Outer Game. Lets see it.

[[look]aRhino]

Ok boys. Lemme start this off a bit antagonistically. Most of you guys are still rampant AFCs. VERY few of you guys are not KJs (keyboard jockeys).

You come here, you read posts and you feel as if its helping you. ITS NOT. practicing the content of those posts is what will help you.

I'm a firm believer in the inner game teachings of Pook, however, i also firmly believe that has to be backed up by some solid outer game if you ever want to TRULY be a Don Juan, or an Alpha Male, or a leader.

So I decided to start this thread. Lets post examples of outer game here. Guidelines: break it down, analyze it, that way we can discover it properly.

I figure I better step up first and set the example, so why not examine my #close yesterday.

My Example
Setting:
Going out clubbing, heading over to a friend's house to meet up before we go clubbing. Its about 10:30, get off the subway and start waiting for the streetcar. Hot (very my type) chick also waiting.

So I open after waiting awhile: "do you see a streetcar?" Situational. What I like best. I'll be honest with you guys, most of what we talked about was fluff. Its the same way I talk with guys too.

The key difference, is how I say stuff. I give lots of EC, strong BL. Not to mention I was heading out clubbing, so my clothes were mad money and really accentuated me. Also, its clear by the way I talk that I'm just having fun. I'm not taking any of this seriously. This communicates two very important things: I'm not desperate and I'm a fun guy. Both of these are very important. I'm not desperate because i'm not taking this interaction seriously, i could take her or leave her. I'm a fun guy because I don't have to take everything seriously, I can just relax and enjoy myself.

So anyway, she was drinking something out of a timmie's mug and I started on that. So we started talking about green tea (what she was drinking) and how it turns you into a super hero.

heres some convo snippets:

me- whats that "M" necklace for?
her- its part of my uniform for where I work, i just don't take it off cause if I did, i'd lose it. I'm scatterbrained.
me- nice to meet you Scatterbrained, I'm Cool.

me- some joke insult I can't remember
her- *gasp* if you keep that up, you're going to get this tea bag in your face
me- pfft, thats no big deal. in fact, thats my other parttime job, I let kindergarden kids throw tea bags at me.
her- *grin* you teabag kindergarden kids?
note: i didn't know what this meant, just that it was sexual.
me- *mock offended* you know what? thats gross, you're a pervert!
her- *smile* just a wee bit.

I managed to pass this ****test, not with flying colours, but more than good enough.

So the streetcar finally comes, and I don't know how long a chance i'll have to #close her. so i test the logistics:
me- i haven't ridden here before, and I need to get off at bathurst, can you tell me when I get there?
her - *thinks* ... ya i can do that.

clearly, i'll be getting off first, so I have until my stop to #close her. note however, i did know where to get off

me- I really enjoyed this conversation, and I'd like to continue it, do you have a phone number?
her- yes. *proceeds to give it to me*
note- i still hadn't told her my name at this point, I had been calling her scatterbrained the whole time.

Sticking Points
As far as I'm concerned, I ran this really well. My biggest concern was that I didn't step up kino enough. I only used it on a couple occasions.

Lessons
give nicknames. they're fun.
keep a mind for logistics, you don't want them biting you.
****tests are fun. respond in kind.

Another note: to truly be outcome dependant, you must have solid inner game. read Pook, understand it. Get a busy life, get some good friends, get hobbies so on and so forth.


There we go boys. Remember, post well thought out, properly structured FRs. Don't forget to go over what other can learn from them, and any possible sticking points you have.

Rhino

PS. If your post is gonna be something like:
I saw a girl, but couldn't approach. Sticking point: can't approach. OR I saw a girl, she tongued me down, then I took her to the bathroom and ****ed her. Lessons: be me. i'm awesome.
Then just save us all time and don't post it.

 

[Dublinsfinest]

good post, but don't expect too many responces

 

[[look]aRhino]

Apparently not eh? This site seems to be full of KJs. Always has been, except back when I used to frequent it there was Pook and Fingers and a couple of others making awesome posts so it was worth it.

Thanks for the compliment Dublin.

 

[frivolousz21]

GOOD FOR YOU!!!

