Optimum Nutrition Whey really contains 3.5g of Glutamine per scoop?

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I just got my first 20 lbs of ON whey, before that I was taking cheap whey from allthewhey.com.

From the side of the bag it states 3.5 G of Glutamine per scoop, I was wondering is that true ? if so, is that a good thing?? ( I do take glutamine normally, 3.5 g x 6-8 scoops per day is a quite big number.)

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glutamine isnt worth the hype. Soy protein is extremely high in glutamine, btw.


edit - Optimum Nutrition is a great brand for whey though.
 

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Originally posted by Milhouse Van Houten
I just got my first 20 lbs of ON whey, before that I was taking cheap whey from allthewhey.com.

From the side of the bag it states 3.5 G of Glutamine per scoop, I was wondering is that true ? if so, is that a good thing?? ( I do take glutamine normally, 3.5 g x 6-8 scoops per day is a quite big number.)

thank you.
i was wondering this too
 

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Glutamine is useless, don't waste your money on it.
 

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Originally posted by Rico S
Glutamine is useless, don't waste your money on it.
It makes me laugh when these new guys come on here, answer every fvcking post and make ridiculous blanket statements like the above without backing it up.
 

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Originally posted by Templeton
It makes me laugh when these new guys come on here, answer every fvcking post and make ridiculous blanket statements like the above without backing it up.
Rico S is correct, however.
 

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Originally posted by California Love
Rico S is correct, however.
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Originally posted by Templeton
It makes me laugh when these new guys come on here, answer every fvcking post and make ridiculous blanket statements like the above without backing it up.
It makes me laugh when you bash me for no reason. I answer the posts I knew the answers to so I could help.
 

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Here we go.

It now appears that glutamine has no positive effects on immune system in healthy adults.

Also, glutamine is certainly not a anabolic:

Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9. Related Articles, Links

Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults.

Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T.

College of Kinesiology, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada.

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.
 

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One more about how glutamine doesn't affect muscle building/fat loss.

Glutamine

Here are the reasons to take glutamine.

1) Immune support. Supplemental use of glutamine, either in oral, enteral, or parenteral form, increases intestinal villous height, stimulates gut mucosal cellular proliferation, and maintains mucosal integrity. It also prevents intestinal hyperpermeability and bacterial translocation, which may be involved in sepsis and the development of multiple organ failure. One study reported that athletes reported fewer incedences of upper respiratory tract infections while supplementing with glutamine (2 grams) after they ran.

2) Gastrointestinal support. 70-80% of orally administered glutamine is absorbed into the cells of your GI tract. It remains there and is metabolised by those cells without ever reaching the blood stream (image). In sicknesses such as sepsis it has been shown to help improve survival because of improved GI tract function.



Thats pretty much it.

There is no real benefit for someone looking to build bigger muscles. That 10% of dietary glutamine that gets past the GI tract is taken up by the liver where it is converted into sugar (gluconeogenesis) and stored as glycogen in the liver.

Don't let in-vitro research fool you into thinking oral glutamine will have an effect on a healthy individuals muscle mass. Yes, glutamine does regulate protein synthesis to a certain extent under some situations. However, you can't make it happen by taking it orally. Don't let ads with some pro-bodybuilder holding a bottle of glutamine fool you. Even if that pro-bodybuilder is taking it...it isn't doing anything for him either.

Here are a couple good "in-vivo" research studies to start with:

1. Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, Burke DG, Davison KS, Smith-Palmer T. Effect of glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. Eur J Appl Physiol. 2001 Dec;86(2):142-9.

2. Antonio J, Sanders MS, Kalman D, Woodgate D, Street C. The effects of high-dose glutamine ingestion on weightlifting performance. J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Feb;16(1):157-60.

Keep in mind that if you are eating protein powders, especially any thing with whey in it, you are getting plenty of glutamine. The question of glutamines worth in the newsletter centered on its effect on building mass and/or strength, not anything to do with the gastrointestinal track.

In short, only 47-50% of orally administered glutamine can be expected to make it past the liver and other organs, into the blood stream. And only about 10% can be expected to reach extracellular spaces.[Bowtell JL, Gelly K, Jackman ML, Patel A, Simeoni M, Rennie MJ. Effect of oral glutamine on whole body carbohydrate storage during recovery from exhaustive exercise. Journal of Applied Physiology. 1999 Jun;86(6):1770-7] Now, this is the main argument against glutamine. 90% of the glutamine you take orally never even makes it to your muscles. This isn't to say it is wasted. Your GI tract loves glutamine from reasons explained earlier. If you are having intestinal problems nothing is better. If you are trying to increase protein synthesis by loading glutamine, it isn't going to work.




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Originally posted by Milhouse Van Houten
are those glutamine came with whey as good as L-glutamine?
They are the same thing.
 

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Now that wasn't so hard was it?

Personally I have read studies that both support and attack the use of glutamine. I also would not ignore anecdotal results. I have benefitted greatly from glutamine with increased lean mass when nothing else changed in my regime.

And no, I won't go to the trouble of producing anything today, that can wait until I return home. I'm having too much fun in the Australian sun and checking all the HBs at the beach to stay on here for more than a few minutes. Hehe!
 
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