Meanwhile SoSuave will talk to you about both "The Magic of Confident Persistence" and "Stop Chasing Women and Watch them Come to You". Lest students of the game be confused.

 

[Greasy Pig]

Agree with above poster. You've done well to build rapport with some excellent negging and C&F.
Now just ask her out already!
But beware of beta backsliding.
You've got her interest, now you have to keep it up.

 

[DJinBlue]

Got a text today
"how was ur Sunday?"
"the usual fvk bytchez get $"
"who are you and whatve you done with DJinBlue"
"u get the alter ego today"
a true Gemini guess I'll keep my shades on"
"yup u can't handle me"

I stalled for 4 hrs answering the first text. Its been an hour and a half since her last response. Does "wanna buy me a drink next week?" Not count as asking her out? I'm sure she got the hint but instead of accepting she threw a bunch of beta bait in the water. Asking twice in 2 days???

 

[Eph]

Got a text today
"how was ur Sunday?"
"the usual fvk bytchez get $"
"who are you and whatve you done with DJinBlue"
"u get the alter ego today"
a true Gemini guess I'll keep my shades on"
"yup u can't handle me"

I stalled for 4 hrs answering the first text. Its been an hour and a half since her last response. Does "wanna buy me a drink next week?" Not count as asking her out? I'm sure she got the hint but instead of accepting she threw a bunch of beta bait in the water. Asking twice in 2 days???

No, it doesn't count. You asked it as a joke, so that's how she took it. When you ask her out, be direct about it. A simple, "let's hit the bar Tuesday" will suffice. No need for the extra crap at that point.

Next time you hit her up, there should only be one way for her to interpret you asking her out.

 

[El Payaso]

This should have been your text exchange.

You: This is (your name). Save my number.

Her: Will do.

Few days later...

You: BTW, what days are you free this week?

Her: Wednesday and Saturday.

You: Okay. Let's grab a drink this Wednesday at so-so place at 7pm.

Her: Okay.

Simple. Stop trying to entertain women over text. It's a waste of your time and her time. You're just playing court jester for her right now.

 

[Masculinity]

This should have been your text exchange.

You: This is (your name). Save my number.

Her: Will do.

Few days later...

You: BTW, what days are you free this week?

Her: Wednesday and Saturday.

You: Okay. Let's grab a drink this Wednesday at so-so place at 7pm.

Her: Okay.

Simple. Stop trying to entertain women over text. It's a waste of your time and her time. You're just playing court jester for her right now.

Haha, the above is more like the ideal conversation. It would be great if it happened like the above more often.

 

[DJinBlue]

Just texted her an hr ago asking her what's up for thurs. No response but its 11pm. She has some plausible deniability not answering til morn. Expecting some flakiness but want to put it out there now instead of playing this game all week. Best way to respond to a flake if a girls IL is moderate but she's running c&f too? Also expecting the I have a bf shyt test very soon...

 

[El Payaso]

Keep us updated.

 

[pyros]

sorry but...who said 'women that like you wont confuse you?'

You may expect some little flakiness or doubt, very little, but when it starts to look like you have to analyze every interaction, you're planing on how to 'attract' her, you're posting here over and over etc....it just means..., pay attention:

SHE'S NOT INTERESTED + YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME.

Focus on finding new women that dont give you so much trouble. Confident persistence it's ok when you get some trouble but it progresses, for example:
you met once, made out, now she did not answer your text, ok , you wait some days and resume...

But if nothing good is happening just find another woman that is into you for god's shake. You will save energy and have a happier life.

P.S.
I would get rid of all that DJ nonsense like text game, ****y n funy etc, because more often than not, guys overuse it. It happened to me, you become a 'DJ robot' and your interactions seem canned and odd, eventhough you may think you're doing it textbook.

 

[DJinBlue]

Going ice skating Thursday night. Picked an activity where I can excel (hockey player) that she's no good at. Great excuse to amp up kino with plausible deniability ie. hold my hands, waist, etc. Lots of text exchange tonight. This seems like one of those relationships that start hot and heavy, but my guard is up and my game tight so far. Only downsides are I'm playing a girl game like text too much and I sent the last one 2/3 nights, but attraction was built instantly. I've build a lot of rapport the last 3 days. Think I'll go ghost til Thurs afternoon. IF she doesn't flake its looking up..

 

[DJinBlue]

Here's the story. No date but no flake either. She worked 5-5 that day and asked me to pick her up but I share a car and didn't have it Thursday. Mass transit would have taken either of us a long time so we rescheduled for "the weekend". I expected her to offer tonight but in conversation she talked about getting drunk for "girls night".

Tomorrow is 1 week of straight texting with zero payoff so far. I have begun to strategically withdraw. Yesterday she asked me what was the matter and today she asked me why "it takes 5 hours to text back", so the hamster is spinning at least to a degree. Some red flags are starting to become more clear in my field of vision but she's a 7 so I'd still like to get the bang. Anti slut defenses are WAY up but I'd still estimate her interest level at 75% if 90% is white hot. She's initiating, answering quickly and being flirtateous, but she's got 2 nights left to offer up a date before nuclear ghost if we get to Monday. You agree?

One question for the DJ's - when we first began chatting I was thinking 2-3 dates ohigh kino f activity eventually leading to the bang, but considering all the push pull nonsnese going on this early I'm thinking if she does initiate a night out to get her isolated in a bar, get in 4-6 drinks and go for the kill same night. Thoughts?

 

[Masculinity]

She's initiating, answering quickly and being flirtateous, but she's got 2 nights left to offer up a date before nuclear ghost if we get to Monday. You agree?

Dude, there is nothing to agree with here. If she's initiating contact, getting back to you promptly, and flirting while you are not initiating contact, taking five hours to reply, and being laid back, this is a no brainer. If you are waiting for her to fall on your lap with her legs open...don't hold your breath. These are sings of strong interest on her behalf. Be careful because once a woman's interest reaches its pinnacle, it's all downhill from there if you convey non-interest. Think about how you would behave if a woman did what you are doing to her. You have the frame and she knows it...stop playing games and set something up. She did not flake on you. Sometimes men in here play bigger games than women themselves.

 

[DJinBlue]

This girl has just been NEXTed mentally. Today I shot a text to set something up and got about a half dozen qualifying questions about where I was taking her, what time, who was going, etc and she still hadn't committed to solid plans. I told her to forget it and she played stupid with a "Huh". There were some encouraging signs at first but after a week this isn't what high interest level looks like. She's enjoying the attention fix and I've made it pretty clear I can see that. The most pathetic thing of all is she's likely to re-engage in a few days and act surprised that I am distant. I am a much wiser man having survived BPD hell and no girl can win a mindgame if I refuse to play.