 

[PVSSY-EATER]

Hey what s up man.....I started readin some of Pooks posts and then I decided to join in February....and I have had a lot of success. I post some threads here, and they are posted just for the fact of helping others on this site...and guess what, guys like MindOverMatter or that friv dude who just responded to your post, will post things like I am a keyboard jockey or whatever, when all I do is practice these things and every now and then, I will post a good thread that will help people...now the thing is, haha, they call me keyboard jockey, but they have been on this site longer than ever, and come here all the time and post, and I am a keyboard jockey? Haha, they are funny......good post kiddo, and keep up the good work.

 

[Oxide]

Here are some insights Rhino:


Dont worry about Kino. Unless the girl REALLY likes you she will not be ready for kino that quick, it will just scare her off. Let it progress naturally. Remember, Kino doesnt mean ANYTHING if she isnt responding to it (touching you).


Always get her name, but MAKE SURE to give her yours so she can remember. Dont kill the moment by saying "Ok, i gotta go, what's your name by the way?" Make it flow with the vibe: "So, scatterbrain, what name do you want me to add you as?" (if you forgot her name, just give her the phone and tell her to put the digits in.. few girls catch this)

Dont worry about sh1t tests. There are not gonna be important unless she is really not sure about you. I used to see them everywhere, all it did was make me second guess everything. Enjoying yourself is way more important.

Here is a quiz for you.. what will you say when you call her?

 

[frivolousz21]

coming here doesnt mean anything.

I work 8 to 5 monday threw friday on a computer.

I get on for an hour sat and sunday to check my fantasy sports and online bills.

I love to come here..it has nothing to do with a KBJ.

we called you that becasue the stuff you wrote about, or write about isnt based of expierence.

come and write about what your doing....tell us about the women you get with..why you did it? how you did it?

 

[[look]aRhino]

Friv and P-eater
Clearly theres only one thing to do. Both of you guys post some sarging experience. It doesn't need to be successfull. You could've gotten blown out of the water, but you need to have tried.

Whoever doesn't post **** is clearly a KJ.

Oxide
Refreshing to have some insightful commentary.

You are of course right about the kino. However, during the interaction there are times when it can be used completely naturally. I find if I pretend to make a revelation, or just want to emphasize something i'm saying, a touch on the shoulder is a good way to start.

As for the name, when she wrote down the number she just wrote her name down with it, since I hadn't asked up to this point, in my view it was her seeking rapport. Then she handed me the paper and said who will yyou be when you call? and I responded, "i'll still be Cool" Then after she laughed I said, I'm [my name].

Well I like sh1t tests, because I almost always pass them. I just treat it the same way i treat EVERYTHING else. I don't take it seriously. With **** tests they're usually trying to see their boundaries with you, how far you can be pushed. By showing them you can't be affected by them, it ups attraction IMO.

What will I do when I call her? interesting. I'll probably call, ask for her real name, then call her by her nickname. I'll fluff for 1-3 minutes about stuff we talked about before, like the tea, the band she was going to go see, and maybe her job. Then i'll push for a meet.

Rhino

 

[Craig Reeves]

Hm. Interesting.

OK, I think I see the point that you're trying to make. However, I don't agree with the fact that you have a right to judge and say what every one of the people are doing on this forum. We need to remember that we do not know of the lives of the people on this forum so we don't need to diss and pass judgement on them.

I think you have some fairly valid points but the truth is is that INNER game is far more important than OUTER game. Now I'm not saying that OUTER game isn't important, because it really is. However, your OUTER game is only as strong as your INNER game.

Usually, if your OUTER game is weak, it's almost always because of your INNER game.

 

[omizzi]

wow big deal, so write a book about it

 

[[look]aRhino]

Omizzi

I honestly shouldn't even dignify this with a response, however, I cannot resist.

Everyone take note of Omizzi's response. Clearly he thinks the idea of social skills and outer game is irrelevant. He doesn't actually offer any input, but instead tries to AMOG to up his social value.

This is a bad example of a tooling attempt. A little snarky comment to try to put me in my place, and all he does is expose how little he knows about anything.

In the future Omizzi, when trying to tool someone else, try being intelligent and maybe actually talking about content, otherwise you're in (very large) risk of just tooling yourself.


