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Optimal pre/inter/post workout nutrition

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Ok, I thought I would post on this since it might be one of the more important topics but I see it is rarely discussed. Nutrient timing is more important than most people realize when trying to build muscle and/or lose fat.

Pre-workout:

One hour prior to workout take in 10g of BCAA and 10-20g of whey protein. Preferrably in a fasted state or at least a few hours after your last meal. Studies show this tremendously boosts protein synthesis post workout. New research, however, says that EAA's actually are more beneficial than BCAA's and that 5g of EAA's preworkout can boost protein synthesis up to 600%. There is a big difference between initiating protein synthesis and completing it...that is where EAA's come in. They are also cheaper than BCAA's to boot. Do not take in any fat or carbs immediately prior to working out. This will have a negative effect on both growth hormone and testosterone release. Fats should not be eaten within 3-4 hours of a workout to avoid potential for storage as insulin levels are increased since they take longer to be digested.

Intra-workout:

Conflicting studies on this. On the one hand, sipping on a fast digested carb such as amylopectin during the workout has been shown to significantly reduce cortisol levels post workout versus water, but other studies show it hurts growth hormobe and testosterone release because the body is insulin resistant temporarily during this time. So either 30-40g of a fast digesting carb such as Dymatize Flud, Kwik Karb, Karbolyn or Vitargo, or what I prefee, 28oz of water with 4 oz of lemon juice, which helps alkalize the body during a time when iy is turning very acidic. Muscles do not contract properly in an acidic environment so the more you can alkalize the body the better.

Post-Workout

Perhaps the most important time. Studies continue to show that 10g of BCAA's and 40-60g of whey protein ONE HOUR AFTER finishing a workout is more beneficial for muscle growth than taking it immediately post workout. During that time the body is resistant to insulin temporarily and is not absorbing nutrients as well as it does if you wait an hour. NO CARBS should be taken with this. Insulin sensitivity is the key for protein synthesis NOT the preaence of insulin. This also explains why people who take carbs directly post workout are having issuea losing fat. The fatty acids floating around in the body need to be utilized for energy but instead get redeposited as fat.

Another hour after this, should be the majority of yout carbs for the day, in as close to a 1:1 ratio of carbs and protein as you can get. This is when your body will utilize carbs the best to store it properly as glycogen in the muscle and continue the protein synthesis thay you started pre workout. In fact, carbs should ALWAYS be eaten post workout, with protein and protein/fat eaten pre-workout(at least for those training at night). Do not ever eat carbs and fat together unless you want to store it as fat.

That's it for now, will add more and some links when I get home.
 

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Interesting article but a little confusing for me. I understand nutrition is important but, does it all really have to be so scientific? I mean if you look back at someone like Mark Atlas in the 20's and 30's or Steve Reeves in the 50's and 60's.. They all had great bodys but, 50 - 60 years ago I bet none of them knew how much we know today, yet they still had muscular bodies.

For me I eat breakfest, lunch and dinner with small snacks in between or protein shakes. I've only been training for around 4 and a half months though so I'm still a beginner. I always wait to to train at least 1 hour after eating and after training, wait atleast an hour before eating. I dont count carbs or anything I just eat what I want (healthy food choice) and I can see I'm making gains in the mirror and my measurements. Maybe my results would improve if I was more.. strategic but, so far what I'm doing is working.
 

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Krueg said:
Interesting article but a little confusing for me. I understand nutrition is important but, does it all really have to be so scientific? I mean if you look back at someone like Mark Atlas in the 20's and 30's or Steve Reeves in the 50's and 60's.. They all had great bodys but, 50 - 60 years ago I bet none of them knew how much we know today, yet they still had muscular bodies.

For me I eat breakfest, lunch and dinner with small snacks in between or protein shakes. I've only been training for around 4 and a half months though so I'm still a beginner. I always wait to to train at least 1 hour after eating and after training, wait atleast an hour before eating. I dont count carbs or anything I just eat what I want (healthy food choice) and I can see I'm making gains in the mirror and my measurements. Maybe my results would improve if I was more.. strategic but, so far what I'm doing is working.
Krug, you make valid points, and as far as the people you mention, this would help a little but since they are pure mesomorphs, they could pretty much do anything and look like that. I wish I had their genes.

Obviously you are going to get results from working out pretty much regardless of what you do, at least at first. However, I am not just interested in getting "a" result. I am interested in getting the "best" result for my considerable efforts, which is why I used the word "optimal". In my way of viewing things, I wouldn't accept half my paycheck for the work I perform at my job, so why would I accept half the results from my work at the gym...

You my friend are getting ready to hit the begginer's wall that happens after about 6 months where progress seems to stop. If you want it to continue, you need to start maximizing everything because those easy gains are gonna be gone pretty soon.

At the end of the day I'd rather get to where I want to be in 4 or 5 months instead of a year wouldn't you?
 

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marmel,

I dont know if the forum was down for everybody or just me. Anyways thanks for replying. You brought up some good points I will keep in mind.
 
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You seem to be very knowledgeable about diet, marmel. Where do you get your information?
 

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TyTe`EyEz said:
You seem to be very knowledgeable about diet, marmel. Where do you get your information?
I read a lot of studies, especially on ergo-log.com and get information from Ori Hoffmekler(warrior diet), john romaniello, ben pakulski and talk to Rob Regish(the blueprint and regular guest on super human radio) at least a few times a week. He might be the most knowledgable storehouse of information regarding training, diet, suplements and how things work inside the body I have ever met...my mother was also in medical research for 30+ years, so I pick her brain a lot on topics of interest...
 
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