Craig Reeves

I'm not talking about EVERYONE on the forum, just the vast majority of them. There are clearly some people who know what they're doing and have life sorted out.

In terms of which game is more important, it really depends on your goals.

If your goal is to lead a happy, content and fulfilling life, and you can be happy and content and fulfilled without have any success with women, then all you need is inner game, you don't need any outer game.

If your goal is to lead a happy, content and fulfilling life where others look up to you and you are a well-respected individual, whos presence and advice are sought-after and whos leadership offers comfort to those around you, you're going to need inner game AND outer game.

Outer game is defined loosely as your ability to socially interact with others. More specifically, it is often used to apply to your ability to interact with people of the female persuasion.

Also, a note from personal experience. My inner game would have been impossible to develop if not for my outer game. Outer game has been the difference between telling myself i'm awesome and TRULY BELIEVING that i'm awesome. Anyone can tell the difference between the two types, especially women. If you try to develop your inner game without actually having any corroborating evidence in your real life that your inner game is true then I'd suggest you'll never truly believe it and you'll become the first type.

 

[[look]aRhino]

bump.

Does nobody else actually practice what they preach and go out there and talk to girls?

Rhino

 

[Caldus]

Originally posted by [look]aRhino
bump.

Does nobody else actually practice what they preach and go out there and talk to girls?

Rhino

Not many. I don't. I wish I wasn't so shy otherwise I would.

 

[[look]aRhino]

Originally posted by Caldus
Not many. I don't. I wish I wasn't so shy otherwise I would.

Yah? How old are you?

Do you have male friends?

 

[Caldus]

Originally posted by [look]aRhino
Yah? How old are you?

Do you have male friends?

I'm 20. And damn if I ever had friends in real life. I don't even know how I'm not a virgin. I've only had sex once. Pathetic isn't it? Shyness is a ***** especially if you're a guy.

Shyness = No social status = No girls.

 

[[look]aRhino]

Originally posted by Caldus
I'm 20. And damn if I ever had friends in real life. I don't even know how I'm not a virgin. I've only had sex once. Pathetic isn't it? Shyness is a ***** especially if you're a guy.

Shyness = No social status = No girls.

You in school? University/college?

My tips: Join clubs, and student bodies. They give you an excuse to talk to girls.

Join a dance club, like salsa. Its fun to dance with girls especially if theres set steps so you don't feel weird.

Take baby steps man. Talk to guys first. A couple of days later start talking to girls.

Don't know what to talk about? Watch a couple of movies and read the newspaper. BAM, you've got a ton of things to talk about.

Don't try to get the girls numbers yet. Just talk to EVERYONE.

Also, start working out. You'll thank me in a couple of months if you start that. does wonders for inner game.

 

[Caldus]

I've tried a lot of this stuff actually. Eventually got to go to a few parties here and there but realized quick that I was hanging with the wrong people so I stopped hanging out with them.

To be honest I'm just pissed about it right now and don't care to do anything else about it at the moment. I suck at forming relationships with people b/c I relate to hardly any people around here.

Plus my college is full of dumb broads who think it's fine to drink and drive once in a while.

 

[[look]aRhino]

Originally posted by Caldus
don't care to do anything else about it at the moment. I suck at forming relationships with people

Wow. No wonder you're having such problems dude. You need to work on your inner game. Frame everything positively.

Do you want to handle this area of your life or not?

Originally posted by Caldus
Plus my college is full of dumb broads who think it's fine to drink and drive once in a while. [/B]

You'd be surprised how many people think this is ok. They'll eventually realize thats wrong. Most of them will realize this before any accidents as well.

Just forgive them their errors. Try not to judge too much.

Rhino

 

[Metalixia]

inner game teachings of Pook? What is this it sounds interesting. I tried a Yahoo searchm, but no luck!

 

[Tao walker 2005]

Caldus, this may sound like airy-fairy new age Bullsh1t, but I have had success in gaining confidence with flower essences.

Over here we can get Australian bush flower essences, and there is one blend called "confidessence". It uses the principles of homeopathy to effect your mind on an emotional/mental level. In the US u probably dont have this particular type, but if u investigated Bach flower essences, or saw a homeopath, you might find something similar. It seems to be a potent treatment for phyco-emotional problems.